- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
I mean, ideally those bonuses would help us deal with exactly those issues, right? I think ideally we should make decisions with full information :/
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
We can do ties well enough through our marches. Do you have reason to believe that this Passage will SIGNIFICANTLY improve relations with nearby nomads?
As for trade wealth, I think the most likely outcome in terms of trade is that we will get a dominance bonus to certain goods, same way the Docks gave us a dominance bonus to certain goods. So maybe we will get a single point of wealth out of it per turn, if we are lucky? I'd rather build a marketplace at a tenth the cost of the MP.
If they can cut off the spirit channel route, which is say fifty miles wild, they can certainly cut off the exit to the Boundary Pass, which will be much narrower, and so much easier to blockade the end of. That's because the nomads would know precisely where our forces and their supply lines would emerge, so it would be child's play to concentrate force against them. At least in the Spirit Channel there's some uncertainty. The relatively constrained Spirit Channel is also much better terrain for a mass crossbow levy army backed by cavalry to lure a nomad army in to fight than the open steppe outside the Boundary Pass would be.
The trick of sending an army through the Boundary pass may work once, but nomads aren't actually goldfish. This kind of trick would be novel and interesting enough that word of it would cross the steppe relatively quickly, and be remembered. The steppe nomads of the real world hadrich and sophisticated cultures, with significant continuity in both time and space. They were bound together by kinship and trade networks that spanned the length of the steppe. They weren't orks.
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
*A small reenactment of the Discord chat five minutes ago re-worked for priest debates*See, this is why people need to do what the Ymaryn do with religion.
Set up a debating area and then sell tickets and refreshments.
Priest 1 to the gathered priests: *Post Government Reform* "We must see the omens of the gods!"
Priest 1: "Start your debates!"
Priest 2: "The gods of the Forhuch seem pleased!"
Priest 1: "NO! THE HARMURRI GODS SEEM PLEASED"
Priest 2: "FITE ME!"
Priest 1: "FITE!"
Priest 3: "...far east waifu?"
Priest 1: *Punches Priest 3*
Priest 3: "Me wants!"
Priest 2: "Nah"
Priest 1: "YOUR WAIFU SUCKS"
Priest 4: *attempts to flip the table*
Priest 1: *successfully flips the table*
Priest 2: "All about that Northern Waifu"
"With exotic red hair!"
Priest 1: "Yenyna is BEST HERO/BRO!"
Priest 2: "True"
Priest 1: *Suddenly realizes his error* "...wait" *Derpy 'Oh fuck' look*
Priest 2: "She had a very cute husband as the stories go."
Priest 1: "CINNAMON ROLL!"
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ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
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- He/Him
*A small reenactment of the Discord chat five minutes ago re-worked for priest debates*
Priest 1 to the gathered priests: *Post Government Reform* "We must see the omens of the gods!"
Priest 1: "Start your debates!"
Priest 2: "The gods of the Forhuch seem pleased!"
Priest 1: "NO! THE HARMURRI GODS SEEM PLEASED"
Priest 2: "FITE ME!"
Priest 1: "FITE!"
Priest 3: "...far east waifu?"
Priest 1: *Punches Priest 3*
Priest 3: "Me wants!"
Priest 2: "Nah"
Priest 1: "YOUR WAIFU SUCKS"
Priest 4: *attempts to flip the table*
Priest 1: *successfully flips the table*
Priest 2: "All about that Northern Waifu"
"With exotic red hair!"
Priest 1: "Yenyna is BEST HERO/BRO!"
Priest 2: "True"
Priest 1: *Suddenly realizes his error* "...wait" *Derpy 'Oh fuck' look*
Priest 2: "She had a very cute husband as the stories go."
Priest 1: "CINNAMON ROLL!"
We have wheat, and cinnamon now, do we have sugar, or some substitute, to make cinnamon rolls? This is very important.
Nomads are not very good at siege warfare because the horde have to keep moving to keep their horses fed. It is their one logistical weakness. There would also be multiple Boundary Pass passages and they have to watch for every single one of them.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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Honey? We do harvest wild bees from our forest. Dried honey crumble or honeycomb might work.
They don't need to be any good at siege warfare. They don't need to take the entrance to the pass. All they need to do is set up a picket line of scouts to watch our troops emerge from it and then hit them when they're entering the steppe, as the Pass is suggested to be there to enable offensive deployments.
