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Kyoko sees the world through a mercenary lens (at the moment), so the best way to get to her would probably be to suggest an alliance against Walpurgisnacht. That way, cleansing her gem/grief seeds will not be seen as hopelessly doomed optimism on one hand or part of an underhanded plot on the other, but rather as the pragmatic support of an ally.

On the other hand, if we don't want to tell her about Walpurgisnacht yet (e.g. if we want to tell Mami first), we could try to give her the whole "give us 3 full grief seeds, and we'll give you back 2 empty grief seeds" option.
 
Guys, it's so simple.
We eat lunch with Mami first, then are too full to finish our lunch with Kyoko.
Then she blows up on us because we are wasting food.

Well, if this quest worked like a sitcom.
 
It should be pretty simple to acquire Kyoko's services, if not her friendship. We offer to pay her through money, or cleansing, or just the general security of being affiliated under the trifecta that controls the city. Logically, she must know that being close to us is the best option for her in the longer term. No fear of witching out, easy access to grief aids, wider territory to hunt in. The benefits are a numerous, if not for her then for Yuma.

Course thats just on the business side of things, respecting the mercenary mentality that Kyoko has developed, not necessarily what's best for the secretly lonely girl that desperately wants to believe in something. If only we can knock down the dam, then we'll have all the water we want.

And ugh, dealing with Oriko vs Kyoko conflict is going to be a beast.
 
boonerunner said:
On the other hand, if we don't want to tell her about Walpurgisnacht yet (e.g. if we want to tell Mami first)
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During the show's first timeline, Mami says that Madoka needs to train up as a magical girl in preparation for Walpurgisnacht's arrival, in a scene set a week prior to the beginning of this quest. She knows.
 
aeqnai said:
During the show's first timeline, Mami says that Madoka needs to train up as a magical girl in preparation for Walpurgisnacht's arrival, in a scene set a week prior to the beginning of this quest. She knows.
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This is ambiguous. The whole thing surrounding walpurgis has always been abit of a headache, because the initial knowledge of Walpurgis comes from Mami, if you go by chronological order, but in every subsequent timeline it's always Homura who brings it up, while Mami never mentions it at all and in some cases even acts surprised of Homura's knowledge. Plus, how Mami knows about Walpurgis's apearance in the first place is unknown, so we can't state for certain that she knows in this timeline.

Onmur said:
Kirika told KB about Yuma.
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Yeah, but does she know about that? Because if she doesn't already know, I don't see a reason to tell her about it.
 
Cannongerbil said:
This is ambiguous. The whole thing surrounding walpurgis has always been abit of a headache, because the initial knowledge of Walpurgis comes from Mami, if you go by chronological order, but in every subsequent timeline it's always Homura who brings it up, while Mami never mentions it at all and in some cases even acts surprised of Homura's knowledge. Plus, how Mami knows about Walpurgis's apearance in the first place is unknown, so we can't state for certain that she knows in this timeline.
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Not really relevant, because it was very clear in previous updates (back during the Oriko arc IIRC) that Mami knew about Walpurgisnacht. We told her that Oriko was going on about some nebulous worse-than-wpgn threat, too.

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Firnagzen said:
"I know. She can see the future, and she sees something big coming," you say. You look at Homura, and gesture at Oriko and Kirika, now just holding each other, and you begin heading over to Mami's location, feeling secure in the knowledge that you still have Kirika's Soul Gem.

Mami's quiet for a moment. "Is it Walpurgisnacht? Even so, I don't see how Oriko was 'helping'."

"She... one moment," you say, breaking out into a trot. You round a corner, and spy Mami. She's cradling her left arm with her right, and moving slowly so as to avoid jolting it. "Hi, Mami," you call.

The blonde brightens a little. "Hello, Sabrina. A- are you OK?"

You glance down at yourself - even with your injuries healed, your costume's still ripped and blood stained. "It's OK, Homura help me to heal. Are you?" You move to the blonde's side, and immediately start applying magic to her arm to start healing the break.

"I'm glad to see you're OK," Mami says, face easing a little and deflecting the question.

"Hmm. Anyway, the way Oriko was talking about the new threat, Walpurgisnacht is barely a footnote to it," you explain, walking along and maintaining the healing as you move.
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We could just use the caveat of "Oriko probably had a vision of the future showing Kyouko dying to a Witch, followed by Yuma dying as well" to placate Kyouko. Kinda hard for her to be pissed about it if the alternative was worse in every way.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
We could just use the caveat of "Oriko probably had a vision of the future showing Kyouko dying to a Witch, followed by Yuma dying as well" to placate Kyouko. Kinda hard for her to be pissed about it if the alternative was worse in every way.
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I don't think that will placate her. It's right up there with "threatened to witch Kirika" on the list of things that could start spirals and fights.
 
Gadjo said:
[X] Muramasa.


It's best that Kyoko never knows that. She did threaten to gut us when she thought we were responsible, and I don't think she'd be any nicer to Oriko.
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We could start listing all the things we need people to not find out about other people.

