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SaltyWaffles said:
I advocated for that. Pointed out all the risks of not doing that. And I don't think I was the only one, either.

I got shouted down for proposing something unnecessarily brutal, violent, and aggressive. Guess what happened?

Things went predictably wrong, violence escalated horribly, Oriko got her head and limbs blown off, Kirika was beaten to a bloody pulp, Mami and Sabrina had an arm badly broken, and Homura's shield got temporarily fried. All because an instantaneous severing of a hand (that could be easily healed later) was deemed too violent and aggressive. Then there was the whole Sendai battle, where I was called some very nasty things for proposing a clean, efficient, and safe strategy of soul-gem-grabbing all of the hostile meguca from the safety of an air-mobile, armored grief fortress, using our grief senses and visual confirmation to track them down as needed. Instead, they politely sat around and waited for Akiko to bring in reinforcements, set up an nice ambush, and spring it effectively. As a result, people died, a fair chunk of the city was destroyed/damaged, shit tons of injuries were had on all sides, and Sabrina ended up pulling soul gems from a mobile grief platform anyway.

And keep in mind, I was one of the people who advocated against snatching Sakura's soul gem when she was panic-teleporting away from Mitakihara with Rin (instead letting Akiko talk some reason into Sakura and return on their own). So it's not like I'm always opting for the violent or aggressive approach, either.

Okay, sorry for ranting. It's just that if I don't take the opportunity to point this out when it does come up, no one will ever learn from it--after all, no one did before, after the previous instances. I'm not thinking of anyone in particular, and I don't mean for this to come across as heated, either. I'm just hoping that the clear lessons of history are actually learned this time around so we can all avoid future unnecessary messes.
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Waffles, I'm going to be perfectly frank with you. You see this thing here? This is why no one listens to you. Verbosity aside, you constantly act as though everyone who doesn't see things your way is somehow retarded, that they must be lectured and talked down to until they are brought over to your way of thinking. And when that fails and something bad happens your next post will be to rub everyone's faces in it, and if people would only listen to you instead things would be so much better.

Turns out, acting smug like this is not a good way to endear anyone to you, and when people don't like you they'll go out of their way to find reasons to dismiss your points, even if doing so requires them to practically invent new reasons not to do as you suggest. Seriously, I've seen how you advocating for something actively causes people to turn against it, even if they are previously amendable to the idea before, and that isn't even considering the people who automatically go against you on reflex at this point.

And frankly, if all you are going to do in this thread is contribute mountains of salt, then it's best if you do as you proclaimed and stay out of it.
 
Random thought.
Rumors about magical girl that can degrief should spread out by now. I wonder how long before we eventually meet stranger puella magi in mitakihara.
 
Cannongerbil said:
Waffles, I'm going to be perfectly frank with you. You see this thing here? This is why no one listens to you. Verbosity aside, you constantly act as though everyone who doesn't see things your way is somehow retarded, that they must be lectured and talked down to until they are brought over to your way of thinking. And when that fails and something bad happens your next post will be to rub everyone's faces in it, and if people would only listen to you instead things would be so much better.

Turns out, acting smug like this is not a good way to endear anyone to you, and when people don't like you they'll go out of their way to find reasons to dismiss your points, even if doing so requires them to practically invent new reasons not to do as you suggest. Seriously, I've seen how you advocating for something actively causes people to turn against it, even if they are previously amendable to the idea before, and that isn't even considering the people who automatically go against you on reflex at this point.

And frankly, if all you are going to do in this thread is contribute mountains of salt, then it's best if you do as you proclaimed and stay out of it.
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Gerbil, please don't sprinkle more salt on the pile. Salt is bad for the heart and makes Firn cry.

theauthor said:
Random thought.
Rumors about magical girl that can degrief should spread out by now. I wonder how long before we eventually meet stranger puella magi in mitakihara.
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Luca Souju slowly lowered her copy of The Meguca Times, as a grin spread across her face.
"Sister, are you thinking what I'm thinking?"
"Of course I am, dumbass."
 
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@Kinematics: Not Empire. Kingdom.
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
that fight
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Don't forget Homura and Mami, two veterans, were involved - we do not make all the decisions.

All the same, it does showcase how timestop isn't always "I win" button, which was my intention. It is not likely we will find all our other opponents in timestop, for example...Assuming the other opponent isn't Oriko/ShadowRun.

And even then, unexpected things can happen.
theauthor said:
No moar clingy mumi please. :(
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Welcome, Mami (fatigue), to the esteemed company of Akiko and timestop.

I agree that it gets repetitive but best way to avoid that at this point is to have long, short time updates by doing stuff like socia...Hey Kyouko! Have somefreestuffforpassing, totallynotavoidingMami *tackled by UG girl*.

I mean, not without breaking a promise to her or magic. And if thought healing wand was bad, imagine Amulet of Sanity leaving our range (but even if it works perfectly, conditioning).

Thought it is not like SV is terribly neutral on mental influencing anway, what's with the shipping and bombs both - but even a dark path wouldn't really help here.
 
