- Location
- Mists of Albion
And is still behind the West by a large margin. The U.S, may I remind you, is much like Western Europe in that it is a Roman Successor
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Austria
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Boat economics in a war they can cut us off of literally the western and northern parts of the not-black sea and eat them.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Rising in a bubble of massive proportions. Their government just isn't prepped to deal with the society they are turning into and has no idea how to properly regulate the markets emerging in their economy. The west isn't much better, but we've been dealing with modern market economies a bit longer.
If that bubble bursts it's gonna be insane.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Deeds and contracts involve notions of ownership or the passing thereof. Which I assume is unlikely to develop in a society of nonexistent non Kingly ownership.
As for age, spread and development can vary wildly.
- Location
- United States
So their aggressively expansionist and need to be constantly fighting or conquering something to supply their ever increasing armies?
- Location
- his hidden lair
Because the numbers can easily be changed given our immense material and population advantage, because everything we've seen suggests that their forces are deployed on the opposite side of the known world, and because we're some of the greatest innovators in the world.
I'm going to assume you simply misunderstood me- we might have allies in fighting the Trelli. Namely, local Tin Tribes auxilliaries.
I'm talking about the Tin Tribes here dude. And those rumors of piracy are likely to drive the Tin Tribes into our arms if anything. They're a lot more at risk of a Trelli merc invasion/piracy campaign than we are.
So the least loyal and dedicated mercs are the ones they'd deploy to take our TP first given the other ones are really distant/under contract? Compare this to the Red Banner which has exhibited extraordinary discipline and professionalism over the course of its existence.
Any ways, AN- can you comment on the viability on leveraging our coin and trade goods along with the rumors of Trelli piracy to acquire TT auxiliaries over there?
Not really, anything shipped from GS to this new TP is nigh untouchable, our longships hug the coast in shallow waters their galleys would beach themselves on, and worst case our longships land and prepare for the Trelli galley to assault them on land- they might have to wait a few days but the galley won't have the endurance to wait them out.
Moreover, if we heard this rumor that the Trelli are aggressively pirating and conquering for valuable goods- what the fuck do you think the response of the neighbors with the incredibly valuable strategic good is? Because it's not
'fuck over our would be benefactors and pray the Trelli are merciful'.
I don't know if AN simply hasn't clarified the issue here, but if we hug the coast and there's land we can beach on- the Trelli are pretty much SOL- especially if our longships travel in numbers.
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pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Think about how Late Bronze Age civilizations were set up. 5% absolutely tyrannical, micromanaging bureaucracy. 90% illiterate farmers. 5% artisans, traders and priests.
The great tech developments of massive irrigation systems and crop rotation managed to increase food production by ~10%, and that was enough. Enough to support a bureaucracy of clerks to implement that tech, and get the tech ball rolling by supporting concentrations of experts and artisans in a handful of cities.
China got that FOR FREE. Rice paddies produced 10%+ more calories per acre than equivalent wheat fields in the west. Of course they out performed most of the west for a long time. At this stage, Econ = spare food. And they have twice the spare food we do at the same tech level.
It no longer matters who in the end win. It's an irrelevant question of who's top dog now. Climate change concerns us all, as so do over-fishing and the WMD game we are playing.
Do you think our descendants are going to give a damn about who's on top when they're combating climate change and other global issues?
It's going to affect us badly, not just China. China's problem became the West's problem due to the sheer level of interconnection and trade.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sorry. Misread that block post you put up.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
So about how many Mercenary Companies do they have? If we know we'd be hard-pressed to defend against them, and attacking them is right out, about what is their Military score?
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
No their basically going to side with the trellis because of the you know long time trading partners of value?
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Hahahhahahahahahhahahahah.
Oh god that's funny, you think they can eat our Northern Black Sea costal territories? They couldn't even take Greenshore, it's too large and established for that!
They could take the Eastern Trade Post with a rough fight, but you seem to be vastly overestimating them, the only reason they have a chance against us is because they will basically be fighting a newborn Trade Post and a Red Banner Company with minor support, get an actual Royal army as back up and they will get fucked.
They control Trade to the south, but that is not as important as we need it less than them. They cannot take anything other than the Eastern Trading Post from us and even then it would be a tough fight for them.
Overall they have the potential to be really, really dangerous later on, but right now? Now is the time to kill them.
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maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
One must Define backwards and the context of it.
The two had more differences than similarities, and a straight up comparison of backwardness is hard, since they operated on some identical principles and other opposing ones. If tis the similarities we compare, then it's a difference of scale and abundance rather than system lag.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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- Trumpistan
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- He/Him
Ya. Welcome to globalized society.
This sort of collapse is one of the biggest reason everyone is always digging at China for manipulating their currency to keep it deflated relative to the rest of the world. It's a manufactured value that will collapse when they can't manage it anymore.
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The original lowlanders died because someone took offense to them and decided to break their civ before they emerged as an even greater threat.
In that analogy, The People are what breaks Trelli for pushing this button. And if we decide not to, I'm much less clear about them being broken in general.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
*wipes tear*
Beautiful and true <3
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The notion of ownership or the passing thereof is not contingent upon a King existing or not. Ownership is avowedly a fairly fundamental mindset, considering how mine-y young children are.
Deeds & Contracts require a formal acknowledgment of right to ownership or the passing thereof, which mostly just requires a formal system within which this acknowledgment can take place. This doesn't require something as formal as law, it can be as simple as a communal acknowledgement of stated intent (i.e. wills) or communal recognition of ownership typically for the purpose of being supplied to an uninformed outside e.g. certificates, deeds.
Law, however, helps extricate ownership from local community politics (e.g. the black sheep of the family inherits a ranch, town is mad but must acknowledge the law). The Trell have currency and thus have formal systems and thus can be assumed to have some form of law.
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Actually, it was the West that was top dog for quite a time(in that we're talking about the Fertile Crescent). Then it reversed as civilizations fall, as they all do.
- Location
- his hidden lair
'I'm a conquering Venice/Roman hybrid with an ever expanding mercenary army increasingly convinced seizing goods is better than trading for them'
'I'm a nearby civ with valuable strategic resources and I am totally unconcerned with these new developments'
Come back when you have a better argument than that.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
You are underestimating someone who we have never even seen fight before.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
You mean because China is doing the same thing that USA is doing with their dollar to petroleum?
Both sides have bubbles and both side can't live without the other. Unless people think great depression is sunshine and flowers.
- Location
- Austria
It was the weather that broke the lowlanders.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
People with valuable goods are the people they been cozying up to when it comes to were their getting their mercs.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Continue to believe that the people AN has said would struggle to take on an isolated Red Banner could attack our kingdom directly.
I'm usually paranoid but that's just ridiculous, especially as West Wall can supply armies directly to Green Shore as they did during the second to last Great Nomad War when they sent aid to the Metal Workers in the form of armies.