Kyouko must not find out about Oriko & Kirika sending KB Yuma's way.
Sayaka must not find out we're working with the ones who burnt down her house.
Hitomi must not find out about who pushed her down the stairs?

...

Actually, let us never introduce Oriko and Kirika to anybody ever.
 
Re: Telepathy Range:
Didn't we contact Oriko and Homura (who were in Mitakihara) when we were in Sendai and the Ishinomaki group via telepathy?

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at once depressing and frustrating (repeat to yourself "It's only been three days" until no longer frustrated.).

Am I the only one here who's beginning to develop Limpet Fatigue? Being the single pillar of emotional stability is exhausting - I'm seriously considering callomg in Madoka (specifically, but anyone would do) as reinforcement (as in actually explaining the entire situation, Mami's issues, treatment and endgoal) for the sake of Sabrina's OWN mental and emotional health.

If it weren't for the fact that it'd make everything worse I'd suggest getting Homura and Mami to timestop together (with us providing periodic cleanses outside of the timestop) until such time as they work each other's issues out. Would do wonders for the 'this will take time' vs. 'each IC day may be 3 weeks or more' issue.
Unfortunately that scenario would most likely lead to the Rebellion Gun-Fight. *Head-desk*

Perhaps we can see if any Magical Healers can 'heal emotional wounds' or some such thing? Only other alternative is to find Magical/Mundane Therapist for Mami - cause continuing on our own without some specialised help at our current rate of progress (real time) is going to wear on me.

Here's hoping one of Mami's ex-Kouhai is feeling in a cooperative/forgiving mood.....

[x]Muramasa
 
RE: walpurgisnacht, Mamis knowledge thereof...
We can not assume she has it because of one timeline long "ago". My idea is that Kyuubey tols it to her in order to motivate her for recruiting even nore meguca because of the uberwitch. Wgy has has not done so since, I have no Idea...
 
PhantomFractions said:
Re: Telepathy Range:
Didn't we contact Oriko and Homura (who were in Mitakihara) when we were in Sendai and the Ishinomaki group via telepathy?

Re: Mumi-Limpet:
at once depressing and frustrating (repeat to yourself "It's only been three days" until no longer frustrated.).

Am I the only one here who's beginning to develop Limpet Fatigue? Being the single pillar of emotional stability is exhausting - I'm seriously considering callomg in Madoka (specifically, but anyone would do) as reinforcement (as in actually explaining the entire situation, Mami's issues, treatment and endgoal) for the sake of Sabrina's OWN mental and emotional health.
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Being someone's sole support is exhausting IRL too.

I think a private and honest chat with Madoka could pay big dividends, too.





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RE: walpurgisnacht, Mamis knowledge thereof...
We can not assume she has it because of one timeline long "ago". My idea is that Kyuubey tols it to her in order to motivate her for recruiting even nore meguca because of the uberwitch. Wgy has has not done so since, I have no Idea...
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Repeating myself:

Firnagzen said:
"I know. She can see the future, and she sees something big coming," you say. You look at Homura, and gesture at Oriko and Kirika, now just holding each other, and you begin heading over to Mami's location, feeling secure in the knowledge that you still have Kirika's Soul Gem.

Mami's quiet for a moment. "Is it Walpurgisnacht? Even so, I don't see how Oriko was 'helping'."

"She... one moment," you say, breaking out into a trot. You round a corner, and spy Mami. She's cradling her left arm with her right, and moving slowly so as to avoid jolting it. "Hi, Mami," you call.

The blonde brightens a little. "Hello, Sabrina. A- are you OK?"

You glance down at yourself - even with your injuries healed, your costume's still ripped and blood stained. "It's OK, Homura help me to heal. Are you?" You move to the blonde's side, and immediately start applying magic to her arm to start healing the break.

"I'm glad to see you're OK," Mami says, face easing a little and deflecting the question.

"Hmm. Anyway, the way Oriko was talking about the new threat, Walpurgisnacht is barely a footnote to it," you explain, walking along and maintaining the healing as you move.
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PhantomFractions said:
Re: Telepathy Range:
Didn't we contact Oriko and Homura (who were in Mitakihara) when we were in Sendai and the Ishinomaki group via telepathy?

Re: Mumi-Limpet:
at once depressing and frustrating (repeat to yourself "It's only been three days" until no longer frustrated.).

Am I the only one here who's beginning to develop Limpet Fatigue? Being the single pillar of emotional stability is exhausting - I'm seriously considering callomg in Madoka (specifically, but anyone would do) as reinforcement (as in actually explaining the entire situation, Mami's issues, treatment and endgoal) for the sake of Sabrina's OWN mental and emotional health.

