Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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I think it was in the very early game. Back when we still had a Big Man and all.
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VoidZero
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It's an ancient lost spooky wall~~~~ It might jump out when you are walking/driving.
The architecture style and building quality was ghastly.
Umi-san
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pbluekan
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I get it but I don't think you're right.
Which policies would be more valuable? First let's establish the value of Vassal Support. It allows us an extra subordinate slot, which we don't need, but the leeway is nice. It gives +1 loyalty to a vassal per turn. This is amazing as it will likely target the least loyal vassal, which does quite a lot to keep them in line. It also provides a steady outflow of our culture, religion, and overall influence. This is slow, but it makes everyone around us turn into us. Just look at Western Wall. They've remained completely loyal and almost totally independent for centuries and have cause zero problems. This is because they are extremely similar to us culturally and societally.
The fact is, we can't afford to be constantly taking low level influence actions. Setting a passive policy to do it is our only real recourse.
Let's look at the other policies. What do they offer?
Infrastructure? We are already churning out more of that than we know what to do with.
Forestry? It's looking like the .5 drip per turn is enough with Personal Stewards, and any more would reduce our Expand Econ Slots too much.
Stats? We have so much drip income into our various stats that a +1 is just laughable. Maaaaybe tech, but we have enough tech income from our mysticism and culture drips.
Innovation? We do a shitload of this already and more is never bad, but it's a chance based thing and we get more innovation done through our actions.
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We declared an offensive war because our priest told us to.
We also launched a war on the Xoh because of religious reasons.
The legacy we just got us a Cb against all the things to launch an offensive war against anyone we choose to when something big happens in the sky.
And the economic efficiencies of iron tools over bronze led to vastly more effective and resilient harvests.
Actually false.
Influence does not end Golden Age if your income compensates for it on the same turn. It only checks at the start of the mid/main turn and ignores order of execution.
Not every turn.
Every 2-4 turns or so. AN said it's the same as an untargeted Secondary Support Subordinate every 2 turns.
Also on Infrastructure, we have a LOT of very expensive infrastructure that we don't have the actions to build. Gymnasiums, Baths and Libraries for every city alone would take a lot of passive infra
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Hyacinthium
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How do you feel about Art Patronage?
pbluekan
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Our subordinates are all currently loyal. For the short and mid term this is fine. Add in a passive vassal support or two, and we can at least have some breathing room. Why do you think a GA would last long enough for a rebellion to be a problem?
We will either run out of stats or a shiny will pop up and the thread will grab it, thus ending the golden age.
Umi-san
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as long as we don't both integrate and influence on the same main turn diplo's [+6] should make it stay red, then. We only need >0 stat maxed, correct?
it was just so that people responding to me wouldn't have to put something in
I originally put in a . but then was like "@pblur didn't know what the hell this was so I guess I'll tell others..."
We are at zero roads though. We are currently trying to spread some basic trails trough our territory. After that we will probably just get the option to do some fancier stuff.
Hyacinthium
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Much hundred years. Very musnt end. Will bite if murder gold. Wow.
You done did me a frighten.
It went to Google maps to a nature reserve slash national park near where I live.
You done did me a frighten.
Umi-san
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While this is assuredly a long-term problem, in the near future we plan on integrating which will expand the # of available roads. Also, as the other person noted, we might still get an "improve road" action instead. Might offer lowered cent bonuses in exchange for diminished econ costs or something like that.
oh sorry
I altered it so that it won't stalk you
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I dance the happy dance.
Population explosion is unlikely. We can probably get babyboom back by reaching 18 econ expansion.
