Mister Bad Guy
Mr Mercury to friends
- Location
- Bay Area
Puh-lease. Based on their reactions in canon, they would probably ask if we've found a good carrying case yet. (You don't wanna buy from one of those knockoff trophy-case makers.)
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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The threat of force should do the trick there.
Gadjo
Doka
Eh... If they're as loony as that situation would expect, threat of force should accomplish approximately jack shit. If they are that crazy by the time we see them, I'd say rocking them would be preferable.
- Location
- South Africa
In addition, by Incubator logic, "distances this short" may mean "within 17 thousand light years" or something. And "We're still in range of telepathic communications" might mean "We're still in range of telepathic communications of this particular Incubator body. I'd have to use a relay of multiple bodies if you were further. Remember that this is Kyuubey and how conversations with him work.
All that proves is that they didn't believe they were capable of telepathic conversations of that distance, which we knew already from the canon timeline.
Yes. I had forgotten.
I happen to be pro-killing threats. But we are powerful enough to mean that we can afford giving a chance at redemption.
AnonymousRabbit
Rabbit Faced
Hey guys how's the twins discussio-
*MurderNoMurderMegucaBatmanCrazy*
Ooookay. I'm on the side of just scaring them and make them heel. After all their Witch is a two headed dog.
Worst comes to worse they come to admire us with our Gem snatching skills.
*MurderNoMurderMegucaBatmanCrazy*
Ooookay. I'm on the side of just scaring them and make them heel. After all their Witch is a two headed dog.
Worst comes to worse they come to admire us with our Gem snatching skills.
noahgab1133
Fluffy?
nah worse case scenario is the pleiades figure something out, have oriko turn on us or kill her, mami and madoka etc and/or cause us to witch out
- Location
- Germany
ORTHUS- Their Witch is Cerberus little brother?
Given how Homura treats sensitive discussions (talking in person in timestop), I'm hoping she knows. Oriko seems to give things the same caution, given that she reprimanded us for showing that witch and during her original interrogation said we had a good point that Kyubey could find out if we dropped timestop, although I don't know if she knows specifically. So it's pretty much just Mami and our auxiliary contacts.
Definitely could be something we mention to everyone just in case though.
Definitely could be something we mention to everyone just in case though.
- Location
- South Africa
Good point. We should also try my suggestion of trying to make an alternative.
EDIT:Agreed with SWB
- Location
- Somewhere near L1... I think
My money is on the Interloper either being one of the Tokyo groups or some other group affiliated with Sendai, specifically Akiko, that comes busting in. The place we don't want to go to and all the people involved with it are still a few weeks out, and I don't think the other four meguca in the area not associated with us are going to be stirring up trouble.
Also there's the definition of the word 'interloper.'
in·ter·lop·er
(ĭn′tər-lō′pər)
n.
1. One that interferes with the affairs of others, often for selfish reasons; a meddler.
2. One that intrudes in a place, situation, or activity
Taking into account the name of the last chapter (Under the Radar) the Interloper may have been around for a while observing while staying undetected. They could very well be fallout from what happened in Sendai and Ishinomaki. Hopefully, I'm just shadowrunning a bit too hard and this all passes quietly.
Yeah, right.
The back-up idea I have is that we are the Interloper. Unwanted by Kyubey or some other faction as we start unraveling the logic and lies that uphold the system. Kyubey is a con artist, but if the marks know about the con they will be able to avoid it unless they are absolutely desperate.
As for the various fiefdoms of the MGs, they run on the same logic that Akiko in Sendai did. The strong conquer the weak, the weak provide grief seeds to their lords, and if they starve out it's inconsequential. There are always more contractors after all.
But we have the key to bringing that crashing down around their double ears. We have the knowledge to help prospects avoid contracting and the ability to take them under our wing with little extra strain. We can sustain a larger, more loyal fighting force than any other group could hope to muster. Not only that, but their loyalty isn't based on grief seeds. It's based on our power. Something so powerful that the other groups can't out produce us, can't cut the supply line for, and can't steal for themselves without capturing us.
But to attempt that,they would have to attack the seat of the fief's Lord. They would have to attack Mitakihara and possibly Kasimino. And in those two cities are three veterans (Homura, Kyoko, Mami), one high-tier (Kirika), two mid-levels (those two whose names I keep forgetting), a rookie (Yuma), a precog (Oriko), and then the feudal lord herself (Sabrina). Worst case scenario the mid-levels that got healed defect but that's unlikely as we helped them, and Kyoko knows better than to mess with Mami.
As it sits we have NAPs/trade agreements/shaky allinaces with Sendai, the Univ., Ishinomaki, and even minor relations with Fukushima and North Tokyo. If we decided to pull that thread and call in outside aid in the event of a hostile takeover of our fief, we could very well have a war to dwarf the Sendai-Ishinomaki conflict.