If it weren't for the fact that it'd make everything worse I'd suggest getting Homura and Mami to timestop together (with us providing periodic cleanses outside of the timestop) until such time as they work each other's issues out. Would do wonders for the 'this will take time' vs. 'each IC day may be 3 weeks or more' issue.
Unfortunately that scenario would most likely lead to the Rebellion Gun-Fight. *Head-desk*

Perhaps we can see if any Magical Healers can 'heal emotional wounds' or some such thing? Only other alternative is to find Magical/Mundane Therapist for Mami - cause continuing on our own without some specialised help at our current rate of progress (real time) is going to wear on me.

Here's hoping one of Mami's ex-Kouhai is feeling in a cooperative/forgiving mood.....

[x]Muramasa
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It would be a good idea to get a proper therapist involved, but most of those are a little too extreme and step on a lot of toes. Mami's fragile, yes, but she isn't going to get any better by acting exasperated at her behavior. Time, trust, and some professional help is about all we're going to be able to do. Give the girl some slack; she wasn't exactly stable before we destroyed her view of the world and replaced her only friend.
 
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PhantomFractions said:
Am I the only one here who's beginning to develop Limpet Fatigue?
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You are not the only one, no, but unfortunately in universe this is actually completely acceptable. It has been close to half a year for us, but to her it's only been three days. In fact it'd be much more alarming if she were to drop her limpeting within three days. Sadly, this is one of those things where comic book time works against us, and baring liberal applications of timeskip I don't see a way to fix things.
 
PhantomFractions said:
Perhaps we can see if any Magical Healers can 'heal emotional wounds' or some such thing? Only other alternative is to find Magical/Mundane Therapist for Mami - cause continuing on our own without some specialised help at our current rate of progress (real time) is going to wear on me.
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Considering the setting, such a meguca would be a better system breaker than us at the moment.

PhantomFractions said:
Am I the only one here who's beginning to develop Limpet Fatigue? Being the single pillar of emotional stability is exhausting - I'm seriously considering callomg in Madoka (specifically, but anyone would do) as reinforcement (as in actually explaining the entire situation, Mami's issues, treatment and endgoal) for the sake of Sabrina's OWN mental and emotional health.
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Call mom for help?

Sabrina: "Hello, hope I'm not interrupting anything, but I need your help. Mami's lonely issues are getting a little too much for me, do you think you could look after her and include her in whatever you do today?"

Homura: "...I'm not sure I'm the best person for this?"

Sabrina: "...Sorrywrongmomber."

Homura: "What?"

Sabrina: "...Wrong number. Gotta go. Bye."
 
Yeah...Mami's limpeting is at once guilt-inducing and saddening. The worst part is that she knows it and feels bad about it, not to mention that we were largely responsible for it, however much it was necessary.
 
aeqnai said:
During the show's first timeline, Mami says that Madoka needs to train up as a magical girl in preparation for Walpurgisnacht's arrival, in a scene set a week prior to the beginning of this quest. She knows.
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If Mami thought that she and first-timeline Madoka and Sayaka were capable of defeating Walpurgisnacht, then I would have to say no: she doesn't really know about Walpurgisnacht. Even though we informed her about Oriko's prediction that there's a nebulous threat that's even worse than Walpurgisnacht, that doesn't really count as informing her until she knows how utterly terrifying Walpurgisnacht is going to be.

Walpurgisnacht is the kind of threat that will require us to unify every meguca we've ever heard of in order to possibly beat it. And even then, some of the girls would probably die. And Kyuubey wants Madoka to contract, so (going by its canon behavior) it would probably try to arrange for most of our allies to die if at all possible.
 
Yea, this seems like one of the big downsodes of having a mind that runs at like 12x speed. Less patience in the in-universe time scale, as we (and thus in some sense, Sabrina) have to "deal with it" MUCH longer than it actually is in universe. :(

This is mitigated some, but not all, by having a bunch of participants here to help "spread the load" around. Also by the the fact tbat it isn't really "real" to us, giving us partial emotional detachment (and thus giving Sabrina partial, but less so, emotional detachment when she needs to).

Yea, a super "dialated" "thought process" comes with a bunch of upsides (IMO, ones that are worth it), but this sort of issue is indeed a major pain point for us and Sabrina.
 
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boonerunner said:
If Mami thought that she and first-timeline Madoka and Sayaka were capable of defeating Walpurgisnacht, then I would have to say no: she doesn't really know about Walpurgisnacht. Even though we informed her about Oriko's prediction that there's a nebulous threat that's even worse than Walpurgisnacht, that doesn't really count as informing her until she knows how utterly terrifying Walpurgisnacht is going to be.

Walpurgisnacht is the kind of threat that will require us to unify every meguca we've ever heard of in order to possibly beat it. And even then, some of the girls would probably die. And Kyuubey wants Madoka to contract, so (going by its canon behavior) it would probably try to arrange for most of our allies to die if at all possible.
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That's Wally if we were playing anyone else; keep in mind we have infinite timestop, Mami, grief rend, and any weapon we can think of within 100m. We shouldn't lose any allies against wally.
 
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