What are you specifically asking for? That's what the Priests are claiming if we follow what they ask of us.
Paths of Civilization
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What are you specifically asking for? That's what the Priests are claiming if we follow what they ask of us.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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[X] Yes (Forfeits the CB against the Highlanders, declares war against the Thunder Horse, brings Yenyna out of retirement, ???)
To add to the discussion, were several turns overdue for the Pop Explosion to downgrade, so even without anything else to go wrong that'd prove the prophecy right if we pick no and don't keep being lucky.
To add to the discussion, were several turns overdue for the Pop Explosion to downgrade, so even without anything else to go wrong that'd prove the prophecy right if we pick no and don't keep being lucky.
And when astrology doesn't work they will revise it. They will create new areas of study, new things to think about. The religious cast will delve further and further into study of things as opposed to just interpretation of stories past. This divergence will continue until there are people specifically devoted to studying and whose positions of interest are largely divorced from religion.
Philosophy is not science in and of itself. It is a methodology of thinking that can completely and totally be carried out in isolation to the world at large. Much of philosophy is done in rooms where some people argue about stuff they do not have any notable proof for, instead considering and thinking about how to form and express the arguments themselves. In some cases this is good, in others not so much.
What this is, however, is using actual data to back arguments, and then finding new data when old predictions fail. It's the difference between arguing why the gods would favor one roll on a die over another, using stories and the natures of gods along with well reasoned arguments to determine what is happening and gathering a crap load of data on all the die rolls and all the conditions under which the die was rolled and the results to determine why the die rolls do what they do and how to predict them in the future.
Those are not the same thing. The second is much closer to scientific study as we understand it in the modern day.
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I have every confidence that the HK will try to stab us in the back as soon as we seem distracted by the Thunder Horse.
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- New York
[X] No (???)
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- Germany
I dearly hope so if "Yes" wins.
As someone who jokingly uses Highlands Delende Est (I don't actually hate them. I just think they're a problem that needs to be dealt with) I'm hoping that forgiving the target of Nemesis Fashion will lead to a path of diplomatic takeover via cultural understanding and aggressive friendship.
Either that or they back stab us and we eat them anyway.
Sure there is. It's been conclusively disproven IRL, but we can definitely form correlations between events via weird and obtuse math. When the stars align in X fashion then either Y or Z happens, as determined by W. Multiply that by a few dozen times and it becomes a convoluted chain that's hard to casually follow.
It's likely that it's false. I'm not denying that. However, I want to prove it false, which is a heck of a lot easier to do by assuming invulnerability and then being proven wrong.
The alternative is to ignore it and have the priests angry at us when something inevitably goes wrong, and now they have strong proof that it works.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Our society can't reject astrology until we have evidence of it not working, because Love of Wisdom means we value evidence and not what does or doesn't make sense to our priests. Going along with the superstition and watching it fail is the best way to prove to all of Ymaryn that the stars are not to be trusted.
NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
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- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
The problem here is that players are emotionally invested in the quest; which speaks voles of Academia Nut's writing & worldbuilding abilities.Less salt?
If players were not emotionally invested, however, that would decrease the quality of the quest as players would be less motivated to make the correct choices.
(All of us growing up, to stop being infantile and petty would be harder than peace in the Middle East, sadly.)
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Bulk goods will be available soonish.
Desdydyn looks like an old priest, white hair done up in dozens of braids for his beard and hair, with a bit of balding on top. Rich clothing stitched with black and green threads and trimmed with violet edges.
They must be idiots.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
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- Ranch
It was quite peaceful in the age of imperialism. If you discount banditry and occasional Tribal and or other spats.
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- Location
- New Zealand
[X] Yes (Forfeits the CB against the Highlanders, declares war against the Thunder Horse, brings Yenyna out of retirement, ???)
This could be legit magic, or this could be a priest taking Tormulyna's hard work and lying to us with it, taking advantage of his position of trust as a means to further his personal agenda.
Personally, I think this is the stars giving Yenyna a chance to finally complete her revenge for her brother's death and complete her spiritual duties properly, whatever they are. I'm ok with giving her that.
This could be legit magic, or this could be a priest taking Tormulyna's hard work and lying to us with it, taking advantage of his position of trust as a means to further his personal agenda.
Personally, I think this is the stars giving Yenyna a chance to finally complete her revenge for her brother's death and complete her spiritual duties properly, whatever they are. I'm ok with giving her that.
If we pick Blindly Obey Astrology, and it doesn't work, we will have successfully tested the tech we got from the Khem and proven it useless. If it does work, it's plausible that magic actually exists here, but it's not proven. Arguably by blindly disregarding the possibility of magic in this setting based on real life, we could be ignoring one of the core parts of LoW(see bolded). And it's not like Tormulyna is conjuring these numbers out of thin air, the priests have worked this prediction out with all the logic and LoW they have access to.
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That somehow reminds me of the story of a soldier who bought a charm that was supposed to make him bulletproof and then sued for a refund when it turned out that an AK-47 beats New Age frippery.
I'm actually starting to come around to your point of view, but it still amounts to bashing your head against a brick wall to prove that it hurts.
To be fair, they may have saved the People when they did so. The Thunder Horse might not have folded so fast otherwise, so Yenya could have been stuck there too long to come help with the Highlanders and the Khemetri.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
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@Academia Nut, But wool and products was a (rather pricey) luxury good for much of it history!
OK to be fair it took a few centuries of very selective breeding to get it to the silk rival that it was in the medieval and renaissance eras. But we could speed up the process.
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Can I just say that I love the recent development of our shamans combing through our mentally unstable to see if they can find anything they excell at? Most civilizations would just lock up, abandon, or attempt to "fix" such a family member. But because of our Dragon General's recent success instead of trying to surpress people with autism or trying to correct our idiot savants our shamans are now allowing them to flourish.
I'm guessing it helps that our people view the mentally ill as housing a spirit or demon (a spirit if they are in some way helpful or a demon if they are dangerous to those around them).
I'm guessing it helps that our people view the mentally ill as housing a spirit or demon (a spirit if they are in some way helpful or a demon if they are dangerous to those around them).
By the way @Academia Nut was the +1 Stability for being over 10 wealth now off the board this turn? Otherwise we should be at at least 3 stability. One for enforce justice, one for completing the yeoman quest, and one for the over 10 wealth stab bonus.
But how would you know it hurts if noone has ever bashed their head on a wall? only if someone bashes their head against a wall and goes HOLY SHIT that HURT, do we know it's actually harmfull
Which ushered in iron! And literally was a damn near perfect time! Worse, if we start purposely tanking our civilization, it will be incredibly obvious, and something the priests can point to as the reason the prophecy didn't happen! This is literally testing gravity's effect on acceleration by dropping a bowling ball and a piece of paper: you're testing the wrong variables!
Concho117
Going really fast!
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- Somewhere in Orbit
New Map.
Pirates got ROFLstomped and TH are at war with SF(now Hamurri):
Pirates got ROFLstomped and TH are at war with SF(now Hamurri):
Hey @Academia Nut how's the new map coming? I really want to update the not!Levant on the StratMap.
PyroTechno
The Procrastination Pokemon
Half the thread said:
please no