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Paths of Civilization

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[x] [WB] Gain the The King Still Stands Legacy
[x] [Hero] Gain a Genius general
[x] [War] Hatvalley (Khemetri + Highlanders)
[x] [Kick] 2 Stability

Guys remember that AN will base the priority of our war missions to the proportion of the votes so we need to have at least ten percent of the votes voting for fighting the Khem.
 
Citino said:
You know, what CB were they actually using to hit us each time? Just King of the Hill?
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They don't need CBs. Only we do.

Reader of all said:
[x] [WB] Gain the The King Still Stands Legacy
[x] [Hero] Gain a Genius general
[x] [War] Hatvalley (Khemetri + Highlanders)
[x] [Kick] 2 Stability

Guys remember that AN will base the priority of our war missions to the proportion of the votes so we need to have at least ten percent of the votes voting for fighting the Khem.
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Vote is locked already.
 
Reader of all said:
[x] [WB] Gain the The King Still Stands Legacy
[x] [Hero] Gain a Genius general
[x] [War] Hatvalley (Khemetri + Highlanders)
[x] [Kick] 2 Stability

Guys remember that AN will base the priority of our war missions to the proportion of the votes so we need to have at least ten percent of the votes voting for fighting the Khem.
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too late
 
Susano said:
They don't need CBs. Only we do.
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Not exactly true. We absolutely have to have one to even start a war, but most other civs likely need some sort of reason to start one to not have to pay a stab cost or something.

After all, people don't particularly like having their food and labor taken to support a meaningless war. Nomads being the exception to that.
 
[x] [WB] Gain the The King Still Stands Legacy
[x] [Hero] Gain a Genius general
[x] [War] Hatvalley (Khemetri + Highlanders)
[x] [Kick] 2 Stability

Holy fuck I had to slog through 50+ pages after one update.
 
> Wakes up
> Sees the latest update
Edit:
> Writes massive analysis post
> Vote is already locked by the time I'm done
> :cry: AN, pls

Hoooo boy. I can't bring myself to sit on the sidelines for this one.

Hello and welcome to another episode of "zamin over-analyses everything". I think I'm gonna try something a little different today. Let me know if you like it or if you think this style of writing was just a stupid idea.

To sum up the last turn:


"Yeah! Let's kick her while she too distracted to fight back!"


"Am I gonna have to shank some bitches? Cause I'm about to start shanking some bitches."

So last episode, Ymaryn-chan was hanging around, minding her own business and building aqueducts and stuff, when this skank showed up from out of town:


She was being, like, a total bitch, ya know? Going on and on about how this was her town now and Ymaryn-chan had to move out so that she and her boyfriend Pharaoh-kun could build some tacky pyramid or whatever.

How did Ymaryn-chan respond?

[][Main] Build Annex - Arsenal
[][Secondary] Study Metal
[][Secondary] Support Artisans

Provinces – [Main] War Mission x2 – Khemetri, [Sec] Raise Army
Policy – Redshore Aqueduct (4/6), Significant Walls (12/42)
Stallion – [Main] Build Walls
Western – [Main] Support Artisans, [Sec] New Settlement, [Sec] Build Walls
Greenshore – [Sec] Build Walls, [Sec] New Settlement
Gulvalley – [Sec] War Mission – Khemetri, [Sec] Build Watchtowers
Heaven's Hawk – [Sec] Build Walls, [Sec] Build Watchtowers
Txolla – [Main] Build Walls, [Sec] Expand Econ
Tinriver – [Sec] Expand Econ, [Sec] Trade Mission – Trelli

Now, Ymaryn-chan's normally a nice girl, but she ain't gonna take that kind of bullshit lying down. When Khemetri refused to back down, it ended up in a full on catfight on the street, complete with hair pulling and clothes tearing.

A bunch of Ymaryn's friends showed up to help too, though a couple of them stayed at home and tried to figure out how to make bigger knives that Ymaryn could use to shank bitches.

The People were beset on all sides, near enough. While fortunately not unexpected, the Highlanders had launched a massive invasion out of the western passes, overrunning the warriors in the field. What had happened to the fortified settlements in their way was unknown, but they probably still stood and had simply been bypassed for the most part. Unfortunately, this had allowed the Highlanders to massively disrupt trade and essentially cut off Gulvalley and Upper Hatvalley from proper reinforcements, right as the King of the Khemetri actually showed up with the rest of his army. And then the Thunder Horse had decided that they wanted in too and had massively overrun the Txolla, whose defence had collapsed with alarming rapidity, pushing them back to a handful of fortified settlements.
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Of course, that was when those fucking bitches Highlander-chan and Thunder Horse-chan decided to break into Ymaryn's house and steal some of her stuff while she wasn't looking. Fortunately, her security measures stopped them from taking anything really important, but they ended up smashing a lot of stuff and beat up Txolla-chan when she tried to stop them.