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Decided to update and post my EP tracker before doing the full analysis post, since its a good discrete section and doesn't actually have many differences yet:
-Sacred Forest [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls] (23 EE Threshold)
-Redshore [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls] (20 EE Threshold) [Baths In Progress: 2/3]
-Stallion Pen [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls] (16 EE Threshold)
-Redhills [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls] (11 EE Threshold)
-Lower Valleyhome [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls] (4 EE Threshold)
-Greenshore Capital [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls?] (In Subordinate)
-Western Wall Capital [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls?] (In Subordinate) [Governor's Palace in Progress 6/9]
-Valleyhome (True City)
-Valleyhome (Palace Annex x2 = 1 National Library)
-Stallion Pen (Temple)
-Dragon Graveyard in Stallion Province (Lv 1 + Natural Wonder)
-Northshore (Lv 1 Saltern)
-Heaven's Hawk (Lv 1 Salt Mine) (In Subordinate, Applies to Core Anyway)
True Cities And Relevant Infrastructure
[6 Potential cities, 20 Base Threshold):
-Valleyhome [Aqueduct, Baths, Sig. Walls, Capital, Palace] (25 EE Threshold)[6 Potential cities, 20 Base Threshold):
-Sacred Forest [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls] (23 EE Threshold)
-Redshore [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls] (20 EE Threshold) [Baths In Progress: 2/3]
-Stallion Pen [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls] (16 EE Threshold)
-Redhills [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls] (11 EE Threshold)
-Lower Valleyhome [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls] (4 EE Threshold)
-Greenshore Capital [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls?] (In Subordinate)
-Western Wall Capital [Aqueduct, Sig. Walls?] (In Subordinate) [Governor's Palace in Progress 6/9]
Libraries:
[Total effect: 2 Mysticism Refund]
-Sacred Forest (Temple, Megaproject, +1 Refund by itself)[Total effect: 2 Mysticism Refund]
-Valleyhome (True City)
-Valleyhome (Palace Annex x2 = 1 National Library)
-Stallion Pen (Temple)
Temples
[3 Total Temple Levels, 1 Natural Wonder]:
-Sacred Forest in Sacred Shore (Lv 2)[3 Total Temple Levels, 1 Natural Wonder]:
-Dragon Graveyard in Stallion Province (Lv 1 + Natural Wonder)
Salterns/Salt Mines:
[Support: 2 Trade Posts, 1 Grand Docks]
[Total Effect: +3 Wealth/turn]
-Southshore (Lv 1 Saltern)[Support: 2 Trade Posts, 1 Grand Docks]
[Total Effect: +3 Wealth/turn]
-Northshore (Lv 1 Saltern)
-Heaven's Hawk (Lv 1 Salt Mine) (In Subordinate, Applies to Core Anyway)
Governor's Palace:
[Total Effect: -0 Min Centralization Tolerance, +0 Admin-Free True Cities]
-Western Wall (In Subordinate) [6/9 In Progress][Total Effect: -0 Min Centralization Tolerance, +0 Admin-Free True Cities]
Colossal Walls:
None in Core or Subordinates
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Hyacinthium
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The park had a ymaryn ish name too. Maybe playing horror games in daylight just makes the scary migrate and not disappear.
Umi-san
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baby boom is more dependent on weather & health innovations
GA will lead to a smaller trickle of immigrants but no major births.
If you want more births Study Health or maybe do the Triangle Canal.
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This one just makes it show up near my current location.
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Umi-san
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@Academia Nut How much of that 5 million was already existing in TS & TH
Look, are you saying we must take multiple vassal support's here? If so, how many are you thinking about?
I have already said I'm alright with having one, I'm constantly saying we don't need more than that.
VoidZero
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Keep your cat close to you.
Anime taught us well treated pet shields the bumbling owner from deadly things.Also, listen to some nonsense while playing to break immersion. I recommend parliamentary debates.
Umi-san
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Wow, okay, I vote that we make at least 10 vassal support policies.
The way it will work is we just keep making true cities and converting them into free cities. Free cities pay for themselves, right? So we just need to cover the entire lowlands with one free city after another and it will all be okay because they'll be influenced by our vassal support policy into being clones of us.
The way it will work is we just keep making true cities and converting them into free cities. Free cities pay for themselves, right? So we just need to cover the entire lowlands with one free city after another and it will all be okay because they'll be influenced by our vassal support policy into being clones of us.
So you don't care about the fact that Academia Nut said that if we don't use Support/Influence subordinate with our newest vassals while they are still in shambles, they are gonna bounce back and try to go independent again?
VoidZero
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I don't think having the centralization ceiling lower than the centralization floor is a good idea.
(Free or true cities decreases ceiling by 1 right?)It would be a sight to see.