Thoughts?
Also there's the definition of the word 'interloper.'
in·ter·lop·er
(ĭn′tər-lō′pər)
n.
1. One that interferes with the affairs of others, often for selfish reasons; a meddler.
2. One that intrudes in a place, situation, or activity
Taking into account the name of the last chapter (Under the Radar) the Interloper may have been around for a while observing while staying undetected. They could very well be fallout from what happened in Sendai and Ishinomaki. Hopefully, I'm just shadowrunning a bit too hard and this all passes quietly.
Yeah, right.
The back-up idea I have is that we are the Interloper. Unwanted by Kyubey or some other faction as we start unraveling the logic and lies that uphold the system. Kyubey is a con artist, but if the marks know about the con they will be able to avoid it unless they are absolutely desperate.
As for the various fiefdoms of the MGs, they run on the same logic that Akiko in Sendai did. The strong conquer the weak, the weak provide grief seeds to their lords, and if they starve out it's inconsequential. There are always more contractors after all.
But we have the key to bringing that crashing down around their double ears. We have the knowledge to help prospects avoid contracting and the ability to take them under our wing with little extra strain. We can sustain a larger, more loyal fighting force than any other group could hope to muster. Not only that, but their loyalty isn't based on grief seeds. It's based on our power. Something so powerful that the other groups can't out produce us, can't cut the supply line for, and can't steal for themselves without capturing us.
But to attempt that,they would have to attack the seat of the fief's Lord. They would have to attack Mitakihara and possibly Kasimino. And in those two cities are three veterans (Homura, Kyoko, Mami), one high-tier (Kirika), two mid-levels (those two whose names I keep forgetting), a rookie (Yuma), a precog (Oriko), and then the feudal lord herself (Sabrina). Worst case scenario the mid-levels that got healed defect but that's unlikely as we helped them, and Kyoko knows better than to mess with Mami.
As it sits we have NAPs/trade agreements/shaky allinaces with Sendai, the Univ., Ishinomaki, and even minor relations with Fukushima and North Tokyo. If we decided to pull that thread and call in outside aid in the event of a hostile takeover of our fief, we could very well have a war to dwarf the Sendai-Ishinomaki conflict.
Thoughts?
noahgab1133
Fluffy?
ALL HAIL
her army of puella's shall blot out the sun!
Gadjo
Doka
It really feels like it's too soon to call, though. Any number of things could be after us at this very moment. We can't prepare for everything, so I suppose the best we can do is keep an eye out and make sure not to dismiss anything out of the ordinary.
- Location
- Somewhere near L1... I think
Eh, that was just how I organized it in my head. Each territory is held by a person, group, or groups. Groups like Akiko's Sendai actively subjugated another group and made them provide grief seeds as a tax for living on "Sendai's land." Akiko would be the figurative lord as she is the one holding the reigns in the region and is the one making deals with other leaders and groups.
In a way, our own set up is feudal. We promise de-griefing and military/diplomatic aid in exchange for the groups affiliated with us playing nice together and not starting turf wars.
True, it is early. That's why I said it was probably a shadowderp, but I figured it was worth bringing up. I also like the idea of being on guard though.
You never know, she might run out of ammo.
Mom also doesn't like to travel that much, so if we have to take the fight outside of the Mitakihara area she probably won't be around.
- Location
- spinning
Whoa, I'm glad that Sabrina didn't act like Kyubey for updates I missed and that better option was proposed
(Don't take this as bad, though, anyone who feels this may target you - in the end, nobody voted for that.)
I know!
A Witch, we can save. On the flips side:
@cmwatford: Yes, doing science is probably most vital option to save everyone, though I can see possibility of jury-rigging with what we have just now with sufficient social for Meguca alive; just get Sakura to limpet us ten times as hard as Mami and then carry us everywhere, while convincing all magical girls to move to closer. With 6720 minutes per week and 100k magical girls as long as we can cleanse a girl weekly every 4 seconds on average we could support the Earth's population while having fun banter with Sakura (or just use clear seeds and actually have less work-hours than average person).
You're assuming that the goal is to save everyone, though. And we're going to need some pretty hax science if we spend 0 time on social.
All the same, we can't manage social well enough for everyone. Even with offering Akiko unlimited free cleanses she still chose to attack us.
In that way, your sense of priorities makes sense. But people do care about Mami more than entire groups of magical girls.
On that note, I count witches as people who don't have golden enough if we don't fix the system, for example....
That said,
[X] Kinematics
well messes with one of the (insufficient) objections that magical girls would suffer from cleansing Mitakihara with white dissolution.
