- Location
- Philippines
They cut corners! Had this not been discovered early we would have a shodilly built grand docks.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
Clerk is best as clerk. Clerk as king is distracted by non-admin duties, and takes over turn.
Taking over turn means good admin choices, but no war. Very much doubt war is good admin choice.
Yenyna is bad king choice. Not bad king, but unnecessary king, and unhappy king. Can serve as general while not king.
Mediocre king is best. Let the heroes focus on hero-ing their respective jobs.
Taking over turn means good admin choices, but no war. Very much doubt war is good admin choice.
Yenyna is bad king choice. Not bad king, but unnecessary king, and unhappy king. Can serve as general while not king.
Mediocre king is best. Let the heroes focus on hero-ing their respective jobs.
I was never particularly angry at them, I did find it odd that there was so much more emotional outrage at the HKs rather than the Khem or the TS yeah. But emotional outrage was never the reason for war with the HK, it was about their location and the fact they'd been shown to be utterly intractable about seeking our destruction.
The reason to invite the TS is as we don't plan to go to war with them hopefully if they join the games they'll perhaps be a bit less interested in war with us next time around, and if not they'll give some diplo and prestige.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'm honestly gonna say I'm not optimistic in this regard.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
[X] [Inv] Hill Kingdom
On a phone, so this'll have to do for now.
Certain voters have even been calling them Thunder Friends!
On a phone, so this'll have to do for now.
We were friends with the Thunder Horse way back when they were just nomads passing through!HK was once our friend, while TH never where, so it somehow makes sense to crush HK while letting TH live.
Less snippy, it makes strategic sense because HK are geographically positioned in a way that lets them endanger us on a lot of fronts and cut off a big chunk of our empire - Hatvalley. It is utterly amoral (not immoral, amoral) strategic calculus, but it makes sense.
Certain voters have even been calling them Thunder Friends!
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
*has a blast of nostalgia*
Damn, haven't seen that name in a while.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
They didn't cut corners on the docks but in general construction standards.
Besides, what evidence do you have that this is because of guilds, and not the myriad of issues mentioned in the update?
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Do remember this: If we don't invite Thunder Horse just like we didn't invite HK...
And then we Conquer the HK...
What exactly do you think they will believe shall happen next?
Welcome to one thing that people need to learn to accept.
Realpolitik.
NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
- Location
- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
It would help if the voters didn't keep picking Admin-kun after WoAN announced he was unlikely to pick War, and absolutely would not if the HK were invited. But look - almost 30 votes for inviting HK, and 90% of votes asking for Admin-King.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
We'll kindly ignore that I was the main guy calling them that...
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Yes and about 68 for everyone else.
- Location
- France
I don't think the TS actually meant to attack us at the same time as everyone else, rather, they were on a conquest feast and we just happen to be next after the Thunderspeaker.
In a way, they are kind of honest, like the Nomads
The Highlander have clearly tried to kill us twice though, maybe more if we count the action of their intrigue king.
NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
- Location
- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
Me neither.
SoS: only ~40% of the voterbase
NaoP: Only? When the threshold is 50%???
Let me just shut up now. Not much more I can say to change people's minds. Maybe the dice gods will bless us.
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I am tempted to switch, but the fact there's both the chance Admin takes the fight or he dies before CB expires as well as the fact we've been told it's quite likely we have or at least had a foreign nations (HK) spy ring infiltrated our criminal elements which are currently getting somewhat out of control makes me wonder if we shouldn't just go for the pretty good odds we get the chance after he dies or when he takes it.
That way we clean house first rather than the HK using their intrigue to exacerbate things further while we're at war with a king that isn't at all suited to counter it. It is a pretty greedy strategy though.
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I have to admit I find it perplexing, too. At the very least he should give a resting period at some point
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
How exactly is simple logical realpolitik why do you assume that I had magically not realized this? Dotdotdot
You might wanna tone down your attitude friendo. The bolding and melodrama isn't necessary and somehow I'm not a stupid child =v
Dotdotdot
- Location
- France
Don't forget the storm Wolves!
Highland Kingdom: What?!? They invited the Barbarian Nomad but not us?!?
Yet you didn't address the potential results of not inviting either of the two kindgoms and then immediately after conquering one of them.
Dotdotdot.
I doubt they have any concept of a barbarian nomad.
[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[X] [Inv] Highland Kingdom
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
[X] [Inv] Highland Kingdom
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin, Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takes control while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
- Location
- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
We have WoAN that CB duration is 2-3 turns, and our Admin lives 1-2 turns. If our CB is 2 turns and our Admin lives 2, we just passed up the chance to deal with the threat.
Secondly, we are not alone. We are not the only actor.
What happens if Khemetri conquer them while Admin-chan twiddles his thumbs? Some would say, great! But then the Khemetri would have invasion routes directly into our heartland, we'd have left st the chance for a convex (and therefore, more defendable) border, and because of our blood connection between our nobles and that of the Khemetri, we'd have to let the Status Quo lie.
What could be worse than that?
Nomad invasion and the HK decide to go for a fourth (lol) round. Because we're picking a trash Martial King, and our Genius Martial Hero is likely to die within 1-2 turns, we could be driven to the brink - exactly like the last few times the Highlanders turned on us.
I'm having trouble comprehending why people don't understand the scale of the threat.
And now I'm going to go read a Worm fic or something. Because I can tell when I'm approaching Dangerous Sodium levels.
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pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
[X] [WB] Upgrade Cosmopolitan Acceptance
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin,Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takescontrol while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
[X] [Inv] Trelli
[X] [Inv] Thunder Horse
[X] [Inv] Swamp Folk
[X] [Inv] Metal Workers
[X] [Inv] Storm Wolves
[X] No
[X] [King] Hertythn (Heroic Admin,Average Diplo, Poor Martial; takescontrol while alive (1, possibly 2 turns))
The thing is if we were snubbing the HK just because of the last attack then the TH would have been included in that list, but that's not why we are snubbing them.
This is the second time the HK have attacked us when our backs are turned, they stole iron from us by causing chaos in our kingdom and arranged for our people to kill each other in riots, and apparently stealing iron isn't the only thing they have been doing in our borders either.
It's also important to note that the only way they can do any major expansion is through us. They have to attack us to grow which means there is no way we won't fight them again in the future if they continue to live.
We want peace, but we can't have peace with the HK because peace with us is detrimental to the HK's future. And how could we trust them when we know that they are infiltrating us and causing chaos? Stealing our secrets and attempting to weaken us so that they can finally expand beyond their hills?
The TH have other avenues of expansion, they don't need to take the lowlands to grow. That's why we know it's possible for peace to exist between us, because we can make it so that working with us is more worth while then working against us.
But the HK will always be thinking, "If we could just break the Ymaryn then we could be great." We can't negotiate with them because they're stuck in a corner between a mountain range and us, and even through the mountain passes on be other side they are cornered between us, the mountains, and the Khem. It's why peace between our nations will never work, because it will always be in the best interests of the HK to work against us and never with us.
It also helps that by inviting the TH and not the HK we are showing everyone around us that we aren't about to go on a conquest spree. I could see the TH becoming worried when they hear about us invading the HK, that we might turn towards them next, that they might decide to preventively attack. But if they know that we invited them to the games but not the HK that should show just how mad we are at the HK and should set their minds at ease that we have no desires to conquer them afterwards.
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