The mega-project isn't called Boundary Passes.
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It will allow Txolla to trade directly with the steppes and the northern provinces, and the HH will have a much easier time selling their gold and salt now that have a direct pass into the Lowlands.
Txolla will also find it easier to generate wealth with trade missions, which doesn't cost EE like cash crops, which will make it easier for them to fund Support Artisan actions for enough tech to support black soil production and mills action, which they need to improve the fertility of their lands.
I imagine that we'd end up founding a march at the northern end of the boundary passage. Having a military presence would then allow us to use the steppes as a northern route from our core to the Memories of Spirits march, and from there to the Forhuch's northern passage.
There's an awful lot of Marches we want to found....
That includes: March to bottle up the HK, march to the North and North-east, and then the Boundary Pass march.
We will be looking at six marches as subordinate.
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
There is probably a legacy at 5.
Edit: And eliminating threats will probably give reactions to convert marches to colonies.
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
Which means that they need to have not only their picket line of scouts but a fairly significant army within range to attack us as we're entering the steppe. It's not like a mountainous chasm has great sight lines of a hundred miles, which means that the nomad force would have to be within a day's ride or less.
Not to mention that we will likely have bases within the chasm that can house cavalry/blackbirds who can ambush these scouts.
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- Location
- Canada
@Omegahugger It's time...
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- Staring into the void
So we'd be stuck doing what every the astrology prediction is.
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- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Do we know what the People eat (and drink) normally?
I mean, we do know what general ingredients do they have to cook with.
They have a wide variety of crops and forest game, plenty of salt to go around, and are in general well stocked. Just wondering what could they do with it.
It would be nice to see a sidestory describing a feast. And not just the foods, but also how they eat.
Like, are there any especially pudgy patricians? Or maybe a priest that comes to a debate only half-sober?
Any special beliefs related to eating? Any Ymaryn Dionizos spraying his champagne around?
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
Is anyone opposed to at least a temporary repeated yeoman Expand Forest action? It will give +2 LTE as well as the forest and innovation, and will help their faction power to balance out a bit.
Note that the yeomen have some great actions, but their overall agenda (move everyone out of the cities) will usually not match the king's, so they are likely to shed power quickly. It may actually be feasible to leave the repeated action going (time will tell).
Edit: the +2 LTE is based on my best guess at applying the "main with secondary cost" rule to the quirky Expand Forest mechanics. It might actually be +3.
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Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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@Academia Nut on the offchance you haveextra time/energy tonight and it wouldn't affect you using that time/energy for the next update:
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
I'm totally on board with it.
- Location
- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
Yeah, I'm down. I'd honestly also like to pair it with a repeated King Expand Forest as well, for a few turns.
Any patricians who is fat will be ridiculed for being a lazy couch potato.
- Location
- Illinois
Not exactly. More that if the priests believe something is part of their religion, the king can't argue against it easily.
A good example was the early horse riding experiments. The priests pointed out that the youngsters going out and riding those poor horses were abusing them. Our king could go against what the priests wanted in that case, and did so in a way that was of immense long-term benefit.
A god-king in the same position would cripple himself if he argued to make the rodeos like our king did. It would be undercutting the priest's doctrine, and would thus be weakening his own power, possibly even inviting civil war if he becomes seen as illegitimate. So while he could go against the priests, doing so for something as 'minor' as kids on horses that won't help him, his kids, his grandkids, and who knows how many more generations, would be extremely strange.
On the other hand, the king can tell people to do what the well-educated priest caste says, and nobody will think twice about it, so it can really help at times as well.
You can be fat and skilled at war. Fat =/= lazy in this time period, it would be more along the lines of prosperous, since it means you can afford to eat enough to get fat.
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
Can we afford the actions? We're short of non-free cities right now.
And that lack of cities will mean more yeoman actions iiuc, which they might use for forests voluntarily (see: their quest).
- Location
- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
True. If we've got more than 5 actions when our new government hits, I think we should dedicate one to a repeating action, but below that we should probably keep them for the flexibility.
See, this is why people need to do what the Ymaryn do with religion.
Set up a debating area and then sell tickets and refreshments.
Yes, I think we should have good chances to develop priest rap battles with some culture actions.