Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
I agree. We need to steel ourselves and focus on the future.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Asia
[X][Main] The Census
[X][Secondary] Influence Subordinate - Txolla
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] Influence Subordinate - Txolla
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
Or you know... provoke them. We have an advantage fighting defensively. Why do you want to throw it away?
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
Amusing, but we would likely achieve better outcomes by supporting Tinriver.
Going to want a citation on that.
Currently we have Centralization specs of:
-Low Yellow -1,0
-High Yellow > 5(assumed 7 for sake of argument)
Going by current patterns, we'd raise the High cap by +1 with 1 more New Trails, resulting in 6 Cent. Then we need 4x New Trails to reach the next cap raise, which will require 4x Distribute/Wildcat to pay for the Centralization room.
We have exactly enough room then, to use Wildcat and Distribute to pay for Trails indefinitely if we develop some perverse ambition to achieve Centralization 10.
Now you throw in one Enforce Justice and the margin of white between low yellow and high yellow shrinks. We can currently afford it, but remember, this margin is used to support True Cities as well and there are True Cities forming as we go that lower the cap further.
Given how things have shifted then, unless Enforce Justice is narratively called for(which in this case it's not going to help until the Law is revised), it should be taken very sparingly.
Festivals are far more efficient for generating Stability now, and at least they're narratively appropriate for addressing part of the problem..
Incidentally @Academia Nut you forgot to add Governor's Palaces to the Extended Project list?
Because using magic to do something so mundane as hammer ore is something that only people who HAVE to pound ore would think of. The Intellectual route to hammer mills is usually induced by the need for plate metal, which don't have any demand for yet.
At the same time, by Ymaryn culture, you're supposed to LIKE pounding away at ore, stone and dirt. It's a cultural stereotype, so most of the people doing ore hammering won't think to get out from the job.
Thus, it fell to the outsider who don't have the Ymaryn work ethic to think, if you have some way to repeatedly drop a heavy thing, why not use it to hammer ore instead of people?
Ah good catch.
We don't passively generate wealth on the mid turn.
For reference, this is what they are: Chinese city wall - Wikipedia
These are the walls that unlock the Great Wall. The kind of walls you use to rebuff iron age, horse riding nomad hordes, in a city that has it's own secure water supply and internal food stores for several years of siege.
It has been brought up before, but what made the Great Wall of China work on Nomads was that they'd breach or overcome a single gatehouse in the wall and flood through, then they'd ride up to the city, which had the gates already closed because the Wall set up signal fires already...and then the raid party finds itself staring at walls it cannot possibly get through. So they murder some peasants, loot some farms, and go home.
Oh wait, the gate had been retaken and the nearest cities are now crapping out armies to pincer the Nomads with no room to maneuver.
We want these because they're a partial solution to all but the most legendary waaghs.
Boats I think?
Possible, but tied to the loss of Expansion, I think someone illegally took a Vineyard or Snails action. It'd line up with that.
I'm thinking deliberately cultivating a forest for timber? With our system you'd need to do that to get the truly large trees for large ships.
- Location
- Meycauayan, Bulacan, Philippines
Provoke them how? I see no options for provoking the Northern nomads.
I agree and am voting for improved annual festival as a result.
Enforce Justice does not actually stop this corruption. Even Restore Order, which seems to be 'work outside the law because it isn't working well enough,' wouldn't help.
The fundamental problem here is that we are incapable of tracking currency throughout the land, meaning it does whatever the hell people want to do with it. In order to even begin to address the problem, we need to keep track of everyone and how much money they are receiving to see if it is too much or too little compared to what they should be receiving. At that point Restore Order becomes viable, if still rather dangerous. Enforce Justice still isn't able to work. In order for that to work we need to then take a look at the situation, discuss why these problems are arising, and then create new laws to deal with this form of corruption. At that point we will have laws to enforce to stop this level of corruption.
