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Deadly Snark said:
"It does not matter whether the cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice."
Is a much better quote.
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It was intentionally unfavorable, i don't like him.

Onto other thoughts, it looks like TH and HK have not encountered other big polity around them. Since they are trying to cut DP down to size. Wonder if HK are mining the copper or another small polity is doing it.

Maybe we can hope TH or Nomad have breed pony to horses?
 
bluefur87 said:
The settlement will lack walls to defend and trails to bring stuff to. Ideally we'd get the warriors first and then build the settlement alongside it's infrastructure. Also get metal working first so we could do it much cheaper/faster, but we don't actually know how long that would take.

This is a sort of 'look, we need warriors to defend this place, along side other places, and we really want to get this settlement started sooner rather than later,' sort of vote. The next turn we'd be forced to build infrastructure and walls, and the turn after a forest. So it would delay metal working by a lot.

I'd really prefer to chug away at metal working before building a province whose primary benefit would be to get large scale metal working done.
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*shrug* M Expand Warriors + M Province -> M Study Metal + NT + Wall -> M Survey + M/S Metal Exploit + S Black Soil? -> M Forest + S Survey Exploit? + S Survey Exploit?

I'd be fine with M Expand Warriors + M Study Metal, but idc.

I don't consider the new province's primary benefit to be large scale metal working. I consider its primary benefit to be access to more land to the east and north of it, which would eventually allow us to border the TH and negotiate for the ability to dam their river. Its secondary benefits are potential sources for metal, increased free econ, filling an access point to the lowlands so that assaults occur there rather than from there on valleyhome, and providing an access point to the lowlands that we can use for trade and/or war.

VoidZero said:
Onto other thoughts, it looks like TH and HK have not encountered other big polity around them. Since they are trying to cut DP down to size. Wonder if HK are mining the copper or another small polity is doing it.
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Academia Nut said:
The trade mission to the Highland Kingdom had gone well enough, although it had also come up that they had their own source of metal to the south-west rather than the north-west, so while they hadn't exactly embarrassed themselves, the traders hadn't exactly been able to entirely awe the Highland King with their goods.
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Academia Nut said:
To the west there were hills and mountains - it actually sounded like there were more valley tribes within the interior of the western hills, at least one of which had the secrets of metalworking. Explorations to south along the sea of the people would likely bring them into more direct contact with these tribes at some point. However, as one went south things got hotter and drier, and while there was apparently another river system that made the lands fertile again, there were few major powers, although there were rumours of a mythical land of plenty in the middle of a sea of sand, although that was considered impossibly far by the much closer Highland Kingdom, so the People probably had no capacity to make contact there.
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Instead of trying to work out metals? We could keep expanding south on the coast until we meet the folks in the western hills and try to annex them?

We could do both?
 
Umi-san said:
*shrug* M Expand Warriors + M Province -> M Study Metal + NT + Wall -> M Survey + M/S Metal Exploit + S Black Soil? -> M Forest + S Survey Exploit? + S Survey Exploit?

I'd be fine with M Expand Warriors + M Study Metal, but idc.

I don't consider the new province's primary benefit to be large scale metal working. I consider its primary benefit to be access to more land to the east and north of it, which would eventually allow us to border the TH and negotiate for the ability to dam their river. Its secondary benefits are potential sources for metal, increased free econ, filling an access point to the lowlands so that assaults occur there rather than from there on valleyhome, and providing an access point to the lowlands that we can use for trade and/or war.
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We're still rather heavily in the touch and go area here, so... eh?

Will have to see where our stability lands first. A festival or sacrifice may very well be needed.

Kiba said:
Instead of trying to work out metals? We could keep expanding south on the coast until we meet the folks in the western hills and try to annex them?

We could do both?
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Redshore is already sort of doing that?

I'm not particularly fond of it as an expansion, but the Eastern Hills are, by far, our best next expansion route. It's a question of order of objectives.
 
bluefur87 said:
A festival or sacrifice may very well be needed.
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Not or
Definitly a Sacrifice, it gives more Stab and has not a limit of uses
It's better given our current situation and I won't hear any excuses just because some people are pussying around over the eco costs,

People I know some don't like it, but it's our freaking health & happiness bar in one, it's what determines the opinion on our government and influences both the corruption and the social values among our people
So please show some discipline, it's just a single fucking turn
Can't you just follow the ideals of our people and spend one turn waiting for your shiny for the greater good of the community?
 
bluefur87 said:
To be fair, at the rate we're gaining economy I'm reasonably sure they'll build their own.

