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Last vote didn't explain properly thanks to events,leading to confusion, so the answer's pretty much to finish explaining rather than dance around it for several more votes. There's no need to stall when the point of this conversation is to fill her in.
 
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We're not rushing too much. No problem with overreaching a bit and just dealing with an interrupt if it comes up. We want to make sure we get around to everything. If we get interrupted, we get interrupted and we go from there. No reason to make an overly short vote just on the suspicion we'll get interrupted and have to make another vote on how to proceed. I'd rather not accidentally leave her with incomplete information; nothing's more dangerous than incomplete information.
 
Well, we are on a bit of a schedule, what with preparing dinner for Nagisa. Speaking of such, any plans on what else we're doing with her? Maybe a movie by Studio Ghibli or Disney? Or something by this universe's much kinder version of the Urobutcher?
 
@ultima333:

Lets see....

Speculation for not a witch:
  • Uses magic So do witches
  • Looks human Numerous witches do
  • Doesn't normally feel witchy...
  • Doesn't speak in non-japanese language We perceive everything in english yet have no trouble communicating with japanese
  • Doesn't eat humans
    • Weak evidence, see Kyoko and Kazusa
  • Is not insane (though some might argue that given how lot of meguca go insane knowing what we know we're the insane one)

Speculation for is witch:
  • MadoWish theory makes us a manifest of hope. But we didn't start out MG.
  1. Where does Kriemhild's grief go?
  2. We're something like Kazusa, who also didn't feel witchy.
  • Uses grief-based attacks, weaponry.
    • Those feel like witch.
  • Draw grief from soul gems.
  • Convinces meguca to follow her.So can't Mami.
Conclusion: It is likely Gott is Tot!
 
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Onmur said:
So, do 'definitely' votes counts double as the other two non-neutral votes?
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I actually made a spreadsheet.



The Average Value is the general feeling, so 4.5 would be hovering between "Probably a witch" and "Definitely a witch".

Funny enough, as of the 25th vote, only 28% of voters are sure that Sabrina isn't a witch.
So 72% of us believe it's possible.
 
Gadjo said:
I don't remember him saying he couldn't figure out how much she had, but I do remember him saying that the amount of potential she had shouldn't have been theoretically possible. That's some serious power to throw around.
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I was watching some of Kyuubey's quotes (partly from the second/third episode when he was talking to the girls at Mami's apartment and later with Madoka in her room, and partly from the last episode), and this is what he said:
Kyuubey said:
I can grant you girls a single wish, no matter what it is! Anything would be fine. I can make any kind of miracle happen for you... I am not allowed to rush you from my position. Giving advice is also a violation of the rules... Madoka, if you became a magical girl, you'd be far stronger than Mami. Of course, it's also based on what kind of wish you make when contracting. But Madoka, measuring the size of the Soul Gem you might produce is impossible, even for me. This is my first time meeting a girl that holds such a natural gift... the fates of numerous worlds are bundled together. For you, the singular point of their karma, no matter what kind of ridiculous wish you have, I believe it can be granted.
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Although I guess, technically, he said that it would be impossible to measure the Soul Gem that she might produce rather than that he can't measure her potential. But my main point (i.e. that we can't rely on Kyuubey and we should at some point make a device to measure potential) stands regardless.

I vote for Optimistic!Urobutcher.

And regarding Madokami: I just noticed the following quote from the first chapter:
Firnagzen said:
Madoka reaches forward with a handkerchief to wipe your face. Glancing at her, you can nearly see the golden eyes framed with flowing pink hair... You blink when Kyubey replies, and the image is gone.
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boonerunner said:
Although I guess, technically, he said that it would be impossible to measure the Soul Gem that she might produce rather than that he can't measure her potential. But my main point (i.e. that we can't rely on Kyuubey and we should at some point make a device to measure potential) stands regardless.
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Eh. The potential reader device could be useful, but what I was saying was that Kyubey wasn't doing it on bad data. He was doing it because the only measurement of her power he could get was "too god damned much to pass up". I assumed the power she generated was so high it was worth the destruction of Earth.
 
boonerunner said:
And regarding Madokami: I just noticed the following quote from the first chapter:
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That's one of the main reasons for the Madowish=Sabrina theory, the other being:
"I, ah," your eyes dart between Mami and Homura as you take a slow step forward to interpose yourself between them. Behind Mami, Madoka slowly wilts in on herself, now just clutching her hands to her chest. She's staring at you, hoping you'll be able to resolve this entire situation. Why?
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'Lement said:
That makes us a familiar and thus a witch.
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One of Kriemhild Gretchen's familiar's repurposed by Madokami to carry out her will? That could work.