It shouldn't ever come up, even if may be a shadow(run) of it every time revival and saving of everyone is put off to avoid harm to them.
But no. Not everything.
....Weeeeell maybe Homura, under some very dubious conditions. Ability + she became the coolest character in the series. And I guess Miki is fun to tease, so I'd be kind of annoyed if she died. Others...belong closer in 'everyone' category for me and aren't exactly my favourite characters.
However, long term: Break the PMMM into unrecognisable pieces, so that you could tell about PMAS and say: It is PMMM in name only now, the quest is now more about something else.
It doesn't have to be breaking the magical girl system...Slice of life of using magic for everyday things also fits that definition.
On that note, @Firnagzen: I loved the latest update, it was fun and exactly above
You just went full Timelike Colony drop.
@Silver: 6k. I'll read it later, I already have a long post.
If that does not work, put a collar on her if we really want to save everyone. There is probably some way we can mess with them given how their soul gems function.
And they steal gems, not crush, so still better than Kyoko. Kinda.
We don't feel like a monster for rocking, after all, though their reasons are much darker than Asunaro's or ours.
Other magical AoEs may also persist in timestop.
(Don't take this as bad, though, anyone who feels this may target you - in the end, nobody voted for that.)
All this talk of bombs reminds me of someone...
I know!
You forgot the timestop.
In a way, I view Kyoko as Puella Magi who grew up.
A Witch, we can save. On the flips side:
"If someone tells me it is wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every time."
...I guess we could use telepathy?
@cmwatford: Yes, doing science is probably most vital option to save everyone, though I can see possibility of jury-rigging with what we have just now with sufficient social for Meguca alive; just get Sakura to limpet us ten times as hard as Mami and then carry us everywhere, while convincing all magical girls to move to closer. With 6720 minutes per week and 100k magical girls as long as we can cleanse a girl weekly every 4 seconds on average we could support the Earth's population while having fun banter with Sakura (or just use clear seeds and actually have less work-hours than average person).
You're assuming that the goal is to save everyone, though. And we're going to need some pretty hax science if we spend 0 time on social.
All the same, we can't manage social well enough for everyone. Even with offering Akiko unlimited free cleanses she still chose to attack us.
In that way, your sense of priorities makes sense. But people do care about Mami more than entire groups of magical girls.
On that note, I count witches as people who don't have golden enough if we don't fix the system, for example....
That said,
[X] Kinematics
well messes with one of the (insufficient) objections that magical girls would suffer from cleansing Mitakihara with white dissolution.
Drop everything? Give up anything?
It shouldn't ever come up, even if may be a shadow(run) of it every time revival and saving of everyone is put off to avoid harm to them.
But no. Not everything.
....Weeeeell maybe Homura, under some very dubious conditions. Ability + she became the coolest character in the series. And I guess Miki is fun to tease, so I'd be kind of annoyed if she died. Others...belong closer in 'everyone' category for me and aren't exactly my favourite characters.
Short term: Have fun. Do new and interesting science, tease Miki, banter with Sakura, finally have a happy picnic today.
However, long term: Break the PMMM into unrecognisable pieces, so that you could tell about PMAS and say: It is PMMM in name only now, the quest is now more about something else.
It doesn't have to be breaking the magical girl system...Slice of life of using magic for everyday things also fits that definition.
On that note, @Firnagzen: I loved the latest update, it was fun and exactly above
Evacuate Space... In time?
You just went full Timelike Colony drop.
@Silver: 6k. I'll read it later, I already have a long post.
First, let's try to pay them off with Shiny.
If that does not work, put a collar on her if we really want to save everyone. There is probably some way we can mess with them given how their soul gems function.
And they steal gems, not crush, so still better than Kyoko. Kinda.
We don't feel like a monster for rocking, after all, though their reasons are much darker than Asunaro's or ours.
Kirika messed with Homura quite well. Sniping also messes with her while not being as effective against alliances.
Other magical AoEs may also persist in timestop.
Will agree that we don't yet have that strong of a base to work from (but should really be working on improving). We're pretty good with UG, but Ishinomaki and Sendai (sans Akiko) would likely only lend aid if pressed, and if the other wasn't involved.
On the other hand, the title is "Interloper", not "Interlopers", so it's likely a single individual (and being just one person, is much easier for them to stay under the radar...).
If it's tied to any of the groups we've met so far, I'd wager on it being Fukushima, if the story they took back triggers enough warning bells with their superiors. Tokyo already has an open invite for a talk, so they're less likely to send in a spy, but at the same time probably have plenty more people for rumors to spread through. Tome and Osaki don't seem like likely candidates for such; Osaki hadn't been pulled into the fight yet, and the Tome girl that used to be with UG would probably go to UG before coming here, solo.
