Paths of Civilization
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We will gain prestige next turn which may bump us over the prestige limit.
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Okay, I'm almost convinced not going to war is a good plan. But there is still the problem of allowing the Trelli to become a pirate state stronghold. And we have never had a better time than now to take Trelli. If we ever want to open communications with the Khemetri again, we really should take Trelli.
How much centralization might we lose if we succeed in taking Trelli? Or is this something I should be asking @Academia Nut?
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You're willing to gamble on a maybe, among all the other risks that taking trelli causes?
Good point. We only need 3 Prestige for another Subordinate. I'd be pretty surprised if taking the Straits gave us less than that.
I didn't vote for taking Trelli, but we pretty much gain something like 2-3 prestige every turn from The Games.
And? We were there, you get prestige in exchange for diplo. Nothing too bad, not for a short time. Plus merc can get us a legacy?
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We could support Freehills by hiring out our banner to them. AN said earlier that they already have the best chance of holding Trelli
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We finally spent prestige.
I don't want to hand them Trelli on practically a silver platter. Trelli's position is geographically strong, and really would make a good capital for the empire!
BungieONI
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Good points on not wanting Trelli to become a pirate stronghold, and restoring contact with the Khemetri.
However, there is an option for solving this which entails us not going to war beyond our Banners (which nets us wealth income by the way), but deals with the pirate stronghold problem.
Rent the Banners to Freehills. AN has directly said that right now before anything is done, Freehills is viable competition for Trelli, and that they are interested is a logical conclusion. So if we give them the Banners they will obviously be thankful and our relations improved as we basically install them in Trelli.
The issue with being out of contact with Khem is that the city is in anarchy and the entire area is a mess. If that mess is conquered and subdued then contact can be restored. Helping Freehills take it means that this happens. Even if they do not give us straight access we know that we will still have contact with Khem, since that is how it worked for Trelli when they did not allow us access.
E: There is really no feasible way we can take it ourselves without a massive amount of heartache and headache and risk of death.
Also, Freehills is small enough that diplomancing them into a union or strong alliance and then diplo-annexing them is feasible over time. Or just refugee absorb them. We can play the long con.
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Guys. This is clearly telling us that the tax can cause Loyalty problems. Can we PLEASE choose Vassal support?
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[X] [Attack] Hire out mercenary company
-[X] [Attack] Both
--[X] [Attack] To Freehills
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
To counteract the loss in Loyalty from the food tax. Also begins the long, slow process of culturally integrating everyone to us.
-[X] [Attack] Both
--[X] [Attack] To Freehills
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
To counteract the loss in Loyalty from the food tax. Also begins the long, slow process of culturally integrating everyone to us.
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Yeah. We want them strong because then they can make sure we can trade to our heart's content without investing fucktons of resources into keeping Trelli 1) ours; 2) compliant.
That's the point: stable neighbours who are not hostile are a boon to our trade.
I can trade vassal support vote for vote against attacking Trelli, preferably renting troops to Freehills.
BungieONI
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That would be fucking hilarious to read.
Well, more of a change than a boost. The Tech isn't free, after all.
Except for the first improvement, since our first tech IS free.
And you know, we can spare tech much more easily than Econ...
Wiadi
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Yes, I'm aware those are the success conditions. I'm still not sure why we don't want high Centralization?
Done. Once I vote (in a couple of hours), I will vote for renting troops, not attacking. No promises about renting to Free hills, though; I have to read through the discussion, look at the tally, and think about it too decide.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Some people are afraid of breaking the economy.
High centralization lets us turn it into econ if we need to, so it's a win win.
Stop: Since that statement was in bad faith I'm just going to mark this down as a win
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since that statement was in bad faith i'm just going to mark this down as a win
"Concession accepted" and similar kinds of posts are an incredibly bad way to engage with other users that forms a culture we simply don't want to see on Sufficient Velocity, claiming a "win" in any kind of discussion in this way is very much a violation of rule 4, for which I will infract you 25 poins and award you a three-day threadban.
Have a good day.
Have a good day.
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This is the line of thought you're up against.
We want the ironworks to have a free Megaproject.
I have no idea why people are going for [Policy] City support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn).
State your argument against infrastructure. I mean I know Vassal Support is needed because of unruly subordinates, but we can tank the hit for one turn.
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