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No, seriously, our every trait is compatible to TGG, come to think of it.

Although results of We Have Reserves + TGG combo will probably be...glorious to us and devastating to everyone involved.


VoidZero said:
We have no shortage of labor intensive work so no worries on rise of luddites. (Workers displaced by machine and without equivalent replacement work)

And we already are leaning on people as a whole and work is good, so no risk from that end either.

(Would have used "work set you free" but that phrase have terrible connection.)
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We kind of feed and house literally everyone, so luddites would have way less impulse to appear, no danger of starving your family and all that.
 
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Dams? Sound interesting. Circumstances permitting I could get behind that... eventually.

First, we need to:
  1. Finish the Palace
  2. Integrate the Stallions
  3. Restore Stability to 3 and start a Golden Age
  4. Complete the Census
  5. Complete The Law (Iron Age)
  6. Build Lots of Roads, and maybe Temples
  7. Influence or Integrate our current subordinate states as appropriate. Expand as appropriate.
After that, The Dam would definitely be a front-runner, along the The Games, a Saltern, and palace expansions. Well, unless something comes up by then; in that case we might have to deal with it instead.

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pblur said:
I'm seriously glad we're getting some thread will behind this. Hopefully it survives Tax season...
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No objection to doing it, just need to figure out where it fits in.

Post-environment crisis is probably better, so that we have stable rains to work with. There's been speculation that if we already had it, the weather might have broken it.

You know, the cost is not so big. Just Econ. What if we did it alongside the Census (targeting an extra Legacy), instead of the Games? I'm guessing that the Dam would give Econ benefits when done, which might help us work on The Law.
 
ThrawnCA said:
No objection to doing it, just need to figure out where it fits in.

Post-environment crisis is probably better, so that we have stable rains to work with. There's been speculation that if we already had it, the weather might have broken it.

You know, the cost is not so big. Just Econ. What if we did it alongside the Census (targeting an extra Legacy), instead of the Games? I'm guessing that the Dam would give Econ benefits when done, which might help us work on The Law.
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The original Law was art and mysticism if I recall correctly.
 
ThrawnCA said:
No objection to doing it, just need to figure out where it fits in.

Post-environment crisis is probably better, so that we have stable rains to work with. There's been speculation that if we already had it, the weather might have broken it.

You know, the cost is not so big. Just Econ. What if we did it alongside the Census (targeting an extra Legacy), instead of the Games? I'm guessing that the Dam would give Econ benefits when done, which might help us work on The Law.
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I could get behind that. I'm tired of Dam-kun being sad and longing.
 
PrimalShadow said:
  1. Finish the Palace
  2. Integrate the Stallions
  3. Restore Stability to 3 and start a Golden Age
  4. Complete the Census
  5. Complete The Law (Iron Age)
  6. Build Lots of Roads, and maybe Temples
  7. Influence or Integrate our current subordinate states as appropriate. Expand as appropriate.
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Those things aren't necessarily sequential, though. We're already building roads alongside the Palace, and it may be useful to do some integrations to help fund it.

Also, AN has hinted before that there might be extra effects from finishing a megaproject during a Golden Age. There's time to boost Stability before the Palace is done, anyway.

And with the Census being fully refunded, I like the suggestion of doubling up and doing a second project in parallel. The Games are one possibility because they're cheap, but the Dam is not very expensive and might give better payoff.
 
ThrawnCA said:
There's time to boost Stability before the Palace is done, anyway.
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You don't have to sell ME on it; increasing Stability ASAP is one of my main priorities. The problem is that it is hard to do when doing a megaproject; the megaproject encourages double mains (because free secondary!), and even if we if we change to Megaproject Support it encourages an action on the Megaproject because Symphony.

So not sure how we could fit it in reasonably in the future.
 
ThrawnCA said:
And with the Census being fully refunded, I like the suggestion of doubling up and doing a second project in parallel. The Games are one possibility because they're cheap, but the Dam is not very expensive and might give better payoff.
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Tell you what. Get us to max stability first and resolve any wars we may have (freeing up our policy actions for Megaproject Support), and I'll even back you with trying two megaprojects simultaneously.


Until then, even one megaproject puts us at significant risk of gygo if we are forced to divert our attention elsewhere, much less two megaprojects.
 
Susano said:
We still have the lowlands to worry about. We need the provinces to wage our wars for us, so that we are freed from that concern in our main and secondary actions. So we should stay at Offensive.
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I would rather use our main and secondary actions for war, and let the provinces do something they're better at - in this case, the megaproject.

Reason I say they're better at it is because they fight blindly. If there's a lull in the fighting, for example, like this past turn, we could use that to achieve other things, but the provinces will just expand the army. Megaproject policy suits their single-minded approach better.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Tell you what. Get us to max stability first and resolve any wars we may have (freeing up our policy actions for Megaproject Support), and I'll even back you with trying two megaprojects simultaneously.
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:D AN mentioned a possible benefit (probably legacy) from completing a single megaproject during a golden age, and now you're talking about getting *double* megaproject bonuses during a Golden Age! I like your style!

ETA Now all we need is for the climate to drag on longer than expected, so we can also do it during a double crisis.
 
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ThrawnCA said:
:D AN mentioned a possible benefit (probably legacy) from completing a single megaproject during a golden age, and now you're talking about getting *double* megaproject bonuses during a Golden Age! I like your style!

ETA Now all we need is for the climate to drag on longer than expected, so we can also do it during a double crisis.
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Climate change resolving means trade can resume and we get more wealth, which buffer the damage from the taxation crisis. Also, don't we have like 4-5 turns left?
 
I think the reason why mills are as stat-inefficient as they are as because we haven't innovated enough with their use to get to the truly efficient designs.
 
Candesce said:
As a land management project, the Dam is a stability source, if an expensive one.
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Sure. Let's go with "expensive". Certainly, at 5-7 Main Actions for 1 Stability, it couldn't be called cheap. o_O

In any case, we wouldn't (or, more precisely, shouldn't) be starting the Dam until we've maxed stability, and we can't exactly use the Dam's stability boost before starting it.

ThrawnCA said:
:D AN mentioned a possible benefit (probably legacy) from completing a single megaproject during a golden age, and now you're talking about getting *double* megaproject bonuses during a Golden Age! I like your style!
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Well, I refuse to do something as reckless as starting TWO megaprojects unless we've cleared out everything else that could distract us.
 
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