Highlander-chan had stolen the secrets of iron from Ymaryn a while ago and had finally figured out how to make some of her own, so she was feeling pretty cocky and thought that she could get revenge for having her ass kicked all those years ago. As for Thunder Horse-chan, she probably just thought it'd be funny to kick people while they were down. She's like, a total bitch like that, ya know?

And yet the People came onward, tens of thousands of warriors hurled into the teeth of the enemy. The slaughter was incredible, and while the People were being steady pushed back and isolated, their reserves of warriors were deep and more could be trained up in short order. Were it just the Thunder Horse and Highlanders, there would be no issue, but the Khemetri had quickly been revealed as something else. They too seemed to have endless reserves of warriors and conscripts, and their king - or maybe it was heir, it was hard to tell - was a glorious shining beacon of martial skill and morale. Even in the face of superior weaponry the ranks of thousands at his command refused to break, and in fact overran more than one engagement that should have been assured for the People. In general part of the problem was that the People were actively looking for a fight against the Khemetri while the Khemetri wanted to conquer territory. While the People had inflicted severe losses Weirdly this meant that those most successful at stymieing the Khemetri were the Trelli mercenaries, because they tended to try to avoid fighting warriors and instead preyed upon villages and camp followers. The People didn't like it, but it certainly worked, and certainly helped keep them fed when the supply route into the region was mostly cut by the Highlanders.

Despite all of this, the core remained strong and robust. The People were upset and unsettled, but more than that they were angry.
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To make matters even worse, Khemetri's boyfriend Pharaoh-kun showed up with a bunch of his friends. Everyone thought that this was the end of Ymaryn-chan. After all, who could possibly fight so many people at once?


Took massive damage, increased Martial score anyway. Choose a bonus
[] [WB] Gain the The King Still Stands Legacy
[] [WB] Upgrade We Have Reserves
[] [WB] Gain a new Honour Code slot
[] [WB] Gain a free use of Main Proclaim Glory
[] [WB] Let the storytellers sing of this forevermore (+8 Culture)
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Ymaryn-chan be so hardcore, she went all She-Hulk and started backslapping bitches. She also figured out how to do something cool:

Option A: The King Queen Still Stands: Anyone wanna mess with Ymaryn-chan from now on had better think twice, yo

Option B: We Have Reserves: Ymaryn-chan gets more swole and continues hulking out

Option C: New Honor Code slot: Ymaryn-chan discovers Bushido, proceeds to pull out katana (true Nippon steel, folded ten bajillion times!)

Option D: Main Proclaim Glory: Ymaryn-chan's friends go out and start telling everyone how awesome she is. People show up to cheer her on

Option E: Let the storytellers sing: One of Ymaryn-chan's friends gets inspired, writes a song, and proceeds to make a smash hit that gets played on the radio over and over and over again until everyone's sick of hearing it

Meanwhile the king desperately tried to get the best equipment and magic he could to those fighting on all fronts. A huge new section of the palace was built to accommodate work spaces for the very best of the artisans in the kingdom to work with the full backing of the king and access to the finest materials. While for the most part this unfortunately didn't improve the quality of things quite as much as hoped - initially anyway - it did begin the process of transforming how things were done. With the artisan associations deeply rooted in the largest settlements and spread out to support the smaller ones, for those in charge it quickly became sensible to reorder how goods flowed. The clerks didn't need to stand between the farmers and miners and the artisans, but work alongside them to get everything to where it needed to be without having to stop at depots along the way.
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Meanwhile, Ymaryn-chan's Chief Minion is rushing to try to discover better weapons that his Mistress can use. He starts pulling in all the artistic types and tells them to get to researching.

Palace Economy -> Guild Mercantile
The artisans supply the warriors and nobility with all the things they need to do their jobs, so the rest of the economy should be geared to supply them with what they need to produce those goods.
Extra Actions: +1 Secondary/3 provinces for manufacturing (must take min. number of actions)
Temp Econ Damage: Event + 1 - Centralization/3
Wealth Generation: Leading/2
Passive Policies: 1 + True Cities (includes Free Cities)
Special: Penalties for over-centralization doubled
Special: Low Wealth can generate Stability loss
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To make sure everything keeps running, he lets some of the artists start their own corporations. They go full Mega-Corp Capitalist on everyone's asses. Overnight, the artisans suddenly become the most important class cause they're the ones providing everyone with shiny stuff. They can make a lot of stuff (extra actions), but they really don't like it when the government starts asking for their tax returns (over-centralization penalty).

