A thought- we never did tell Kyouko that we resolved the Oriko situation.
 
Again, why would we do this? She would know that we were creating witches for her to kill, which is just charity with busywork thrown in. It's no better than just handing her seeds.
Why would we leave the witch for her to kill? Familiar farming is a good way for us to get seeds to hand to people even when the people we're handing the seeds to aren't Kyoko.

Also, it's a transaction that she'll see the utility of, rather than just wasting her time updating her on events in someone else's territory.
 
Why would we leave the witch for her to kill? Familiar farming is a good way for us to get seeds to hand to people even when the people we're handing the seeds to aren't Kyoko.

Also, it's a transaction that she'll see the utility of, rather than just wasting her time updating her on events in someone else's territory.
Either way, it's something that can happen AFTER the initial meeting.
 
Why would we leave the witch for her to kill? Familiar farming is a good way for us to get seeds to hand to people even when the people we're handing the seeds to aren't Kyoko.

Also, it's a transaction that she'll see the utility of, rather than just wasting her time updating her on events in someone else's territory.
I don't think she'll be on board for a science experiment while we're hanging around there. Also, I don't think feeding familiars grief will create witches. I think human souls are the necessary component, which we are not willing to provide them with.
 
Either way, it's something that can happen AFTER the initial meeting.
Well, yeah. It's definitely something to close the meeting with.
I don't think she'll be on board for a science experiment while we're hanging around there. Also, I don't think feeding familiars grief will create witches. I think human souls are the necessary component, which we are not willing to provide them with.
If it doesn't work then it doesn't work. Why would how you think familiars work mean we shouldn't check?
 
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1 may be irrelevent with magic in the picture. Perfect reversibility may, in fact be possible. 2 is solid. For 3 we can know success/failure because in the matter of success we've grown a new body and in failure we haven't. 4 and 5 are values judgements. They are entirely based on morals, not science. They presuppose a huge amount of prior information which works fine in an academic environment but simply does not exist for magic. For 6 we have a model: If a new body is made and a magical girl from her stone collection is able to take control of it, then success. If not, then failure. We really don't need a more complicated model unless it gives better results. 7 implies that we would create a model then not test its validity.

Now can we please not do this? I've already said I'll stay within your moral framework even though I disagree with it.

You misunderstand, but w/e. It's not as if anyone except me cares about the process with which this stuff is investigated.
 
Alright, that's 3 against. I'll take that as being outvoted. Matter settled, plan dead.

Back to SCIENCE!
Actually having code words is probably not necessary. But having a telepathy time-stop emergency response plan in order to deal with unexpected catastrophic events is wise. Now isn't necessarily the time to make the plan, but the next time we do something that might be dangerous or which might invite retaliation from other meguca? We should bring up the plan so that Madoka and Sayaka (and potentially Nagisa) are protected. Since it protects Madoka, we know that Homura will approve of this plan. We can even extend the plan to cover other allies as the need arises. This is the type of thing that would make Kyoko more inclined to ally with us so that Yuma is protected.

The addition of Oriko would extend the range of catastrophes that such a plan could deal with, but that would also involve additional risk and Homura would not be inclined to support it.

Again, why would we do this? She would know that we were creating witches for her to kill, which is just charity with busywork thrown in. It's no better than just handing her seeds.
This would not be about charity but rather about the opportunity to perform SCIENCE! on familiars (and to prevent those familiars from eating humans). The experiment is probably not something we want to do until we have Homura and Mami around, but it wouldn't hurt to bring up the possibility to Kyouko to let her know that it is an experiment that we want to do in the future (though this afternoon would probably be fine if Kyouko does know about a familiar that we could use).

If the glass witch does exist, then we should go ask Kyouko if she wants to hunting it with us. It's safer to hunt with two people even if you are strong. If Kyouko feels like she owes us for the cleansing, then we can take the grief seed, otherwise we can let her have it.

It's important to get Kyouko to stop thinking about meguca and witches in terms of "territory" and "resources".
 
@Gadjo
Can't hurt to ask,and offer to leave her the Seed if it works.

I'm seriously thinking that we may want to Lichbomb her. We know she takes it relatively well, though Yuma being there might be an issue for that.

@boonerunner
But...the glass witch is in Mitakihara. That'd be a problem.
 
Hmmm ... We know that we can send words and impressions of emotions over telepathy. It would be useful if we could send other stuff like non-verbal sound and pictures over as well. We should find out if that's possible.
 
I'm seriously thinking that we may want to Lichbomb her. We know she takes it relatively well, though Yuma being there might be an issue for that.
True. This is information she should have, and it doesn't break her at any point in canon.
If the glass witch does exist, then we should go ask Kyouko if she wants to hunting it with us. It's safer to hunt with two people even if you are strong. If Kyouko feels like she owes us for the cleansing, then we can take the grief seed, otherwise we can let her have it.

It's important to get Kyouko to stop thinking about meguca and witches in terms of "territory" and "resources".
if we could get her to agree to that. She still associates us with Mami, who she avoids whenever possible. Let's call that a stretch goal. If she reacts really well and she starts actually acting somewhat friendly towards us, we'll ask her to go hunting with us.
 
Update her on everything. She still doesn't even know about Oriko.

[x]Investigate the glass Witch based on what little you have to go on.
[x]If you find a Witch, just kill it. You have other priorities today and don't want to break your word to Mami this soon.
[x]Ping Masami and Oriko.
[x]Go to Kasamino at top speed, and ping Kyouko once you're on the outskirts. Ask her where she wants to meet up.
[x]Be civil. Update her on recent events. Everything from what happened with Oriko, to the way things ended in Sendai, and offer a cleanse. Hold off on Masami and the lichbomb for the moment. Ask her how things are.

What are you pinging Masami and Oriko about? I think I missed something.
 
Assuming we d/c their Souls, we should still use their body as a base for making new ones or at least as a comparison to see if normal bodies are different than meguca ones.

It'd be annoying to raid a morgue only to find out normal corpses don't work.

Although, sneaking into a morgue to return a body we can't use is kind of darkly hilarious.
 
@Ugolino I think we should focus either on Kyoko or the witch in the morning and then go after the other one in the afternoon so as to ensure we have enough time to take care of both properly. Also, so far as lichbombing Kyoko, I say we pull her aside to tell her or use telepathy so as to ensure we don't tell Yuma. Kyoko gets to decide when to tell Yuma, if at all.
Didn't Yuma handle the witchbomb perfectly in Oriko Magica? The lichbomb is like a thousand times less bad.
True, but It's more so that we don't piss off Kyoko.
 
Gadjo, we can just stomp the Witch if we're not holding back (Griefblender, the works...) and talk to Kyouko. I don't want to delay much. Get the Witch out of the way fast, superspeed over, and diplomacy the Kyouko.

And we'd talk to her alone when we lichbomb her, yeah.
 
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