I think we should set up a defensive system. We expect to be under attack soon, and as a team we have weak points. They're named Madoka and Sayaka. We should tell them that if they're ever in danger they should telepathy us all a code word. With proper use of time stop we should be able to get our entire team to any threatened member within just a few seconds. It would go something like this:

Sayaka: Code Blueberry, I'm at home

Sabrina: I'm on 31st street

Mami: I'm at the apartment

Homura initiates timestop, collects Sabrina and Mami. They all find Sayaka and are ready to defend her from the threat/provide healing/timestop gank enemy.

In the few seconds that pass it's unlikely Sayaka would get hurt enough to be beyond magical healing. This way we can respond with full force to an attack on any member of our group allowing an instant, crushing defence. It would also be useful if any of our magical girls were under attack while alone. Instant reinforcements ahoy! There are very, very few threats that this strategy wouldn't help against.

Homura would be all for anything that keeps Madoka safe, Mami would probably agree out of pragmatism. She knows how it goes when magical girls attack. We should get this done today. Lunchtime on the rooftop would be a good time to bring it up if people want to do it face to face, though there's nothing stopping us from doing it right now or just asking on the walk to school.
 
...Or they can just call for help through telepathy. I don't see what giving everyone codewords accomplishes other than put everyone into a state of paranoia and add needless complexity.
 
Krecart said:
Eh, Wally's going to be tough, but we can beat her.

With Mami and Momura with us, she'd have to literally run off of narrativium to have a serious chance at beating us. This is assuming that we never get around to asking for help when Wally shows up. I doubt Masami and Hiroko will bail. They live here too.

Honestly, the hard part is going to be keeping the city intact if we don't just stop time for the entire fight.
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The funny thing is Wally might ACTUALLY work on narrativium.

Re: The Twins, we all know I'm super messiah paragon mode save/diplomacy all the megucas, and we need to learn more about the Soujous. However, if they ARE totally bonkers sociopaths who are nothing but poison, can we atleast like...

Do totally unethical experiments on them? For SCIENCE? I mean it'd feel like a waste to just gemsplode when we can do tests on things we can't otherwise work on, and THEN Gemsplode when we're done.

I don't know.
 
At this rate, whenever Sabrina's thought processes are angry she'll think about kittens. That'll be an interesting feedback loop.
 
Cannongerbil said:
...Or they can just call for help through telepathy. I don't see what giving everyone codewords accomplishes other than put everyone into a state of paranoia and add needless complexity.
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Speeds up response times. Cuts out about half a minute of worth of

"Oh fuck, oh fuck there's this girl and holy shit did she just punch a building over!?"

"Where are you Sayaka?"

"Fucking magical girls and I oh god I can see his spine!"

"Sayaka! Where are you?!"

"Where am... I'm at the school."

"Homura I need you to time stop and pick me and Mami up"

Normal people generally do stupid things in emergencies unless they've been warned beforehand. Half a minute doesn't seem like much, but it's enough for our allies to get killed and/or snatched. It's also enough for plenty of civilians to die.
 
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Jackercracks said:
Speeds up response times. Cuts out about half a minute of worth of

"Oh fuck, oh fuck there's this girl and holy shit did she just punch a building over!?"

"Where are you Sayaka?"

"Fucking magical girls and I oh god I can see his spine!"

"Sayaka! Where are you?!"

"Where am... I'm at the school."

"Homura I need you to time stop and pick me and Mami up"

Normal people generally do stupid things in emergencies unless they've been warned beforehand. Half a minute doesn't seem like much, but it's enough for our allies to get killed and/or snatched. It's also enough for plenty of civilians to die.
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I love how you are speaking like they'll take to the codewords like professional spies and not, I don't know, teenage girls. If that situation were to happen there still is going to be a half minute of panic even with the codewords, unless we drill them in the proper usage of it under high stress situations, and I don't know about you, but I don't feel like turning "being associated with a meguca" into a full time high risk job based on a hunch.
 
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Cannongerbil said:
I love how you are speaking like they'll take to the codewords like professional spies and not, I don't know, teenage girls. If that situation were to happen there still is going to be a half minute of panic even with the codewords, unless we drill them in the proper usage of it under high stress situation, and I don't know about you, but I don't feel like turning "being associated with a meguca" into a full time high risk job based on a hunch.
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Not really.

"Hey, if you see something that looks magical and need help fast just say <whatever thing> and tell us where you are. It's just like calling the police for magical stuff, except we'll show up in 3 seconds flat."

I don't see the difficulty. I don't see a full time job either. It's like half a minute of conversation with friends that could buy us a bit of time if they get in trouble, not some massive spy thing with training or drills that takes hours. Tiny outlay of effort, moderate reward if it comes up.

As for paranoia, we are undertaking to break the magical system. People are going to attack us. Some we will know about beforehand, some we will not. Kyubey is probably going to start sending threats our way if we cause big enough problems to his system. We are going to go into wars again and fight enemies with unknown powers. It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
 
AuraTwilight said:
The funny thing is Wally might ACTUALLY work on narrativium.
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That would be so incredibly frustrating it's not even funny.