There was one peculiar thing that spilled out of the sponsorship of the king and having artisan facilities in the castle, and that was that the ever curious mystic got to watch the smiths work up close, and thus got to ask a rather peculiar question one day.

"Why are you throwing that bar of iron out?" Desdydyn asked one of the smiths who had tossed a piece he had been working on in the waste bin, to be brought back to the kilns.

"I shoved it into the forge to heat up but I forgot about it when Yumuthyn distracted me. When you do that you get all of this garbage scale on it and you have to hammer and grind it down, which is a job for the apprentices in the mills," the smith replied.

Going to examine the crusted up bar of iron, the smith cautioned, "Sir, be careful, those scales are brittle and sharp."

The king paused and considered this for a moment before he asked, "Could you do that to something already sharp? Just give it a little bit of scale to make it sharper?"

The smith opened his mouth to explain why that was a stupid idea, paused when he remembered he was talking to the king, began to rethink what he was going to say, and then after a moment's consideration replied, "Actually, I don't know. Maybe? If you want me to potentially ruin a couple of completed arrowheads or the like to see I suppose I could do that."

"Absolutely. At the very least we can include it in the artisan's library of things not to do," Desdydyn stated.

With the experiment in motion, it was discovered that you could make a sharper edge by very carefully immersing an iron item in charcoal in just the right way. While widespread use of this would take quite some time, and getting these new, sharper weapons to those who needed them most was something of a challenge, it certainly had immense long term potential.
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> Ymaryn has unlocked a New Technology!

Case hardening
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More sharp things to stab people with. Now if only they could bring it to where the fighting is...

Further, between the war and the reorganization of the artisan associations and the way the People were bent towards throwing their all into this, it became the perfect cauldron of social alchemy to bring genius to the fore. In this time of heroes and epics, the greatest had to step to the front.

Hero unit production boosted for everyone right now, choose from the following
[] [Hero] Upgrade current heir to Heroic Martial, Good Diplo, Good Admin
[] [Hero] Gain a Genius general
[] [Hero] Gain a Genius artisan
[] [Hero] Gain a Genius alchemist
[] [Hero] Gain a Genius trader
[] [Hero] Randomly gain at least one new technology (exploding dice)

AN: Genius is Hero+
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So basically:

Option A: Current Heir levels up due to all the experience he's getting.

Option B: A Mysterious Foreign Transfer Student shows up out of nowhere and joins Ymaryn-chan's team. He kicks everyone's asses with his Kung-Fu

Option C: Foreign Transfer Student-kun builds a chainsaw-katana for his new boss

Option D: Foreign Transfer Student-kun creates a drug lab, proceeds to create C-4

Option E: Foreign Transfer Student-kun bribes everyone to stop the fighting

Option F: Ymaryn-chan suddenly has a Eureka moment. Proceeds to build a Death Star

Of course, the biggest question was where to focus efforts on the places where the People were being attacked. The People obviously needed to clear out the obstruction the Highlanders had made to most effectively continue prosecuting their fight against the Khemetri, but the Highlanders could also hit their holdings in the lowlands. While the fighting against the Khemetri was probably the hardest, the Txolla were also in need of the greatest amount of reinforcement against the Thunder Horse. Fortunately the Hawks and Stallions were going to be slamming into the Thunder Speakers from the north with all the fury they could muster, which was considerable. Of course, that would just be distracting them unless they got spectacularly lucky and were able to cut through the Spirit Channel and get into the lowlands.

Choose which theater to focus on. Priority will be given in order of the number of votes taken
[] [War] Hatvalley (Khemetri + Highlanders)
[] [War] Western Lowlands (Highlanders + Thunder Horse)
[] [War] Txolla (Thunder Horse)
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So basically...

Option A: Try to kick Pharaoh-kun in the balls, shank Khemetri-chan and Highlander-chan while they're distracted

Option B: Find Highlander-chan and Thunder Horse-chan and start kicking their teeth in

Option C: Go help Hawk-kun and Stallion-kun save PTSD-chan from those skanky Thunder Horse bitches

Snap and press The Button?
[] [Kick] No
[] [Kick] 1 Stability
[] [Kick] 2 Stability
[] [Kick] 3 Stability
[] [Kick] 4 Stability
[] [Kick] 5 Stability
[] [Kick] 6 Stability (requires Proclaim Glory choice)
[] [Kick] 7 Stability (requires Proclaim Glory choice)
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1 Stability: Ymaryn-chan start chugging energy drinks so that she has the stamina to keep bitch slapping people

7 Stability: Ymaryn-chan goes full Hulk mode and pulls out the molotov cocktails. The town is probably going to burn down, but ain't nobody that survives is gonna mess with her again.

