[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[X] [Inv] Highland Kingdom
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
 
This thread has managed to make me so salted that I've gone from disappointed and annoyed to disgusted to Gordon Ramsay.

The worst part was people complaining about the difficulty increase after getting iron a thousand years early and consistently being reminded about how much better we are at every turn.

A shitty caricature requires not being one hundred percent accurate. And if you're going to say I'm just as bad then you have zero legs to stand on. Congratulations! We're all shit here and you have some trouble understanding that a strawman can't be set on fire if it doesn't exist =^]
Just be more explicit who your caricature is targeting. Me? Karugus? People who want war with the Highlanders? The Terrifiers? The genociders?

Because if it's the genociders, Karugus has been relentlessly mocking them.
 
Still don't understand why such a vast majority choose trails; when this corruption has been clearly a thing for decades, when we have a limited opportunity of an admin hero, and as mentioned we get benefits for having higher centralization from more econ damage buffer and it enables us to be more flexible on the Wildcat options.
We were told (WoAN) our roads were trash-tier, compared to the rest of our Civ, and that we would need more Centralization Cap, Soon™.

C'est la vie
 
They betrayed us twice and there was a century between the two occasions.
The image I have of them leaves me with no doubt that when we have any sort of crisis and they are in relatively good shape that they would strike at us rather than help us even indirectly.

In any case, I too shall be keeping tabs on the counts of betrayal. Would the pattern of three convince you, if it happened?
 
You're greatly underselling the issue.

There is a significant amount of corruption in our civilisation and it's not just in Redshore. It needs to be rooted out swiftly or else the corruption will get worse and be more difficult to take out.

They didn't cut corners on the docks but in general construction standards.

Besides, what evidence do you have that this is because of guilds, and not the myriad of issues mentioned in the update?
One thing to keep in mind is that all of our fire-response info is from unreliable narrators. There's a pretty good chance that this is or will be evolving into showing us the viewpoints of various factions.

Which... means understanding is a 4-edged sword. Faction 1's side, Faction 2's side, Faction 3's side, and the truth.
The last time we did Main Restore Order with a Heroic Admin we evolved the action. I really hope that happens again this time around.
Actually, last time was during climate issues, and she crit the roll. No evolution, but we did get an overflow of stability into megaproject from it.
 
@Academia Nut
Internation games say additional 2 max martial, does that mean it gives +2 from the games and then another +2 from international games?
 
Hey, I'm not saying they're not backstabbers, I just thought that "chronic backstabbing disorder so big that even Ghandi is too impatient and intolerant to deal with" was a teensy bit much.
 
Really ? Because were effectively going with killing some of the oldest people we know and take their stuff. In fact we been treating new people nicer, The wolves? We payed them not to attack us? The tin tribes? I don't think anyone even suggested attacking them yet, Trelli had some war wanters however a lot of people (me included) argued against that. The Khemetri we were only at war with because we refuse to give up land to newcomers. Hell we haven't even made plans to attack either of the Thunder persons yet.
Now take your high-minded attitude and stuff it.
I can honestly say that your awful post formatting means I never really read your posts. But sure people totally didn't want to stomp the Khemetri after one trader was rude to us in Trelli. Whom upon meeting many people wanted to burn down. Deny the oldest tradition of this thread. The only reason the Thunder Horse even exist as they are is because we set them loose in the low lands.

The wolves had two hero units, weren't connected to us by land, and part of that bribe was asking them not to wreck people. At least one person did recommend going after them. And going back, eliminate the Metal Workers for Discovering Iron was actually voted for but others slapped it down. Myself included.

Gee the warmongers really didn't like iron age cometh.
 
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You know it seems like as king of the hill we are slowly morphing such that our neighbors adapt to us even further then they have already to survive our Econ Vampirism.

Which is really weird to see that we are basically inputting selection pressures on our neighbors for reals now.
You can hear the social system strain ringing out from the future into our time.
Well, our selection pressures:
-Cosmopolitan Acceptance line means that our neighbors adapt one or more of the following solutions:
--Negate or offset Stability loss immediately on trigger.
---We've learned Theocracies can deflect Stab hits into RA with some combo.
--Maintain deep Economy reserves with Econ fountain traits.
---Western Confederacy and Hathatyn developed Pioneering Spirit and Wildcat Prospecting routes of Econ backing.
--Gain ability to restore Stability for low or no Economy cost
---Highland Kingdom developed Order Above All
---Xohyssiri developed Greater Good -> Moloch Calls
--Maintain high Centralization to NOT trigger refugees all the time. Impossible for most of history due to Lowland contests

-Cosmopolitan Acceptance also resulted in a systematic removal of dissident forces from neighbors, leading them to become static socially by offsetting their Stability losses until the point they suddenly collapse.

-Mass dominance of trade goods suppresses Center of Trade cultures due to suicide pact results happening when they have to fight the turtle focused Ymaryn for trade dominances.
--Trelli's adaptation allowed them to take advantage of our dominances, but also trapped them into trade dependency upon us.

-Early Code of Laws led to early adoption of legal systems in neighbors, with incidental focus on taxation and wealth redistribution.

-Early iron development led to acceleration of metallurgy development in general to catch up, which both produced unusually prominent smith castes and fueled an immense demand for slave labor.

-Ymaryn becoming primary Nomad Magnet and our Marches scouring the local steppes of hostile nomad forces means that our regional steppe neighbors are underprepared for truly major raids...until they bounce off the Ymaryn and go destroy everything in the area instead.

