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veekie said:
Suspected cases so far:
-Initial raid on Highlander accidentally conquering a village(ironically this village is probably currently in Txolla now)
-Phygrif having his army manipulated away from him...just in time to protect Redhill from an attack that only the Shadow King saw coming.
-Murders and unrest from the guilds after the introduction of hammer mills.
-Possible leak of Iron to Metalworkers and Highlanders
-Informed King of Highlander metal access
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Highlander raid happened way before Rul-2 was born, and thus cannot be attributed to the current phenomenon that she started. The second example is a positive like I said, and unrest over hammer mills changing the workplace was going to happen either way considering the sorry spot our civ was in at the time. Connecting murdering of people directly to Rul-2 or any Shadow King is handwavy speculation. Leaking Iron to other people is confirmed to have been done by battle field scavenging and some rare trade deals of great importance. The last point is yet another positive.

The only reason the Shadow King has even come up is our people wanting someone to blame. A figure pulling strings in the dark is perfect for that, in addition to whatever political ploys are going on in the dark as well.

Buying into the mere suggestion that the Shadow King, even within the narrative at this moment, is trying to ruin us completely; unlikely when every possible confirmed act is that they've done nothing but help.

Although, keeping in mind the 'ymar with blackjack and hookers' comment that Academia Nut liked? That one about how Ymar's own oppressed and marginalized people had joined up with the Shadow King iirc... I'd certainly buy that Rul-2 decided to do something in the wake of mass 'refugees' that made up the post Phyfrif world.

She DID decide she was happier not being King. When considering everything at the time, well, implications and realizations abound.

We truly didn't deserve her.
 
Manget said:
This best of the best driven pride going to be a problem as it looks like to me that both the highlanders and The Thunder Horse are going to be looking to be King of the Hill sometime in the next two to three generations, and we're voters me included are all aboard not giving up the hill that as much as this is going to be unpopular to say we're gonna need to keep on militarizing way more then were before this war started, we need to build up to at least 3 mercenary companies in anticipation for when they take a swing at us as we are not going to be putting defence on after the war.
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Not so much. Best of the Best is at a personal level(and it's in terms of excellence), at a cultural level the reason we must fight to be King of the Hill is that they're taking land we settled by damn.

It's not militarization we're lacking(we can create militarization with alarming speed, and we're like 2-3 crossbow advances from naval dominance) so much as the fortification needed for it to be efficient.

Fortunately we have automatic basic walls already. If we'd just go get the 100% Towers we should be able to handle a lot of foes. An army is useless if it can't be present where it's needed.

Skjadir said:
This is one of the big problems that we have today and is also not really solved, so i think it would be really stupid to expect the civ that has yet to go throught the industrialisation and the following automation and tech advances to have these concepts in anything but very bord lines.

For these to evolve we are going to need a lot more time and the war is likely going to help here in some way with the amount of people that are going to be wounded / crippled permanetly on ourside.
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Not even solving it. We do not even recognize that it's a problem yet IC.
Just highlighting to head off one of the spates of in thread smugness.

The war would definitely help though.
It's going to be our first meatgrinder with a peer power, rather than the lowland wars where everyone came at us at the same time and we trashed them all.
 
Athanor said:
Exploiting refuges and causing unrest is not exactly helpful. On helping us..... this thing with the Iron is the first time we have heard of the possibility of them helping us. I am not saying that they have never helped us, it is still to early to discern their true motives, actions and plans i believe.
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Where exactly does it say that the Shadow King exploited Refuges or caused unrest? Other than a bunch of politicians in story looking for someone to blame, followed by us not voting to pursue that avenue of investigation?

Ah. It doesn't.
 
Lilithium said:
Where exactly does it say that the Shadow King exploited Refuges or caused unrest? Other than a bunch of politicians in story looking for someone to blame, followed by us not voting to pursue that avenue of investigation?

Ah. It doesn't.
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Hence, suspected cases. We don't know what they did, but we do know they exist, AN confirmed Rulwyna II built a shadow network and someone else inherited it. But the nature of such shadow networks is that they'd be multiple such networks competing for 'market share'.

Currently I'm hoping to hold our Golden Age innovation for assimilating it as an intelligence agency or at least starting up our own. We know it's possible, the Xohyssiri did it to the Thunder Horse at least.
 