My votes:

[X] [WB] Upgrade We Have Reserves
[X] [Hero] Gain a Genius general
[X] [War] Western Lowlands (Highlanders + Thunder Horse)
[X] [Kick] 2 Stability
 
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zamin said:
> Wakes up
> Sees the latest update

Hoooo boy. I can't bring myself to sit on the sidelines for this one.

Hello and welcome to another episode of "zamin over-analyses everything". I think I'm gonna try something a little different today. Let me know if you like it or if you think this style of writing was just a stupid idea.

To sum up the last turn:


"Yeah! Let's kick her while she too distracted to fight back!"


"Am I gonna have to shank some bitches? Cause I'm about to start shanking some bitches."

So last episode, Ymaryn-chan was hanging around, minding her own business and building aqueducts and stuff, when this skank showed up from out of town:


She was being, like, a total bitch, ya know? Going on and on about how this was her town now and Ymaryn-chan had to move out so that she and her boyfriend Pharaoh-kun could build some tacky pyramid or whatever.

How did Ymaryn-chan respond?

[][Main] Build Annex - Arsenal
[][Secondary] Study Metal
[][Secondary] Support Artisans

Provinces – [Main] War Mission x2 – Khemetri, [Sec] Raise Army
Policy – Redshore Aqueduct (4/6), Significant Walls (12/42)
Stallion – [Main] Build Walls
Western – [Main] Support Artisans, [Sec] New Settlement, [Sec] Build Walls
Greenshore – [Sec] Build Walls, [Sec] New Settlement
Gulvalley – [Sec] War Mission – Khemetri, [Sec] Build Watchtowers
Heaven's Hawk – [Sec] Build Walls, [Sec] Build Watchtowers
Txolla – [Main] Build Walls, [Sec] Expand Econ
Tinriver – [Sec] Expand Econ, [Sec] Trade Mission – Trelli

Now, Ymaryn-chan's normally a nice girl, but she ain't gonna take that kind of bullshit lying down. When Khemetri refused to back down, it ended up in a full on catfight on the street, complete with hair pulling and clothes tearing.

A bunch of Ymaryn's friends showed up to help too, though a couple of them stayed at home and tried to figure out how to make bigger knives that Ymaryn could use to shank bitches.



Of course, that was when those fucking bitches Highlander-chan and Thunder Horse-chan decided to break into Ymaryn's house and steal some of her stuff while she wasn't looking. Fortunately, her security measures stopped them from taking anything really important, but they ended up smashing a lot of stuff and beat up Txolla-chan when she tried to stop them.

Highlander-chan had stolen the secrets of iron from Ymaryn a while ago and had finally figured out how to make some of her own, so she was feeling pretty cocky and thought that she could get revenge for having her ass kicked all those years ago. As for Thunder Horse-chan, she probably just thought it'd be funny to kick people while they were down. She's like, a total bitch like that, ya know?



To make matters even worse, Khemetri's boyfriend Pharaoh-kun showed up with a bunch of his friends. Everyone thought that this was the end of Ymaryn-chan. After all, who could possibly fight so many people at once?




Ymaryn-chan be so hardcore, she went all She-Hulk and started backslapping bitches. She also figured out how to do something cool:

Option A: The King Queen Still Stands: Anyone wanna mess with Ymaryn-chan from now on had better think twice, yo

Option B: We Have Reserves: Ymaryn-chan gets more swole and continues hulking out

Option C: New Honor Code slot: Ymaryn-chan discovers Bushido, proceeds to pull out katana (true Nippon steel, folded ten bajillion times!)

Option D: Main Proclaim Glory: Ymaryn-chan's friends go out and start telling everyone how awesome she is. People show up to cheer her on

Option E: Let the storytellers sing: One of Ymaryn-chan's friends gets inspired, writes a song, and proceeds to make a smash hit that gets played on the radio over and over and over again until everyone's sick of hearing it



Meanwhile, Ymaryn-chan's Chief Minion is rushing to try to discover better weapons that his Mistress can use. He starts pulling in all the artistic types and tells them to get to researching.



