I hate relativism but like...:

*points at mercury*
*points at vitriol*
*points at sacred warding*
*points at aqueduct system*
*points at iron*
*points at hospitals*
*points at random other innovations*



"Modern Science" developed as a result of archives, microscopes, and philosophy. We have 2/3.

Even then, after we had microscopes et. al, we still made up hocus pocus to explain what the dinosaurs were(, still refused consider that physics might apply to living things, still refused to consider that maybe we shouldn't spray pesticides literally everywhere) until people were like "what if things change bro??" Literally all they need is to realize that evolution is a thing, that their bones aren't the same animal, etc.

They have the bones, they have dogs that are different from each other, it's not the biggest leap.
People work w/ what they have.
Yea I know, that's why I said it can be useful, but in this case its just Humorous bs.
 
I'm sure society would advance that much more quickly by disregarding all unsupported floating ideas. It's not like people would care to invest time and efforts to prove and disprove those obviously valueless thoughts.:V
Not sure what you mean? Like at this point we can't really do that, but Snake bat Iron Obsidian dragon, is definitely one that we should reject without it having further evidence to prove its existence, but can't do that either really...
 
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Just realized something... the Welsh word for demon, Cythraul, looks and sounds like Cthulhu.

Was Lovecraft paranoid about the Welsh of all people?
Lovecraft was paranoid about a LOT of things, among them minorities and fish.
Also, lived entirely on baked beans and candy, so he may have suffered from malnutrition induced hallucinations.
The man was a mess.
 
Just for fun:
If we can build a governor's palace in each true city, and we completely build up each true city's infrastructure then we can have up to 11 true cities. In addition to this, we'd need 7 more storehouses to have 12 cities, or 16 more storehouses to have 13 cities

Each city can provide 6 to the econ expansion cap.

City 01: 20 +1 (storehouse) + 6 - 0 = 27
City 02: 27 + 6 - 04 = 29
City 03: 29 + 6 - 05 = 30
City 04: 30 + 6 - 06 = 30
City 05: 30 + 6 - 07 = 29
City 06: 29 + 6 - 08 = 27
City 07: 27 + 6 - 09 = 24
City 08: 24 + 6 - 10 = 20
City 09: 20 + 6 - 11 = 15
City 10: 15 + 6 - 12 = 09
City 11: 09 + 6 - 13 = 02
City 12: 02 + 6 - 14 = -6
City 13: 02 + 6 - 14 = -15

Aqueduct +1
Bath +1
Significant Walls +1
Massive Walls +1
Collossal Walls +1
Capital/Governor's Palace +1
= +6

Yes, a sum would have been better.
 
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It is, but you keep implying that they made it up out of thin air(which is not true) as opposed from previously understood information as they know it.
Well its half and half, they have a bunch of bones and they put it together to make a snake, bat, Obsidian, Iron, Vitriol spraying Dragon.
Edit: basically, it is infact made up, it may have been based somewhere in reality, but that doesn't suddenly make it all true
 
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Well its half and half, they have a bunch of bones and they put it together to make a snake, bat, Obsidian, Iron, Vitriol spraying Dragon.
If you saw the bones of giant bat wings and reptiles buried in stone deep within the Earth, when you have never seen a creature large enough to make bones anywhere near this size, what would you assume the bones to be from?
 
Well its half and half, they have a bunch of bones and they put it together to make a snake, bat, Obsidian, Iron, Vitriol spraying Dragon.
*shrug*

They got all that from preexisting information. If some of it is wrong, fine. But that is not inventing stuff up just to say I do not know. It is presenting a hypothesis based on what they know.
 
Edit: basically, it is infact made up, it may have been based somewhere in reality, but that doesn't suddenly make it all true
same w/ evolution, gravity, and p much everything except math
edit: tho math is like... 100% made up so I guess we can include it

everything is made up, based somewhere in reality, but isn't suddenly made all true
 
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If you saw the bones of giant bat wings and reptiles buried in stone deep within the Earth, when you have never seen a creature large enough to make bones anywhere near this size, what would you assume the bones to be from?
That's a bad comparison, i'd just shrug and say IDK wtf it is
*shrug*

They got all that from preexisting information. If some of it is wrong, fine. But that is not inventing stuff up just to say I do not know. It is presenting a hypothesis based on what they know.
The thing is all they know is there are bones really. Everything else is speculation and belief
Hmmm, that's true, but we have a little more credibility with that at least, since its not based on JUST 99% belief and 1% physical bones
 
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Just for fun:
If we can build a governor's palace in each true city, and we completely build up each true city's infrastructure then we can have up to 11 true cities. In addition to this, we'd need 7 more storehouses to have 12 cities, or 16 more storehouses to have 13 cities
Thanks for the math.

Do we know whether free cities pop? And whether they factor differently into the calculations?

ETA I think 6 True Cities plus 2-3 Free Cities would be a good target. That's enough to feed them all with one Main Expand Econ, not counting the possibilities of City Support policies, and the innovation levels would be excellent. What's nice is that the more cities we add, the more passive policies we get that help us build up tolerance for moar.
 
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Given the models of dinosaurs I grew up with as a child are all now considered laughably inaccurate, and I can recall when suggestions dinosaurs might have had feathers or evolved into birds was likely to see you deemed a crackpot without any supporting evidence, I am inclined to be charitable to the Ymaryn in the issue of dragons.

Given psychic crows and precognition, they may be more on the mark than those of us who are assuming these are 'just' dinosaur bones. It's not like we have enough evidence to support that idea either at this point in-story.
 
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That's a bad comparison, i'd just shrug and say IDK wtf it is

The thing is all they know is there are bones really. Everything else is speculation and belief

Hmmm, that's true, but we have a little more credibility with that at least, since its not based on 99% belief and 1% physical bones
We're a Society that Values Wisdom, and we literally can't just say "I don't know" and shrug when faced with something we don't know.

When we find something, our Priests try to find out what it is, how it got where it was, what it does (if anything), and so on.
They don't just give up on something and declare that it is unknowable or whatever, they make an explanation based on their prior knowledge about other things they believe to be correct.
 
We're a Society that Values Wisdom, and we literally can't just say "I don't know" and shrug when faced with something we don't know.

When we find something, our Priests try to find out what it is, how it got where it was, what it does (if anything), and so on.
They don't just give up on something and declare that it is unknowable or whatever, they make an explanation based on their prior knowledge about other things they believe to be correct.
We can't? How is that wisdom then? Step one is to admit that you don't know and THEN to discover what it is, but pretty sure our priest tried to do that to chuckle worthy results.
 
Was Lovecraft paranoid about the Welsh of all people?
Well, uh, supposedly he wrote the short story "The Rats in the Wall" (a story about a man going insane after discovering that his ancestors farmed other humans who they treated like pigs and ate.) because he discovered one of his great great grandmothers was Welsh.

So... yeah.... he might have been a bit paranoid about the Welsh?
 
Well, uh, supposedly he wrote the short story "The Rats in the Wall" (a story about a man going insane after discovering that his ancestors farmed other humans who they treated like pigs and ate.) because he discovered one of his great great grandmothers was Welsh.

So... yeah.... he might have been a bit paranoid about the Welsh?
The Welsh are just biding their time until they can summon Satan, and Ragnorak together for a blood and human corpse orgy to doom the world... Obviously.
 
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