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@Academia Nut quick question. What are the major ethnic grouos in our core territorries? Did the census record ethnic groups? Are there other ethnic identities besides "Ymaryn"? And are they reflective of the original four tribes?
 
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Power said:
@Academia Nut quick question. What are the major ethnic grouos in our core territorries? Did the census record ethnic groups? Are there other ethnic identities besides "Ymaryn"? And are they reflective of the original four tribes?
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We take in too many refugees, so we look exotic to all our neighbors. Only really lacks truly black skin, but we have a whole range of pale Northern Nomad blood to somewhat olive core population to lowlander browns.

Our attitude to sex seems to be "if they can consent, go ahead".

So other than the Ancestral Honor'y Stallions, theres no real ethnicity. And they like Nomad wives.
 
Hugh, Everything is such a mess, even if we are reaching a Golden Age...

And damn the Shadow king, we should have looked deeper that one time, I'm sure it's his fault the Metal worker got Iron as well!
 
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Sivantic said:
Something that has not been addressed about the spread of iron.

Fuel.

We have renewable sources that others do not. Moreover those sources are of significant cultural value to us.

I believe the Causi Bellus with the Highland Kingdom is going to take a different form than that that has been stated.
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That's as much a disadvantage as an advantage. Unsustainable exploitation of forests can produce far more wood in shorter time, hence we're limited in the short term.
 
10ebbor10 said:
That's as much a disadvantage as an advantage. Unsustainable exploitation of forests can produce far more wood in shorter time, hence we're limited in the short term.
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That'd be true if we hadn't already built up significant amounts of iron and likely come up with somewhat more fuel-efficient methods of production due to our four centuries of experience.
 
The HK will be able to catch up relatively quickly in quantity thanks to slavery et al, but I expect quality and efficiency to lack behind for a while.

We still have all our other advantages*. Besides, we can dominate the Iron market now and slow down their own production by making it uneconomical.

Then bombard them with Salt Gifts and Trade Missions to diplo-annex it or break off chunks.


*Love of Wisdom, bullshit numbers, industry, tactics, fuckhuge wealth income etc.
 
bryanfran36 said:
And we are also egalitarian (?) on gender rights. Gwygotha, Rulwyna and her Triumvirate, etc.
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Not by modern standards, but relatively so!

Leadership roles are overwhelmingly male, mostly by small biological biases(i.e. not having to take the risks of childbirth, higher average strength making martial achievement and low level guild work easier) amplified through thousands of years of tradition, but we do acknowledge that a woman being King is not a problem in itself, even if women who can qualify for the position are very rare and require much greater achievement than their male equivalent to be noticed.

We recognize that both men and women can be polygamous, though it's not the norm, who you fuck is largely between you, them, their family, your family, their guild and your guild...well okay a lot of people will express Opinions, but you are allowed to.

Bottom class woes are harder on women than men, again, because bottom class unqualified labor is overwhelmingly physical brute strength.

But even including that, we're pretty good for the region for anyone not a Nomad, who live too close to the subsistence line to actually be sexist.


We are however, powerfully elitist. The junction of our traits means that we believe:
-The best of the best are to be lauded.
-Hard work brings results.
-That everyone should contribute.
-That the world is fundamentally understandable

Which in turn means that we'd consider ignorance itself a problem and wilful ignorance(i.e. you had the opportunity to learn but failed to) as a sin.
You'd probably see a lot of political opinions along the lines of "well if they worked hard they wouldn't be poor" for the urban poor or marginalized refugees for instance.

But then social concepts don't really handle the idea that people can be truly useless through circumstances beyond their control, and the whole pursuit of excellence is PROBABLY going to cause some hardship on the crippled, retarded or those of otherwise impaired capacity if they don't have family or accumulated achievements paying for their care.

And social concepts also don't really handle that the pace of social changes is speeding up and that improvements in tools and automation are going to obsolete some careers within the living lifetimes of their masters.
 
Lilithium said:
The Shadow King has, historically, only ever helped us as far as we are aware.
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Suspected cases so far:
-Initial raid on Highlander accidentally conquering a village(ironically this village is probably currently in Txolla now)
-Phygrif having his army manipulated away from him...just in time to protect Redhill from an attack that only the Shadow King saw coming.
-Murders and unrest from the guilds after the introduction of hammer mills.
-Possible leak of Iron to Metalworkers and Highlanders
-Informed King of Highlander metal access

Actually...who said we only had one Shadow King? Events are not congruent with one network because they're taking contradictory actions if they are.

It looks very much like two or more groups performing Shadowruns on each other.

Mortis said:
That'd be true if we hadn't already built up significant amounts of iron and likely come up with somewhat more fuel-efficient methods of production due to our four centuries of experience.
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Little bit, though they can potentially copy our advances there as well if we fail to plug the leaks.

The biggest boon is having had iron spread out and in production for a long time. We don't need a lot of 'burst' production because everyone already has enough for their needs.
DakkaMania said:
The HK will be able to catch up relatively quickly in quantity thanks to slavery et al, but I expect quality and efficiency to lack behind for a while.

We still have all our other advantages*. Besides, we can dominate the Iron market now and slow down their own production by making it uneconomical.

Then bombard them with Salt Gifts and Trade Missions to diplo-annex it or break off chunks.