To make sure everything keeps running, he lets some of the artists start their own corporations. They go full Mega-Corp Capitalist on everyone's asses. Overnight, the artisans suddenly become the most important class cause they're the ones providing everyone with shiny stuff. They can make a lot of stuff (extra actions), but they really don't like it when the government starts asking for their tax returns (over-centralization penalty).



> Ymaryn has unlocked a New Technology!



More sharp things to stab people with. Now if only they could bring it to where the fighting is...



So basically:

Option A: Current Heir levels up due to all the experience he's getting.

Option B: A Mysterious Foreign Transfer Student shows up out of nowhere and joins Ymaryn-chan's team. He kicks everyone's asses cause he knows Kung-Fu

Option C: Foreign Transfer Student-kun builds a chainsaw-katana for his new boss

Option D: Foreign Transfer Student-kun creates a drug lab, proceeds to create C-4

Option E: Foreign Transfer Student-kun bribes everyone to stop the fighting

Option F: Ymaryn-chan suddenly has a Eureka moment. Proceeds to build a Death Star



So basically...

Option A: Try to kick Pharaoh-kun in the balls, shank Khemetri-chan and Highlander-chan while they're distracted

Option B: Find Highlander-chan and Thunder Horse-chan and start kicking their teeth in

Option C: Go help Hawk-kun and Stallion-kun save PTSD-chan from those skanky Thunder Horse bitches



1 Stability: Ymaryn-chan start chugging energy drinks so that she has the stamina to keep bitch slapping people

7 Stability: Ymaryn-chan goes full Hulk mode and pulls out the molotov cocktails. The town is probably going to burn down, but ain't nobody that survives is gonna mess with her again.

My votes:

[X] [WB] Upgrade We Have Reserves
[X] [Hero] Gain a Genius general
[X] [War] Western Lowlands (Highlanders + Thunder Horse)
[X] [Kick] 2 Stability
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Sorry man, it looks like all 3 of us analysis writers (me, you, and veekie) missed the vote D=
 
Susano said:
This isn't even midturn yet

The war has gone on for only a few years so far.

Arrayed against us are all our neighbours except the Trelli and a civilization probably superior to ours. Oh, and one of our enemies has iron. Our survival absolutely is at stake here. To wonder what will come after the war is a luxury problem. Maybe nothing will come after the war.
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I know this is late but I JUST got back home, but uhhh technically even if we get super pwned this turn and our civ dies, we get to take over a successor state or continue on as a conquered people for awhile, since this is the path of civilizations... merely one step in the path of Every Nation that has existed before the modern era
 
zamin said:
> Writes massive analysis post
> Vote is already locked by the time I'm done
> :cry: AN, pls
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It could have been worse. AN literally locked the vote during my "ok, done with my analysis, but before i post, lets make sure AN didn't update the civ sheet or post any more WoG posts" check. I had to stare at the post for a minute because i couldn't believe the timing involved o_O
 
I'm bemused by the love of special snowflakey narratives from this thread.

Joan of Arc? 2nd generation immigrant from an area with no military tradition at all?

Is this some kind of warped waifu-seeking? :confused:o_O:confused:

How about: Yeoman farmer son from redshore, wants to travel, joins traders, joins red banner in tinriver in patriotic anti-Khemetri surge, and turns out to be really REALLY good at this war thing.

Or one of the semi-nomads militarized from a young age (courier->pila skirmisher->chariot driver->chariot archer) who has now gotten the knack for HORSE ARCHERY.

Or... ANY path to the military that treads reasonably probable roads. Being genius martial is snowflake enough...

I like it when my suspension of disbelief doesn't feel like an overworked draft horse. :(
 
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It could have been worse. AN literally locked the vote during my "ok, done with my analysis, but before i post, lets make sure AN didn't update the civ sheet or post any more WoG posts" check. I had to stare at the post for a minute because i couldn't believe the timing involved o_O
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Did you post it anyway? Or has it been lost forever?
 
Abby Normal said:
It could have been worse. AN literally locked the vote during my "ok, done with my analysis, but before i post, lets make sure AN didn't update the civ sheet or post any more WoG posts" check. I had to stare at the post for a minute because i couldn't believe the timing involved o_O
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Grandmaster Ninjaaaaaaaaa AN.
 
Abby Normal said:
It could have been worse. AN literally locked the vote during my "ok, done with my analysis, but before i post, lets make sure AN didn't update the civ sheet or post any more WoG posts" check. I had to stare at the post for a minute because i couldn't believe the timing involved o_O
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AN got so excited that he posted the update in the middle of the afternoon and closed the vote early so that he can write the next chapter!
 
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