BungieONI
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I'm interested in getting Stability to 2 and keeping it at least at 1. Doing that will probably help deal with our corruption problem in the long term.
Paths of Civilization
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BungieONI
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Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
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Given bisexuality can have it's likelihood increased by passing down the right genes, while most may end up in a monogamous heterosexual relationship (passing down those genes), it wouldn't actually prevent them from being appreciative of their own sex, and drawing the attentions of the shamans.
Personally I just find it kind of interesting that we likely have a higher percentage of these individuals born per couple due to selective practices seeking them out and basically marking them as ideal spousal candidates instead of ostracizing them.
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I want 3; at least to see what happens when we accept -5 Stability worth of refugees (hopefully trait evolution).
Or, more realistically, to rush some wonder in, like, 1 turn.
We know Blackbirds are, on the "metal acquisition" mission one talked about his wife.
I am pretty sure all others can as well.
Hell, Gwydyah was married to a woman, so our people seem to be quite tolerant in such things.
Double-main the Gardens, kick twice, huh?
This would really be a sight to see. Like pyramids building on crack.
I suspect we'd not finish it in one turn that way, we'd still require two unkicked main actions. But dropping a megaproject in two turns is still a nice thought.
The thing is, I'm pretty sure our "time to complete megaproject" (insofar as our projections are accurate) defaults to the longer number; double-turn progress happens either because we got a critical success on our main action or because we did some relevant supporting action with a secondary. (Possibly both.)
Either way, I don't think we'll be one-turning a megaproject without metal tools; those might bring Gardens down enough to pull off. Using lead in the construction of the Gardens, though... That's entirely plausible and something I'd sincerely want to avoid.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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I mean... each turn is 20 years and I'm p certain at least one pyramid was made in that length of time or less, so it's perfectly viable.
I support doing this after we conquer and fortify the eastern hills province, develop metal, and improve our warriors once.
That's about the timing I was considering, myself. Preferably pairing the study metal with study health.
Umi-san
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Disagree. Pair Study Health with Carrion Eaters or Study Forest, it's the optimal choice.
Metal either next turn w/ Warriors to
Edit: Trade Mission + Other Secondary if not. Ideally double trade missions but that's cus I'm biased into wanting more knowledge about the lowlands and other nations. Maybe Sailing Mission? We could try to reach the people on the other side of the HK mountain.
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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Still unlikely, especially seeing as their is stigma in our own society against them to an extent, while that might have been lowered due to our past holy leader, it'll still exist especially since we import so many people from other societies who are normal in comparison to us, so their attitudes would effect it as well. Even then they would be a very insignificant portion of our population.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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Its just unlikely, since it didn't happen in real life, despite bisexuals still vast majority being in regular relationships, but it still didn't happen.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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Doubtful, considering that the new residential population seems to have some contact w/ the People but are still overall separated, and when they integrate likely tend to integrate into our values. Furthermore doesn't remove his points that shamans et al are in esteemed positions, increasing their appeal as partners and likely providing more food and opportunities for their children.
IRL homo- and bi-sexuality is still stigmatized against, which means it's a) underreported, and b) individually repressed. As traits they also don't result in esteemed positions, higher income, etc.
tldr: plz argue in consideration of points brought up rather than just the points you believe in <3 <3
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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Make it a sacred duty to have at least one direct descendant? Maybe have shamans encourage baby making and have king release more food for parents?
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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uhuh, The facts put all that at less than 5% of the population today (for the US) its extremely unlikely that it would be higher than that in this quest by anything other than fiat, I'd be fine with it if it made sense, but it doesn't. Even if 100% of the population was bisexual which there is no way that it is, then 90% are effectively straight.
Bisexuals in real life had ample opportunity to reproduce, especially since it isn't obvious someone is bisexual.
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There is no explicit or implicit rule against the spiritually apt from marrying and having children, but the shamans and related professions do tend to draw from the non-neurotypical and queer portions of the population so there is a distinct selection pressure there. Also, a lot of people turn their eye away from closeted homo- and bisexuals if they don't think it is to their advantage to have them go off to train with the shamans. There are also those who are particularly bright who start receiving training despite there being nothing 'off' about them. There are even some who are particularly motivated who make it their personal mission to get shaman training. Hygyn, one of the first Carrion Eaters, was so chosen because he actually started life as on the warrior track before getting himself into trouble and becoming a half-exile, where he ended up working with Bynwyn and dedicated the rest of his life to personal betterment and the study of the mysteries of the universe.
Also, as a general note, magic is considered Work of the Second Kind (skilled infrastructural work that supports Work of the First Kind, which is primarily about the harvest of goods from the natural world, mostly food), although mostly treated differently than a skilled potter or mason.
Also, as a general note, magic is considered Work of the Second Kind (skilled infrastructural work that supports Work of the First Kind, which is primarily about the harvest of goods from the natural world, mostly food), although mostly treated differently than a skilled potter or mason.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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Perhaps we can start small scale private ownership of land via warrior & shaman service? That would put the sub chief at odds with warrior and intellectual if they are jerking average folk around. The new land owners would want to protect their interests and formulate ways stabilize worker assignments.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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Which is a big reason for why blackbirds would be so low, no matter what people say or would like to be, non typical sexualities and minds are not frequent, which is what I was saying about blackbirds being few in number on top of the fact that many would not be recruited
Umi-san
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Bisexuals in real life had ample opportunity to reproduce but same-sex amory has for the past several centuries been highly stigmatized against, resulting in depression, guilt, and increased suicide rates among both people leaning toward homosexuality and people leaning toward the middle.
Additionally, while self-reported "bisexuals" may be at 5%, people who report "acts of a sexual nature with a person of the same sex" is significantly higher. Representative phenomena can be found in studies about Midwestern men who have sex with men, who do not call themselves gay or bisexual but pursue acts representative of these labels.
Homo-amory in real life, as a stigmatized trait, does not lead to an esteemed position and increased earnings as it can be presumed to do within our society.
Regardless, basing your points off of real life, i.e. a different socio-economic environment than present within the quest, is a flawed approach and ultimately meaningless tactic.
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They don't even remotely recruit Blackbirds from only those categories, the Blackbirds are actually mostly drawn from the standard warriors who show a predilection towards stealth and mental fluidity.
Do any of the other known civs have anything like the Blackbirds yet?
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Now that's a great detail. Inspiring redemption story, which also shows that, while we do have kind of sort of casts, we also have quite a degree of social mobility.