Paths of Civilization
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
It seems like doing the start of trails may have tightened things, but I'm hopeful that as we actually get the trails up to an acceptable level, they'll improve the situation.
If you smell something rotten, and open the cupboard to find potatoes making vodka, you just made the smell worse. But once you clean up, it's better than before.
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Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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- He/Him
Yeah, specifically here's the quote:
Which is ambiguous as to whether "it's possible" applies to the "you have a two yellow warning this time" as well.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
Well fuck me sideways. Never mind then.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Sorry your vote is not valid. We only have the Lowland Minors as a Vassal.
If it was Integrate March then this would be valid.
E: NVM blackbirded.
- Location
- