Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Analysis and Diffcheckers -- "Horseman Conflict"
Diff Checker (Civ Sheet)
Diff Checker (Civ Sheet BBCode)
Had this done last night, but only just got my laptop working this morning, just in time to post before i have to head out for some family stuff.
@veekie @PrimalShadow @Academia Nut @BungieONI
Note that AN has said that he probably made errors with the integration, but that he's keeping the stats as is, with the justification that between the plague, the war, and the unruly governor's, stuff got lost in the integration, so the integration gave us fewer stats than we expected.
Diplo 23 -> 25
23 + 2 (Overflow from Tech) = 25Econ 21 (+1+3) {7} -> Econ 26 (+0-0) {9}
There are enough unknowns here that its hard to figure out what led to what, so...bullet points:-We went from 14 TED to 17 TED, when we should have taken 7 TED from the remaining cities. We also should have had 2 extra resistance from the RA gain. So we took 2 less than expected, likely from AN's previous statement that expand econ actions would first deal with damage before overflowing
-We lost an unknown amount of econ to disease rolls, Plague Ridden Economy, and the war
-we lost our pending econ for...some reason?
-we gained some amount of econ from the integration
-Overall, +5 econ, +3 TED
EE 18 -> 23
Same thing as with econ-basically the reverse for all the above, with us overall gaining 5 EE
-So overall we gained 10 LTE, which is nice. We'll probably end up losing some next turn from the lack of econ refunds (we're at either 1.5 or 2, depending on how redshore counts), but right now we literally can't activate any cities. We need to lose 13 LTE, or boost up valleyhomes infrastructure, before we can have even the capital activate again.
Martial 3 {15} -> 8 (+1) {21}
3 + 1 (Kings do not kneel (Three)) + [4+] (Integration) - [0+] (War Losses) = 8 + (+1) (Veterancy) = 8 (+1)The "4+" and "0+" mean that all we know is that integration gave 5 more than war losses took. Probably lost something like 3 martial? Which is still really low losses for what we threw them into. The mercs lost a total of 6 more martial, and ~9 martial is relatively light losses for our first hard mode nomads.
Light cav 1 -> 1
Somehow didn't lose our point of light cav despite throwing them into a battle with 5+ light cav equivalentNote that we gained no wealth from gulvalley, and that our max wealth is pretty low; should actually be 21 instead of 22. So in the short term we have to be wary of running out of wealth, and in the medium term we have to be wary of a gilded age.
Culture 24 -> 26
24 + 5 (Overflow from Mysticism) + 4 (Integration) - 7 (Overflow to Tech) = 26Mysticism 24 (+7) -> 26
24 + 7 (Pending Refunds) = 31 - 5 (Overflow to culture) = 26Tech 15 (+8) -> 26 (+1)
15 + 8 (Pending Refunds) - 2 (Expand Econ) = 21 + 7 (Overflow from Culture) - 2 (Overflow to Diplo) = 26Prestige 92 -> 94
92 + 2 (Somehow Winning Against Nomad Horde) = 94...And actually, might have gained more than 2 from that, since we probably lost prestige from teh Thunder speakers dying. So might have been like +5 from war, -3 from losing vassal...either way, we really shouldn't have gained prestige in our first conflict with hard mode nomads, so...hell yeah?
Luckily/oddly, no stab hit from losing thunder speakers
Cent 7 -> 7
7 - 2 (Integrating 2 Provinces) + 4 (Integrating 4 IC) = 9 - 2 (???) = 7Not sure if the ??? is "AN made a math error" or "We lost 2 cent to plague/war chaos/governor's being unruly". Honestly probably better if the latter, since it gives us more room from our cent cap. With the new IC, our tolerance is 12. If we're at 7, then we've got 4 more "room" before hitting the limit and overcentralized penalty, which is enough that even if all 5 of our regular cities activate we're safe. If we're at 9, then we've only got 2 more room, which is much harder to swing, especially if we want to start roading up more (which we do)
RA 8 {10} -> 8 {15}
Change comes from the patricians supporting the priest faction, raising their faction power to 7. Luckily, AN has said that "As an Admin+Mystic Hero, Uvothyn is uniquely able to deal with such large RA overage.", so we should be safe, and in the meantime, its 2 more TED resistance.Not sure if the 12 is a typo, or a hint that we lost at least one other subordinate, not just the thunder speakers...
We still have contact with the Heaven's Hawk, it seems, and they're still at their previous loyalty/dependency, thankfully
All of our colonies, on the other hand, we have no clue whats going on...which is interesting, since i would have thought that sea travel would be safer than land travel right now...
(On the bright side, greenshore's minor typo where it had previously still had max dependency of 4 even after the trade post -> colony switch is finally fixed
)Txolla and Thunder horse are still in contact enough to know their status, with full loyalty (as expected from us supporting them against nomads), txolla somehow not damaged enough to gain dependency, and with thunder horse going from 4 dependency to 7, which i think is even higher than it was when we first vassalized them after the God Fist, where they were "only" at 6/5 i think. So expect Uvothyn to have to spend at least one support/influence subordinate to get them back on their feet.
Amber road, as expected, is out of contact, no clue how they're doing.
Mercenary companies all got hurt, and all are pretty pissed at the king right now for throwing their infantry-focused selves in the blender of "nomads attacking lowlands while a plague is active" D=
Specifically, they all lost 1 loyalty, Red and dragon banner both lost 1 effectiveness, while the blood rain banner lost 4 effectiveness and is likely almost defunct.
AN updated parts of the EP tracker for me this time, to show us that all our regular cities are inactive...
To show us how many provinces the integration gave us (two)
And to show us how much IC the integration gave (4). So gulvalley was doing pretty good on road systems, giving us 2 per province added. As mentioned in the stats, we should either have 2 more centralization, or we lost 2 cent to the talk of governor's being annoying. Still, either way we gained 2 high cent tolerance from the extra IC. Interestingly, we are almost exactly as connected overall now, if the IC is not localized, since we went from 40.38% IC to 40.4% IC.
Read: Uvothyn is not doing well on longevity rolls and will likely only last an extra turn
Subordinates!!!
Potentially that represents us losing 2 cent, given we're at 7 instead of 9 as expected. Luckily, the integration of gulvalley went without a hitch, and helped a lot, so yay on that decision <3Well damn :/ still, hopefully he'll be able to make progress next turn. Also note that the latter bit represents the Patrician Faction supporting the Priests, giving the priests 2 {7} power right now, which gave us extra RA and likely some bonus to disease rolls from them enforcing things...also likely made any rolls regarding the heretics worse, of course...
As expected, going up against Hard Mode nomads in the lowlands with mostly infantry goes ...rather terribly D=
Even more terribly than we expected even! Once more the home of the Speakers is scoured clean by nomads in a single phase, and once more one of the older civs is destroyed there.
Interesting how many times the narrative focuses on Uvothyn being so empathetic and emotional. I wonder if we're running up against something like the Yushyn Absurdity choice where the admin hero breaks from their empathy not fitting well with disaster... With luck, though, Uvothyn's story will be written as a good one, with his low beginnings and his empathy being presented as good qualities for a hero king who led the People through the worst trials in history...
Read: enough EE to empty the cities, though disease rolls hit a bit harshly first.
*blink* Well that's unexpected
AN mentioned in a later post how this went down:
So praise RNG for saving us =D
Again, Uvothyn shows himself to be somewhat fragile to social situations, which is interesting, and i really do have to wonder if/how this will affect the archetypal kings and characters in general in Ymaryn theatre in the future. While needing to recuse oneself from social events be taken as a sign of genius, as a hint that the lowly artisan might in fact have a larger role in the play than otherwise expected? *ponder*
Interesting, i hadn't realized they had much in the way of infantry, or that it would be forced labor...but i guess its relatively easy to force slave warriors when they're infantry and you're a nomad horde torching all the fields and towns they could otherwise think to escape to...
Well at least we have that much still sacred, even beyond the hatred towards the nomads and the new purity value...also interesting that Uvothyn thinks we could learn so much from taking them in...
Vote's already closed (and since i'm writing this while the thread is locked, might have the new update by the time i post this
), but some clarifications from AN after the fact:-The -1 stab is after the usual +1 stab from the war ending and Joyous Symphony. THats how much the People hate the nomads.
-Regarding the disease roll, we actually can't crit fail it with our mystic king, and the shutdown of all but the free cities, and our bonuses to disease rolls means that overall we actually have a neutral disease modifier again, even with probably the only 3 surviving urban centers on...at this point maybe the entire continent?
-The top option will count for the patrician quest, and will involve "Absorbing nomad horsemen, who will largely be subsumed into your religious institutions under the Spiritbonded, where priests and patrician commanders can keep an eye on them, and also better absorb their equestrian abilities. Their camp followers will also help cover the econ costs."
Very very useful that we get to see the rolls for now thanks to that quest, considering how bad they've been last couple turns
True Cities
[0/5 City Candidates, 3 Free Cities, 11 City Limit]
[Limit is (#Provinces + #LandedNonFreeCitySubordinates)/2]
[0 Non-Supported True Cites : -0 High Cent Tolerance]
[Cities activate when EE is at or below Threshold/2]
-Valleyhome [Capital, Palace, Aqueduct, Baths, Market, Sig. Walls] (20 EE Threshold)[0/5 City Candidates, 3 Free Cities, 11 City Limit]
[Limit is (#Provinces + #LandedNonFreeCitySubordinates)/2]
[0 Non-Supported True Cites : -0 High Cent Tolerance]
[Cities activate when EE is at or below Threshold/2]
-Blackmouth [Aqueduct, Baths, Governor's Palace, Sig. Walls] (20 EE Threshold)
-Sacred Forest [Aqueduct, Baths, Sig. Walls] (18 EE Threshold)
-Stallion Pen [Aqueduct, Mass. Walls] (14 EE Threshold)
-Lower Valleyhome [Aqueduct] (7 EE Threshold)
-Valleyhome [Capital, Palace, Aqueduct, Baths, Market, Sig. Walls] (20 EE Threshold)
[20 (Base) + 6 (Infrastructure) - 6 (No Block Housing) = 20]
-Blackmouth [Aqueduct, Baths, Governor's Palace, Sig. Walls?] (20 EE Threshold)
[20 (Inherit) - 4 (Penalty) + 4 (Infrastructure) = 20]
-Sacred Forest [Aqueduct, Baths, Sig. Walls] (18 EE Threshold)
[20 (Inherit) - 5 (Penalty) + 3 (Infrastructure) = 18]
-Stallion Pen [Aqueduct, Mass. Walls] (14 EE Threshold)
[18 (Inherit) - 6 (Penalty) + 2 (Infrastructure) = 14]
-Lower Valleyhome [Aqueduct] (8 EE Threshold)
[14 (Inherit) - 7 (Penalty) + 1 (Infrastructure) = 8]
[20 (Base) + 6 (Infrastructure) - 6 (No Block Housing) = 20]
-Blackmouth [Aqueduct, Baths, Governor's Palace, Sig. Walls?] (20 EE Threshold)
[20 (Inherit) - 4 (Penalty) + 4 (Infrastructure) = 20]
-Sacred Forest [Aqueduct, Baths, Sig. Walls] (18 EE Threshold)
[20 (Inherit) - 5 (Penalty) + 3 (Infrastructure) = 18]
-Stallion Pen [Aqueduct, Mass. Walls] (14 EE Threshold)
[18 (Inherit) - 6 (Penalty) + 2 (Infrastructure) = 14]
-Lower Valleyhome [Aqueduct] (8 EE Threshold)
[14 (Inherit) - 7 (Penalty) + 1 (Infrastructure) = 8]
-Redshore [Governor's Palace, Aqueduct x2, Baths, Market, Ironworks x2, Sig. Walls] [Block Housing] <Level 2 City>
-Redhills [Aqueduct, Baths, Sig. Walls]
-Valleyguard [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls]
-Greenshore - Capital [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls?] (In Subordinate)
-Greenshore - Unknown City [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls?] (In Subordinate)
-Western Wall - Capital [Aqueduct, Governor's Palace, Sig. Walls?] (In Subordinate)
-Heaven's Hawk - Phygriftwyn [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls?] (In Subordinate)
Libraries:
[Total effect: 3 Mysticism Refund]
-Sacred Forest (Temple, Megaproject, +1 Refund by itself)[Total effect: 3 Mysticism Refund]
-Valleyhome (True City)
-Valleyhome (Palace Annex x2 = 1 National Library)
-Stallion Pen (Temple)
-Redshore (True City)
-Amber Road (Temple) (In Subordinate)
Temples
[4 Total Temple Levels, 1 Natural Wonder]:
-Sacred Forest in Sacred Shore (Lv 2)[4 Total Temple Levels, 1 Natural Wonder]:
-Dragon Graveyard in Stallion Province (Lv 2 + Natural Wonder)
-Horse Valley in Stonepen (Lv 1 + Lv 1 Observatory)
-Amber Road (Lv 1) (Subordinate)
Salt/Gold Production
[Support: 1 Trade Post, 1 Grand Docks]
[Total Effect: +3 Wealth/turn]
-Southshore (Lv 1 Saltern)[Support: 1 Trade Post, 1 Grand Docks]
[Total Effect: +3 Wealth/turn]
-Northshore (Lv 1 Saltern)
-Hatvalley (Gold Mine)
-Heaven's Hawk (Lv 1 Salt Mine) (In Subordinate, Applies to Core Anyway)
Ironworks
[Total Level Count: 3]
[Effect on Expand Econ Secondary: +2 Econ, -2 EE, -2 Tech]
[Effect on City Support/Agriculture Passive Policies: +2 Econ, -2 EE, -1 Tech]
-Redhills (Wonder) [Functions as Lv 1 for anything based solely on Ironwork level count][Total Level Count: 3]
[Effect on Expand Econ Secondary: +2 Econ, -2 EE, -2 Tech]
[Effect on City Support/Agriculture Passive Policies: +2 Econ, -2 EE, -1 Tech]
-Redshore (Lv 2)
Governor's Palace:
[-1 Min Centralization Tolerance, -2 Max Centralization Tolerances]
[+2 Max Interconnectivity, +0 Admin-Free True Cities]
[+2 Temp Econ Resistance, +2 Max Safe Martial]
-Blackmouth[-1 Min Centralization Tolerance, -2 Max Centralization Tolerances]
[+2 Max Interconnectivity, +0 Admin-Free True Cities]
[+2 Temp Econ Resistance, +2 Max Safe Martial]
-Sacred Shore
-Western Wall (In Subordinate)
-Greenshore (In Subordinate) [In Progress 6/9]
Colossal Walls:
None in Core or SubordinatesInterconnectivity (21/52)
[Can gain Cent from roads up to half of max IC value (26/52), any past that will be banked]
[+7 Max Centralization Tolerance (IC/3, round down). 0 Banked Centralization]
[Max IC Formula: 2 + 3*Full_Provinces + Governor's_Palaces]
[Can gain Cent from roads up to half of max IC value (26/52), any past that will be banked]
[+7 Max Centralization Tolerance (IC/3, round down). 0 Banked Centralization]
[Max IC Formula: 2 + 3*Full_Provinces + Governor's_Palaces]
Provinces
[16 Full Provinces - 2 Extra Sec Player Action, 6 Sec Province Actions, 2 Main, 1 Sec Guild Actions]
[Next Action increase: +1 Sec Player Action at 17 Provinces]
[In Progress Provinces]
-Northern Blackriver [0/6][16 Full Provinces - 2 Extra Sec Player Action, 6 Sec Province Actions, 2 Main, 1 Sec Guild Actions]
[Next Action increase: +1 Sec Player Action at 17 Provinces]
[In Progress Provinces]
-Far North-Eastern Redvalley [4/6] <2 Progress is from "Religious Settlement>
[Subordinate Provinces]
<Just ignore this section for now, it's out of date, was only ever my (Abby Normal) guesses, and with the plague and unknown subordinate status, is likely even more wrong than I know>
-Western Wall - 2? Provinces (0? Ready to Integrate)<Just ignore this section for now, it's out of date, was only ever my (Abby Normal) guesses, and with the plague and unknown subordinate status, is likely even more wrong than I know>
-Greenshore - 3 Provinces (0 Ready to Integrate)
-Heaven's Hawk - 1 Province (1 Ready to Integrate) [March, may not be able to expand peacefully?]
-Txolla - 3 Provinces (2 Ready to Integrate) [Underdeveloped; can gain more provinces internally]
-Tinriver - 1 Province (0 Ready to Integrate)
-Thunder Horse - 1 Province (0 Ready to Integrate)
-Amber Road - 1 Province (0 Ready to Integrate) [Immature Trading Post, cannot expand]
Stat Caps
[Base Cap - 26]
[Base is 10 + #Provinces]
[Wealth Cap - 21]
-Base Value (+10)[Base Cap - 26]
[Base is 10 + #Provinces]
[Wealth Cap - 21]
-14 Provinces (+16)
-5 Guild Faction Power (+2.5)
-15 RA Mylathadysm (-7.5)
[Safe Martial Limit - 36 {38}]
[Number in {} is safe "non-primary" martial, which refers to the extra martial we gain from econ, listed in {} on the civ sheet]
-14 Provinces (+16)
-2 Governor's Palaces (+2)
-Palace Arsenal Annexes (+1)
-Iron Age Census (+2)
-International Games (+5)
-Gymnasiums {+2}
Centralization Tolerances:
[Note: Being at a tolerance cap triggers penalties]
[Low Tolerance: - 2]
-Government Base "Neutral" (0)[Note: Being at a tolerance cap triggers penalties]
[Low Tolerance: - 2]
-Legacies (-1)
-2 Governor's Palaces (-1) [-0.5 per GP]
[High Tolerance: 12]
-Government Base "High" (7)-21 Interconnectivity (+7) [+1 per 3 IC]
-Legacies (+2)
-16 Provinces (-2) [-1 per 2 provinces over 12]
-0 Unsupported True Cities (-0) [-1 per Unsupported City. Free Cities and Capital are supported. Governor's Palaces can support 1 city per 3 GPs.]
-2 Governor's Palaces (-2) [-1 per GP]
Miscellaneous
-2 Secondary Gymnasium: +4 to Games Rolls, +2 Safe Non-Primary Martial-Annex Limit: 11/17 [2 (Base) + 8 (#Provinces/2) + 7 (#LandedNonFCSubordinates)] <Note: AN said that the limit usually doesn't decrease, so might still be 18 from our high point)
-Current Reformers Legacy Strength: 1/3 Refund
-Temp Econ Resistance: 12 [-1 (Gov Base) + 2 (Gov + 7 Cent) + 1 (Storehouse Annex) + 2 (2 Governor's Palaces) + 1 (Iron Age Census) + 7 (Mylathadysm @ 15 RA)]
-Updated city list (All regular cities popped from excess EE)
-Updated Interconnectivity section for new provinces and IC from integration
-Updated province section both for integration and to have disclaimer that the subordinate province section is not at all guaranteed to be right, since people kept thinking it was word of AN when copied to front page
-Updated high cent tolerance for integration and popped cities
-Updated annex limit for integration and loss of TS
-Updated TED resistance for RA increase
-Updated Interconnectivity section for new provinces and IC from integration
-Updated province section both for integration and to have disclaimer that the subordinate province section is not at all guaranteed to be right, since people kept thinking it was word of AN when copied to front page
-Updated high cent tolerance for integration and popped cities
-Updated annex limit for integration and loss of TS
-Updated TED resistance for RA increase
Ignore this, these were placeholders, and i asked them during the private conversation where me and primal were helping AN do the stats for this turn
-Gulvalley had no forests or forest usage?
-centralization
-how the hell does the partial martial work out?
-Gulvalley had no forests or forest usage?
-centralization
-how the hell does the partial martial work out?
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