Honestly, what we really need is to consolidate. We expanded and advanced relatively quickly and our holdings are ledt underdeveloped and unprotected.

If we had walls and watchtowers set up during this encounter, we could have taken the khemetri with only royal investment.

It'll be really good if we can after this, get around to walling and roading our settlements.
 
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veekie said:
We take in too many refugees, so we look exotic to all our neighbors. Only really lacks truly black skin, but we have a whole range of pale Northern Nomad blood to somewhat olive core population to lowlander browns.

Our attitude to sex seems to be "if they can consent, go ahead".

So other than the Ancestral Honor'y Stallions, theres no real ethnicity. And they like Nomad wives.
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Ancestry and physical appearance is not the sole marker of ethnic identity

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Darn storm cut my internet for a bit.
Basically what i was wondering was what the various ethnic minorities - if any (i mean, for all we know the average "ethnic ymaryn" could be one of dozen sub ethnic groups that identify together but has no majority) - make up our population.

I kniw we have a clear-cut north-south cultural divide with the marches, etc there. But are there more? I think its an interesting topic anyway....
 
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Quest said:
Honestly, what we really need is to consolidate. We expanded and advanced relatively quickly and our holdings are ledt underdeveloped and unprotected.

If we had walls and watchtowers set up during this encounter, we could have taken the khemetri with only royal investment.

It'll be really good if we can after this, get around to walling and roading our settlements.
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*groggily wakes up*

#YmarynProblems.

(_ _) ZZZzzzz.
 
veekie said:
Not so much. Best of the Best is at a personal level(and it's in terms of excellence), at a cultural level the reason we must fight to be King of the Hill is that they're taking land we settled by damn.

It's not militarization we're lacking(we can create militarization with alarming speed, and we're like 2-3 crossbow advances from naval dominance) so much as the fortification needed for it to be efficient.

Fortunately we have automatic basic walls already. If we'd just go get the 100% Towers we should be able to handle a lot of foes. An army is useless if it can't be present where it's needed.


Not even solving it. We do not even recognize that it's a problem yet IC.
Just highlighting to head off one of the spates of in thread smugness.

The war would definitely help though.
It's going to be our first meatgrinder with a peer power, rather than the lowland wars where everyone came at us at the same time and we trashed them all.
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You are wrong about this basic walls are only good strategically speaking against raiders not Armies, and we do need to get watchtower up but it's never going to be a priority and pretending voters are going to vote otherwise is dangerous. Losing King of the Hill is always going to be some kind of land lost therefore we will always fight a war to keep it. If you think that the Highlanders or thunder horse could get King of the Hill from us without at least making us give up Txolla you're wrong. It all goes to how we fight Wars, we can't stand the thought of the countryside going up in flames and we will never use the defensive policy as it's never the most efficient option, so we fight hard and fast to the hilt and the way to prepare for that is to get our mercenary Armies set up beforehand and keep the tech edge we have.
 
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Chronic said:
I blame Phygrif. The only part where we are really overextended is Txolla and our new colony, Gulriver. All our other colonies and marches are very well developed. And our core is in a pretty alright shape. Could be better, but it always could be.
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We have a habit of forcing everyone in our nation to focus entirely on building wonders or preparing to build wonders.
 
I will say, if it turns out the theoretical Shadow Kingdom's main object of worship is a spider with the face of a woman Omegahugger will be very conflicted. For about three seconds before demanding a new statue in our temples.
 
SpeckofStardust said:
We have a habit of forcing everyone in our nation to focus entirely on building wonders or preparing to build wonders.
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Eh. That is better than having to constantly pump econ or stability. Our core is pretty safe from attacks through a combination of subordinate state shields and difficult terrain. I don't really see why we would need watchtowers and significant walls everywhere. Only thing we really lack is trails.
 
Why do we need Temples, Libraries or roads?

Our religious Authority is fine, our mysticism is raising rapidly and our centralization issues were solved by the Palace.

Besides, Temples and Libraries are merely extensions to their megaproject. So, from what I see, the problem is not excessive focus on megaprojects, because we don't. The project is that we're not doing what you want to do.
 
10ebbor10 said:
So, from what I see, the problem is not excessive focus on megaprojects, because we don't. The project is that we're not doing what you want to do.
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If it wasn't for this war we be doing a mega project right now, their were in fact people last turn arguing for doing the war while keeping Mega project support on so that a mega project could be started.
 
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