AuraTwilight said:
Do totally unethical experiments on them? For SCIENCE? I mean it'd feel like a waste to just gemsplode when we can do tests on things we can't otherwise work on, and THEN Gemsplode when we're done.

I don't know.
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I don't think anybody will go for it. Which seems odd since magical therapy powers were mentioned, but trying to do that ourselves is somehow wrong? Though at the absolute least we should donate their body to SCIENCE! That way we'll have body(ies) to try and put Hildy or the Soujo's collection into.
 
Krecart said:
I don't think anybody will go for it. Which seems odd since magical therapy powers were mentioned, but trying to do that ourselves is somehow wrong? Though at the absolute least we should donate their body to SCIENCE! That way we'll have body(ies) to try and put Hildy or the Soujo's collection into.
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Now there's a thought: what if the clear witch gems are just missing a magical girl body? Worth trying the second we can ethically source a body.

SCIENCE! question: If you cut a magical girl body in half, then try to heal each half independently, do you end up with two magical girl bodies?

Edit: Also, did we ever try pumping healing magic into a witch gem? We should ask a dedicated healer to try as well.
 
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What are we even discussing? I'm sorry but i fail to see the importance of speaking codewords. How about talk something else like !Science! or Kyouko.
Jackercracks said:
SCIENCE! question: If you cut a magical girl body in half, then try to heal each half independently, do you end up with two magical girl bodies?
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From what i see from mami in pmmm, i think she's pretty much dead.
 
Jackercracks said:
I don't see the difficulty. I don't see a full time job either. It's like half a minute of conversation with friends that could buy us a bit of time if they get in trouble, not some massive spy thing with training or drills that takes hours. Tiny outlay of effort, moderate reward if it comes up.
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And that's where I have a problem with your plan. You seem to think that just telling them about the codeword will let them use it calmly and efficiently should a magical girl start ripping spines out in front of them. This is not how things work. There's a very good reason most buildings run fire drills, because just telling you what to do in the event of a fire isn't enough, you need to actually practice evacuating for that there be any appreciable improvement.

So in order for the codeword to "buy us abit of time", we need to get them to practice with it. Like, legitimately practice, not just repeat the word to themselves a few times. This puts additional stress on them for basically no reason other than "we suspect that something will happen, sometime in the future, maybe." This is not only paranoia, it's paranoia that inconveniences others.

This is also an exceptionally poor time to be trying out such measures, since we are trying to convince Mami that being a magical girl doesn't mean she has to abandon her mundane activities or cut herself off from her mundane friends, and then we turn around and start treating the mundane friends she just made as though being friends with a meguca makes them a target of magical assassination.

In short: simply telling them about the codewords does nothing except give them additional stress and reasons to be paranoid, and actually making the codewords effective wrecks their livestyles and undercuts what we've been telling Mami.
 
theauthor said:
What are we even discussing? I'm sorry but i fail to see the importance of speaking codewords. How about talk something else like !Science! or Kyouko.
From what i see from mami in pmmm, i think she's pretty much dead.
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Mami only died because her Soul Gem broke. Kyubey says as long as it's safe, a Magical Girl can survive AAAANYYYTHIIIING.
 
Cannongerbil said:
and then we turn around and start treating the mundane friends she just made as though being friends with a meguca makes them a target of magical assassination.

making the codewords effective wrecks their livestyles and undercuts what we've been telling Mami.
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Being friends with a meguca does make them a target of magical assassination. That's essentially what Oriko tried in canon right? They are already targets of magical assassination. If we do the empire thing, the threat will be even moreso. We choose how we react to that fact.

Let's take as the premise that you're right and they need to drill a bit for it to be effective. I still don't see how 20 minutes of practising saying a code word when strange stuff happens wrecks their lifestyle. It's really not a big deal. Practising a fire drill doesn't ruin your life, I don't see why this should.

Edit: To be honest I really don't care about this a huge amount. It is not a big deal. At most it's 1/7th of a vote or a couple lines of dialogue. I really don't get why you think it's going to cause problems or ruin their lives or something.
 
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Jackercracks said:
Being friends with a meguca does make them a target of magical assassination. That's essentially what Oriko tried in canon right? They are already targets of magical assassination. If we do the empire thing, the threat will be even moreso. We choose how we react to that fact.

Let's take as the premise that you're right and they need to drill a bit for it to be effective. I still don't see how 20 minutes of practising saying a code word when strange stuff happens wrecks their lifestyle. It's really not a big deal. Practising a fire drill doesn't ruin your life, I don't see why this should.

Edit: To be honest I really don't care about this a huge amount. It is not a big deal. At most it's 1/7th of a vote or a couple lines of dialogue. I really don't get why you think it's going to cause problems or ruin their lives or something.
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You have a much better chance of running away from a fire than you do a homicidal meguca bent on your utter destruction. I am not seeing the point of codewords.
 
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