Vassal Support only gives Loyalty when we have less subordinates than our cap.
That is true. We get the full loyalty benefits of every vassal support policy when we have less subordinates than our cap, whether we have one, five, ten, or fifteen slots open. The loyalty benefits are then distributed to our vassals, marches, and colonies.

Since we currently have eight slots open, we don't have to worry about our subordinate cap any time soon.
 
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I just had an idea. If we were to integrate ALL of our mercenary companies at once, their discipline, structure, and professionalism will be transferred over into our main army. Mechanics tell us that nothing special would happen, but narrative I think tells us that this would give us a professional state army.


Vassal Support only gives Loyalty when we have less subordinates than our cap.
We already have a professional state army. Ceasing to pay and organize them won't improve it.

We'd also lose our mercenary company Legacy.
 
That is true. We get the full loyalty benefits of every vassal support policy when we have less subordinates than our cap, whether we have one, five, ten, or fifteen slots open. The loyalty benefits are then distributed to our vassals, marches, and colonies.

Since we currently have eight slots open, we don't have to worry about our subordinate cap any time soon.

I'd like to found another March for steppe defense and to support Heaven's Hawks, possibly on the Spirit Channel since I doubt Txolla will colonize all of it. We're likely to have two trade post options to go for in the near future as well.
 
We already have a professional state army. Ceasing to pay and organize them won't improve it.
They are not our professional state army. They are mercenary companies. Academia Nut said we'll get an actual professional army if we do Double Main Raise Army. I'm pondering a possible alternate path to getting that professional army.

We'd also lose our mercenary company Legacy.
No we would not. Legacies are only lost when a civilisation fractures or collapses.
 
If we lose all of a type of subordinate, we lose the associated "3-of-a-kind" legacy. We've been told this explicitly in regards to losing Protected Core (since we're down to a single March).
Fair enough. I think losing the legacy would be worth getting a professional state army, but better to get some confirmation from AN if that's actually what would happen before we go through with it.
 
Academia Nut said we'll get an actual professional army if we do Double Main Raise Army.

Action List said:
Raise Army - More men can be inducted into the ranks of the warriors every year and not face major food shortfalls
* S: -2 Econ, -3 Wealth, +5 Martial, +1 Culture, potential additional effects
*M: -3 Econ, -5 Wealth, +9 Martial, +2 Culture, potential additional effects
*2M: -4 Econ, -5 Wealth, +2 Culture, founds Martial 10 Mercenary Company

You were saying?
 
I was saying that Academia Nut said that Double Main Raise Army would give us a professional army. Your quote does not change what he said.

If it is the quote I am thinking of, I'm pretty sure that the actual quote was that our military adviser from centuries ago thought that double Main Raise Warriors or the predecessor to Raise Army was the most likely path to getting us closer to a professional army. Something along those lines. I haven't got the time or interest to find the exact quote.
 
I was saying that Academia Nut said that Double Main Raise Army would give us a professional army. Your quote does not change what he said.

It would give us citizen soldiers and that was back before the government upgrades where the old main is now a secondary. The Myranyn reforms are basically that with a dash of mass conscription and war economy.

Academia Nut also said that the Mercenaries aren't Mercenaries in the traditional sense but as close as the Ymaryn get to the concept of a standing, professional army.
 
I think we should ask AN to clarify when he comes back on. If Double Main RA really does nothing more than give us a strength 10 mercenary company, I'd be surprised considering how seemingly sub-optimal that would be.
 
If it is the quote I am thinking of, I'm pretty sure that the actual quote was that our military adviser from centuries ago thought that double Main Raise Warriors or the predecessor to Raise Army was the most likely path to getting us closer to a professional army. Something along those lines. I haven't got the time or interest to find the exact quote.
You are on the right track. It was Rulhuthyn who said this by way of a word of AN, our heroic martial king who was Rulwyna l's father. For more context he was the king who dreamt of cavalry.

E: Of course the Myranyn reforms did this and some extra like Dania said, with the Mercenaries filling more specialized elite veteran roles.
 
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I was saying that Academia Nut said that Double Main Raise Army would give us a professional army. Your quote does not change what he said.

Why do you think MCs aren't professional soldiers? They never caused us trouble even at the height of the yeomen crisis. Instead they keep training and keeping a watch out for us. Isn't that what professional soldiers do?

And those yeomen? Those are the real assholes.
 
The MCs are the best and have save us in every war that we had them. I will fight to keep them. If you want to see what a Double Main RA will do just do it.
 
We should suppress them into oblivion.

During the crisis? Maybe.

But we are talking about mercenary companies, which you decried as being too 'war-like' but which the majority of the thread want to keep.

We didn't. The lowest it got down to was 1. It needs to go down to 0.

We did. That was how we solved the crisis at all.

I did not say we should give it to the patricians.

Too late. We deliberately concentrate the power of the military into the hand of the Patricians, and to some extent, the Urban Poor.
 
We didn't. The lowest it got down to was 1. It needs to go down to 0.


I did not say we should give it to the patricians.
The Yeomen were down to like, -2 during the end of the Second Sons crisis, since they were being suppressed by the Patricians.
The only other factions we have that have a rural presence are the Priests and the Patricians.

Since we barely have any Temples for the Priests to base out of, the rural power would obviously go to the Patricians if we suppress the Yeomen out of existence.
 
The Yeomen were down to like, -2 during the end of the Second Sons crisis, since they were being suppressed by the Patricians.
Ah, right, I forgot about that. I was thinking in terms of base amount of faction power they had, which was 2 if I remember correctly. Still, getting them down to 0 would result in different things than artificially doing so via patrician suppression.
 
If people want to wage less wars and become less warlike, that's fine to me.

But we're not getting rid of the most professional elements of the Ymaryn military for that, especially the dudes that literally save our asses in the Lowland and the dudes who didn't abandon us to become asshole in Western Ymaryn.

As long as we keep them paid, the MCs aren't going to go 'for GLORY! for honor!' on our asses.
 
The Yeomen were down to like, -2 during the end of the Second Sons crisis, since they were being suppressed by the Patricians.
The only other factions we have that have a rural presence are the Priests and the Patricians.

Since we barely have any Temples for the Priests to base out of, the rural power would obviously go to the Patricians if we suppress the Yeomen out of existence.
And I'm pretty sure it's the low level rural Patricians that are the biggest problem with half-exiles, since they're the people best positioned to halt corruption like that.

Just gotta build roads, and maybe the lowlands canal.
 
The problem there is that there isn't really a distinction between the higher yeoman and lower rural patricians

Every low rural patrician will have high yeomen brothers in law and cousins and the same for high yeoman
 
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