*Love of Wisdom, bullshit numbers, industry, tactics, fuckhuge wealth income etc.
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Bolded, hilariously enough, is no longer true. Hammer mills can produce more iron than any number of slaves thrown at the problem. They just plain cannot physically apply force more cheaply than a river, which works without pay or food.
 
veekie said:
Not by modern standards, but relatively so!

Leadership roles are overwhelmingly male, mostly by small biological biases(i.e. not having to take the risks of childbirth, higher average strength making martial achievement and low level guild work easier) amplified through thousands of years of tradition, but we do acknowledge that a woman being King is not a problem in itself, even if women who can qualify for the position are very rare and require much greater achievement than their male equivalent to be noticed.

We recognize that both men and women can be polygamous, though it's not the norm, who you fuck is largely between you, them, their family, your family, their guild and your guild...well okay a lot of people will express Opinions, but you are allowed to.

Bottom class woes are harder on women than men, again, because bottom class unqualified labor is overwhelmingly physical brute strength.

But even including that, we're pretty good for the region for anyone not a Nomad, who live too close to the subsistence line to actually be sexist.


We are however, powerfully elitist. The junction of our traits means that we believe:
-The best of the best are to be lauded.
-Hard work brings results.
-That everyone should contribute.
-That the world is fundamentally understandable

Which in turn means that we'd consider ignorance itself a problem and wilful ignorance(i.e. you had the opportunity to learn but failed to) as a sin.
You'd probably see a lot of political opinions along the lines of "well if they worked hard they wouldn't be poor" for the urban poor or marginalized refugees for instance.

But then social concepts don't really handle the idea that people can be truly useless through circumstances beyond their control, and the whole pursuit of excellence is PROBABLY going to cause some hardship on the crippled, retarded or those of otherwise impaired capacity if they don't have family or accumulated achievements paying for their care.

And social concepts also don't really handle that the pace of social changes is speeding up and that improvements in tools and automation are going to obsolete some careers within the living lifetimes of their masters.
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This best of the best driven pride going to be a problem as it looks like to me that both the highlanders and The Thunder Horse are going to be looking to be King of the Hill sometime in the next two to three generations, and we're voters me included are all aboard not giving up the hill that as much as this is going to be unpopular to say we're gonna need to keep on militarizing way more then were before this war started, we need to build up to at least 3 mercenary companies in anticipation for when they take a swing at us as we are not going to be putting defence on after the war.
 
veekie said:
But then social concepts don't really handle the idea that people can be truly useless through circumstances beyond their control, and the whole pursuit of excellence is PROBABLY going to cause some hardship on the crippled, retarded or those of otherwise impaired capacity if they don't have family or accumulated achievements paying for their care.

And social concepts also don't really handle that the pace of social changes is speeding up and that improvements in tools and automation are going to obsolete some careers within the living lifetimes of their masters.
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This is one of the big problems that we have today and is also not really solved, so i think it would be really stupid to expect the civ that has yet to go throught the industrialisation and the following automation and tech advances to have these concepts in anything but very bord lines.

For these to evolve we are going to need a lot more time and the war is likely going to help here in some way with the amount of people that are going to be permanetly wounded or crippled on ourside.
 
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y'know, if we really figure out steel that we'll really turn into elves, or dunedain at least.
 
Lilithium said:
The Shadow King has, historically, only ever helped us as far as we are aware.
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Exploiting refuges and causing unrest is not exactly helpful. On helping us..... this thing with the Iron is the first time we have heard of the possibility of them helping us. I am not saying that they have never helped us, it is still to early to discern their true motives, actions and plans i believe.
 
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veekie said:
Not by modern standards, but relatively so!

Leadership roles are overwhelmingly male, mostly by small biological biases(i.e. not having to take the risks of childbirth, higher average strength making martial achievement and low level guild work easier) amplified through thousands of years of tradition, but we do acknowledge that a woman being King is not a problem in itself, even if women who can qualify for the position are very rare and require much greater achievement than their male equivalent to be noticed.

We recognize that both men and women can be polygamous, though it's not the norm, who you fuck is largely between you, them, their family, your family, their guild and your guild...well okay a lot of people will express Opinions, but you are allowed to.

Bottom class woes are harder on women than men, again, because bottom class unqualified labor is overwhelmingly physical brute strength.

But even including that, we're pretty good for the region for anyone not a Nomad, who live too close to the subsistence line to actually be sexist.


We are however, powerfully elitist. The junction of our traits means that we believe:
-The best of the best are to be lauded.
-Hard work brings results.
-That everyone should contribute.
-That the world is fundamentally understandable

Which in turn means that we'd consider ignorance itself a problem and wilful ignorance(i.e. you had the opportunity to learn but failed to) as a sin.
You'd probably see a lot of political opinions along the lines of "well if they worked hard they wouldn't be poor" for the urban poor or marginalized refugees for instance.

But then social concepts don't really handle the idea that people can be truly useless through circumstances beyond their control, and the whole pursuit of excellence is PROBABLY going to cause some hardship on the crippled, retarded or those of otherwise impaired capacity if they don't have family or accumulated achievements paying for their care.

And social concepts also don't really handle that the pace of social changes is speeding up and that improvements in tools and automation are going to obsolete some careers within the living lifetimes of their masters.
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Actually we know about mental problems already and have a facility where they can be taken care of.

The crippled will probably take less physical jobs such as a clerk or priest.
 
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