If we don't spend any extra this turn we'll be at 6, assuming none of our provinces expand econ, which they have an immense amount of incentive to do at this point.

At 7 they start spending econ, and the fishing village wanting walls is way up on the list and no one could really begrudge them for it.
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...Thinking about it, this raises a very good question.

@Academia Nut you once said that if we build enough walls we would eventually have it automatically be part of our settlements due to experience. Does this extend to if our provinces are the ones building walls?

Like, if our provinces all build enough walls, would we get that auto tech upgrade?
 
I can't believe there are people denying the existance of magic in this quest.

I mean, was everything Gwygoytha ever did not magical?
You know, aside for that one time she sent her son up north without any special back-up, that was decidedly unenchanted.
 
SpeckofStardust said:
She was badass normal claiming she had a ability that others could not possess is an insult.
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She was Crow's Student and we have yet to find another like her.

Also, I don't see anyone else talking to crows while having maxed several dnd classes, hips that cannot lie, and being a literal genius who learned everything available and then some. Gwygo absolutely had a ton of abilities that others could not possess. There is a reason her very name has become the word our people use when things go hilariously wrong and chaotic.

Not acknowledging this is far more an insult. She was pretty much our best leader.
 
Vote Tally : Paths of Civilization | Page 754 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
Task: Main
[52][Main] More Blackbirds
[9][Main] New Settlement - Eastern Hills
[8][Main] Expand Warriors
[1][Main] Restore Order
[1][Main] Grand Sacrifice
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Secondary
[42][Secondary] Restore Order
[41][Secondary] Restore Order x2
[23][Secondary] Study Metal
[18][Secondary] Establish Annual Festival
[5][Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
[4][Secondary] New Trails
[3][Secondary] Expand Annual Festival
[3][Secondary] More Blackbirds
[1][Secondary] Build Wall - Eastern Hills
[1][Secondary] Study Stars
Total No. of Voters: 71
 
I mean...regardless of rolls, "in response to finally failing at refusing to consider compromise and pushing for random chance at social progress, and right after reacquiring 'The Greater Good' as a value, we go whole hog on 'spy on everything with badass and often queer stone age ninjas to restore order', in the midst of a baby boom" just kind of lends itself to interesting stories, i'd say. Whether a good outcome or a bad outcome, @Academia Nut can take this in half a dozen directions, each of them interesting, and show off more of the worldbuilding he's done behind the scenes in a fun way

...that's my interpretation and i refuse to accept any guesses that AN's post had to do with prerolling and us having exploded ourselves with an accidental coup or the like via terrible rolls <.< >.>
 
Abby Normal said:
I mean...regardless of rolls, "in response to finally failing at refusing to consider compromise and pushing for random chance at social progress, and right after reacquiring 'The Greater Good' as a value, we go whole hog on 'spy on everything with badass and often queer stone age ninjas to restore order', in the midst of a baby boom" just kind of lends itself to interesting stories, i'd say. Whether a good outcome or a bad outcome, @Academia Nut can take this in half a dozen directions, each of them interesting, and show off more of the worldbuilding he's done behind the scenes in a fun way

...that's my interpretation and i refuse to accept any guesses that AN's post had to do with prerolling and us having exploded ourselves with an accidental coup or the like via terrible rolls <.< >.>
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Or we get invade while are army is busy with internal manners. -_-
Adhoc vote count started by SpeckofStardust on Apr 19, 2017 at 9:58 PM, finished with 19494 posts and 71 votes.
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SpeckofStardust said:
Or we get invade while are army is busy with internal manners. -_-
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invaded by who? The DP, busy taming their unruly slaves? Our TH allies, busy raiding the DP?
The HK busy straining to expand against the DP's shroud of vassals? Possibly likely, because they might try to expand northward. But they know how rich we are and want our dyes, so attacking us would be inadvisable.
The nomads are the most likely, but it would need them to have a Hero who's united them. Whcih is not entirely unlikely, but even then, unless they've acquired new tech of some kind it would just make them do the whole suppressing/loot-seizing raids the hero before last did.

hylas240 said:
Or we go all joffrey baratheon and murder babies of politically corrupt chiefs.
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I pray not.

Maybe the politically corrupt chiefs gained more power through this cus we rolled real bad, or had a King who was corrupt?
 
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