Meanwhile Improve Annual Festival makes people less inclined to extort other people, even if there is still a notable level of corruption, and gives us Art so we won't be so low on it once we start doing the new Law megaproject, which is likely to take Art like the last one did.
- Location
- Australia
Could we rely on our Colony to grab the Cataracts for us to free up a secondary?
Vent it next turn or the midturn into Tinriver or a Company.
But remember, Propagate transfers most of the Econ and Martial to the new colony.
Connectivity, they're changing towards us slowly. Influence would be useful certainly, if they get any worse, but currently we have better outcomes by linking to their new province...which is right past the cataracts
And that's the kind of thinking that leads to quixotic ideals crusades that actively make things worse. Don't make the perfect the enemy of the practical good.
Unless you want Stalinist Russia.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
[X] [Main] The Census
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim glory
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Great Hall Expansion (special: costs only 1 Econ and 1 Art)
We need to up stability, as for the palace we can finish the hall now, there is absolutely no reason not to take it. Also it should have very interesting narrative effects with proclaim glory.
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim glory
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Great Hall Expansion (special: costs only 1 Econ and 1 Art)
We need to up stability, as for the palace we can finish the hall now, there is absolutely no reason not to take it. Also it should have very interesting narrative effects with proclaim glory.
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They're really close, and it's probably their best expansion route now that war is out the window.
The problem is we currently don't have enough loyalty on them, or have them culturally similar enough to easily start annexing them. It will take several actions to do so. Thus, it's not really 'free,' but it lets us not have to race the clock to stop the Highlanders from getting it before us.
Yes. Last AN quest i took part in was Age of Strife. I was pretty salty with how it ended thus i avoided them until recently.
This one seems cool though.
Narratively, even with sufficient expansion room, a lot of our people will move to the Colony to seek opportunities. Given relative populations, they will be up to their necks in Core Ymaryn, further boosted by pilgrimage causing them to visit the Core. At least those that can afford it.
We should also consider deliberatively having the baby boom run to the limit and overflow into the colonies as that would allow them to build up faster and should improve loyalty as a lot of the people are loyal to Valleyhome.
But after the Census is probably better. There is a good chance that it will tell us how much room our Colonies have to absorb immigrants.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
You know, you're right. We have plenty of Econ and Wealth, and while EJ might punish Naha as easily as the tax collector, the festival is supposed to be a chance to mingle and share, which might help her learn about her options. Because if she only understood, there are opportunities within her reach.
Festival still gives the necessary Stability to kick the Law. And I reckon a bunch of the People need a good kicking.
[X] [Main] Census
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement - south of cataracts
[X] [Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
Agreed, good sheep, it's a great action, just have to fit it in amongst the many other great actions.
Hard to get more provocative than attacking someone.
- Location
- Madness realms
"Oh. Wish you could make a hammer to pound iron for me then,"
I thought this was a euphemism at first
I thought this was a euphemism at first
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
I'm not familiar with that one...
Paths of Civilization is *very* active. Often over 1000 posts a day. Hope you can keep up!
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
If only.
No, she has to literally pound iron ore with a hammer all day, then sell herself six ways at night to make ends meet
And our system is supposed to be communalist! There isn't supposed to be anyone left to starve! Thus, we need the census, so we know who we're actually feeding, and we need to update our laws on a large scale to tell the landlady and the tax collector, *you can't do this*.
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maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
@Academia Nut. Can you elaborate on the dl changes? Does double main still give privitisation?
Distribute Land - By reworking the distribution of land, the king can improve tax income and reduce pressures administrative overhead. 0/4 Progress to Min Centralization increase
*S: -1 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +1 Progress
*M: -2 Centralization, +5 Wealth, +2 Progress
Distribute Land - By reworking the distribution of land, the king can improve tax income and reduce pressures administrative overhead. 0/4 Progress to Min Centralization increase
*S: -1 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +1 Progress
*M: -2 Centralization, +5 Wealth, +2 Progress