There's also the independent in Ishinomaki, but the somewhat casual (brief) conversation we heard from her didn't seem like it would trigger any warning bells.
Or maybe it's the Ishinomaki girl that used to be Mami's kouhai, and she's now stalking us to make sure we're treating Mami right... >.>
Aside from that, there's all the "friend of a friend" contacts that we have absolutely no way of predicting, that could come from anywhere.
We really need to build up strengths on the political side, but there's always so little time to get anything done... Well, Kyouko's a start, anyway.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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...it's called a contingency. Obviously, the only way Kyouko would find out would be if Kyubey told her (or Kirika actually blurted it out). So in the event of that happening, then we'd use that to placate her.
Obviously, we should not bring it up for no reason. Come on, I shouldn't have to explain this.
- Location
- spinning
Oh fuck. That would be an unprecedented serious affair (that I've seen in quest).
Also more social. Plus potential shipping/anti-shipping shenanigans.
Gadjo
Doka
I believe this would require invasive surgery to literally attach her to us.
Breaking the magical girl system is arguably in our top 3 long-term goals, though. "System Breaker" is literally the name of the quest. We wouldn't want to disappoint Momdoka, would we?
- Location
- Germany
Yes. This is all Kyuubeys fault.
No ,seriously , Neo-feudalism is a logical, if cold-hearted answer to the conditio Megucae.
In fact the situation lends itself to tributary systems, might makes right amd entrenched tyrants ( most probably the more longlived Meguca out there) This is also good for Kyuubey and company, since it produces lots of despair amongst the opressed Meguca peons and makes them fight witches doubly hard to pay their dues and survive themselves.
The thing is, we are at least locally the end to the economy of scarcity and therefore the reason d'etre of the "Meguca Lords " like Akiko or the Tokyo Five. While theoretically every Magical girl there should appreciate our help, the entrenched powers may not like losing their excuse for bing tyrants or the reason their direct underlings suport them -videlicet Akiko...
It feels to me like what would feel if in Vampire: the masquerade somebody would come up With a reliable way to massproduce blood ; the princes and Primogenwould try to monopolize it, and , barring that, try to destroy it...
No ,seriously , Neo-feudalism is a logical, if cold-hearted answer to the conditio Megucae.
In fact the situation lends itself to tributary systems, might makes right amd entrenched tyrants ( most probably the more longlived Meguca out there) This is also good for Kyuubey and company, since it produces lots of despair amongst the opressed Meguca peons and makes them fight witches doubly hard to pay their dues and survive themselves.
The thing is, we are at least locally the end to the economy of scarcity and therefore the reason d'etre of the "Meguca Lords " like Akiko or the Tokyo Five. While theoretically every Magical girl there should appreciate our help, the entrenched powers may not like losing their excuse for bing tyrants or the reason their direct underlings suport them -videlicet Akiko...
It feels to me like what would feel if in Vampire: the masquerade somebody would come up With a reliable way to massproduce blood ; the princes and Primogenwould try to monopolize it, and , barring that, try to destroy it...
Progression from a previous post on long-term plans.
Enemy action to build defenses for
Requirements:
Means:
Action:
Enemy action to build defenses for
- Assault — Small-scale, focused attack
- War — Large-scale, coordinated attack
- Machiavelli — Gain control over individuals via influence such as blackmail
- Manipulation — Removing influence by taking control of individuals someone depends on
- Political Encroachment — Gain control of surrounding areas in pursuit of gaining control of our area
- Political Stonewall — Gain control of surrounding areas to prevent our influence from spreading
- Poison — Mental of physical 'poisons' (paranoia, fear, poison, etc)
- Theft — Stealing resources
Requirements:
- Intelligence — Knowledge of enemy actions (including confessions from those affected, which requires: Trust)
- Military defense — The ability to repel an assault or all-out war
- Influence — Cooperation with border areas, potentially growing outwards; defense against political encroachment or stonewalls
- Medicine — Ability to heal mental or physical damage
- Accountability — Ability to tell if resources are being taken (obviously must know what those resources are, and how important they are)
Means:
- SCIENCE! — Can be applied to all requirements; broadly useful, but not sufficient by itself.
- Politics — Making friends and influencing people. Trading favors. Improving how well-known and well-viewed we are. Trustworthiness.
- Comrades — Individuals with skills and power that help support the Empire. Need to support -them- when they need it (emotional support, training, etc).
- Awareness — Pay attention to the details around you, even if they seem inconsequential. Don't dismiss concerns or ignore problems.
Action:
- SCIENCE is SCIENCE. Try to improve whenever possible. Don't rest on your laurels.
- Learn what people need, and try to help them get or achieve that.
- Learn how to both give and call a favor.
- Think about what other people might be interested in.
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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You're right; it's Civilization: Megucas