Gadjo said:
Eh. The potential reader device could be useful, but what I was saying was that Kyubey wasn't doing it on bad data. He was doing it because the only measurement of her power he could get was "too god damned much to pass up". I assumed the power she generated was so high it was worth the destruction of Earth.
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The problem is that Kyuubey's measuring device essentially returned a "too high to measure" error and he interpreted it to mean "more than the sum of all future witches and contributions of humanity". What he should have done was to get better measuring equipment, rather than to make the crazy risky assumption that Kriemhild Gretchen's value was higher. Or what if he made a measuring mistake in the other direction. What if Kriemhild Gretchen were large enough not only to destroy the Earth but to destroy the whole Galaxy or the whole Universe? His measuring equipment was unable (by his own admission) to detect that risk. And, as it turns out, Madoka's wish actually was powerful enough to rewrite the underlying laws of the Universe. She chose not to use that power to destroy the Universe, but she had the capacity to do so. All because Kyuubey ignored an equipment failure. Idiot.
 
We saw ourselves magicless, and we contracted normally. We have no witch barrier, and generate soul-gem grief normally...and, you know, we know for a fact that we have a witch called Dedolere.
Ergo, we aren't a witch.
 
o3o said:
We saw ourselves magicless, and we contracted normally. We have no witch barrier, and generate soul-gem grief normally...and, you know, we know for a fact that we have a witch called Dedolere.
Ergo, we aren't a witch.
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We could be a familiar of Kriemhild Gretchen who was dewitchified and then sent back in time by Madokami. That would explain our witchiness and why we don't have a memory and also why we are still (mostly) human.

We'll have to test the idea further when we dewitchify a familiar in the future.
 
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boonerunner said:
The problem is that Kyuubey's measuring device essentially returned a "too high to measure" error and he interpreted it to mean "more than the sum of all future witches and contributions of humanity". What he should have done was to get better measuring equipment, rather than to make the crazy risky assumption that Kriemhild Gretchen's value was higher.
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You're assuming that some value less than or equal to the sum of all future witches and contributions of humanity would be too high to measure. Since the bit you quoted shows that it can tell that her potential is worth "the fates of numerous worlds" rather than, say, "at least half a world", your assumption seems very poorly founded.
 
@Gadjo

--[X] Of course, that's why it's important you know the whole of this rotten system -- Kyubey likes to get his contracts however he can, and the best way to keep from falling prey is knowing what he's really up to with 'em. Remember how I said he tried to get Madoka to contract? Well, he did that even though me making a contract with him would have saved my life anyways -- and as a matter of fact, it did.
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I would prefer safer wording on this line. It sounds like we're encouraging these girls to learn even more about the system. This draws closer to the witchbomb than I'm comfortable with.
 
boonerunner said:
What he should have done was to get better measuring equipment, rather than to make the crazy risky assumption that Kriemhild Gretchen's value was higher.
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Why wouldn't he be using the best measuring equipment he could in the first place?

Ugolino said:
We're an amnesiac incubator sent back in time to stop the creation of Homulucifer. :V

What?
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Given that we definitely have emotions, we really are brain damaged and insane!
 
[X] Well, at the core of things it's because we're their friends -- your friends, too, if you'll let us.
-[X] I can't speak for Mami and Homura, but Madoka and Sayaka found me dying -- not as a magical girl, but just a girl. I was in a pretty bad way, I won't gross you out with the details, but despite that they stayed with me and tried to help me. Hell, when Kyubey tried to get Madoka to contract to save my life, for a moment there I was worried she'd actually do it. Since then, after I contracted, they've been the best friends a girl could ask for, and it's meant a lot to me.
--[X] Of course, that's why it's important to know the whole of this rotten system -- Kyubey likes to get his contracts however he can, and the best way to keep from falling prey is knowing what he's really up to with 'em. Remember how I said he tried to get Madoka to contract? Well, he did that even though me making a contract with him would have saved my life anyways -- and as a matter of fact, it did.
---[X] So, we want you guys to at least be aware of what's up with it all, because we care about you guys; you're our friends, and that's absolutely nothing to do with all the magic in the world.
----[X] Beyond that, though, another reason we wanted to tell you about all this is that, well . . . there are at least a few perks to being a magical girl, even if they're kinda outweighed by the, well -- *rub Soul Gem noticeably* -- but one of them's healing. Part of why we wanted to let you know is that we were thinking of possibly trying to heal you, maybe Kyousuke too, with your permission.

I like this vote most of all.

Also Sabrina is a witch, we now must make stereotypical witch clothing out of grief
 
@Firnagzen Can we get an exact wording on Madoka's wish last loop? We need to know whether she simply wished for 'everything to be fixed' or wished for someone to come and fix everything.
 
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