-A defensive King of the Hill with massive defense bonuses and punishing King of the Hill CBs brutally encourages alternative forms of gaining power, which in turn incentivizes lesser powers to prey upon each other to bulk up sufficiently first, or to develop grand coalitions to take the crown.
--And then we introduce the Games, which gives them the HOPE of Taking the Crown, but they would have to invest a lot into our values to make it work.

Why only a Secondary? A Main is near guaranteed to get us into max Stability and will root out a hell of a lot more corruption. Better to do it as much as possible now so that the miscellaneous routes to corruption can be identified by our Heroic Admin and shut down in the best ways possible.

Because we only get 1 Main or 2 Secondaries in the Mid Turn reaction.
Actually, they have a river-way to Highland Kingdom - if they really want to attack, they could rush-built barges and come from their rear.

Hadn't seen said river on the AN set maps, but unless the river as as big as the Nile that's not a very good attack vector. The Khemetri ships take a pretty deep draft.


But if they do it is fine by us, since that'd trigger Cosmopolitan Acceptance as we eat up the other side of the HK by eating all their settlements in the pass and to the north like we did for the Hathatyn when the Highlanders took a swing at them. We ended up taking more land than the Highlanders did that time too.

Still don't understand why such a vast majority choose trails; when this corruption has been clearly a thing for decades, when we have a limited opportunity of an admin hero, and as mentioned we get benefits for having higher centralization from more econ damage buffer and it enables us to be more flexible on the Wildcat options.
A few reasons:
-We needed the Trails to generate enough Diplomacy to use Terrify. Moot now with the Games
-We needed the Centralization to maintain an open buffer for Wildcat.
-We needed the Centralization cap increase to handle Cities.
-Part of the corruption problem was the terrible roads preventing the central administration from getting a good grip on what's going on. Poor roads means local authorities have more leeway.

Though if you want to catch the criminals, it's Restore Order to investigate and purge the problems via an Admin roll.
Enforce Justice tries to solve the problem by legislating it away, but doesn't do anything about eliminating the offenders directly.
 
[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] Yes (2 Econ and 2 Econ expansion transferred, Redshore becomes a Free City)
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takescontrol while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
 
Hey, I'm not saying they're not backstabbers, I just thought that "chronic backstabbing disorder so big that even Ghandi is too impatient and intolerant to deal with" was a teensy bit much.
Point. As to whether my image of the Highlanders as they are will hold though, only AN can tell in time. For now, treat it as a hyperbole. :)
 
The image I have of them leaves me with no doubt that when we have any sort of crisis and they are in relatively good shape that they would strike at us rather than help us even indirectly.

In any case, I too shall be keeping tabs on the counts of betrayal. Would the pattern of three convince you, if it happened?
On a historical scale over a century is a rather short span.
Three times, I count Intrigue Actions.

And those are the ones we know about.

At least one person did recommend going after them.
That would be me. Paying Danegeld means the Danes come looking for more. But paying them was, in hindsight, the correct call; although we didn't know about the Khemetri invasion.
 
[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Kinda mediocre (Mediocre Admin, Diplo, and Martial)
 
This is incorrect. Enforce Justice is about bringing more cases before the central authority, not about making new laws.
My understanding is that Enforce Justice is essentially running an audit on local chiefs. That CAN lead to new laws to fill in loopholes or whatever. And it can also lead to people being brought to trial (by local authorities or central authorities depending on which is appropriate.)
 
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Just be more explicit who your caricature is targeting. Me? Karugus? People who want war with the Highlanders? The Terrifiers? The genociders?

Because if it's the genociders, Karugus has been relentlessly mocking them.
How is a post that grows more deranged over time, culminating in another post that concludes total world domination, and extermination of everyone close by; not completely and utterly explicit to whom the post is mimicking? When a large amount of my posts have always been about how mindnumbingly stupid and inane the aggressive 'KILL THEM' genocide happy asshats are?

Tell me, at what point does someone become so deliberately obtuse that they take personal offence at something that has little to do with them?

And again, not a caricature. It was one hundred percent accurate. I can go back and find direct quotes if you want. But the delenda est tag exists. It's also spelt wrong, and the first Google results include Islam/Isis Delenda est and Breitbart. I'm pretty sure you can gather where I'm going with this.
 
My understanding is that Enforce Justice is essentially running an audit on local chiefs. That CAN lead to new laws to fill in loopholes or whatever. And it can also lead to people being brought to trial (by local authorities or central authorities depending on which is appropriate.)
This is Enforce Justice:
he could simply increase the enforcement of law in general and force more cases to be brought before his review
 
Three times, I count Intrigue Actions.

And those are the ones we know about.


That would be me. Paying Danegeld means the Danes come looking for more. But paying them was, in hindsight, the correct call; although we didn't know about the Khemetri invasion.
Funny but I didn't see you. I meant someone else, who hasn't been here since. The hatewagon was too focused on blabbering about the Metal Workers and everyone else was content to bribe the double hero nomads into leaving.
 
Restore Order is crackdowns and such. It purges corruption and due to our system, places without corruption stay stable and do not fall back into corruption on their own.
 
If not Egypt is the breadbasket of the ancient world. Are we the ACE hardwood store for all your wood needs?. Than we need all different trees from different countries.
 
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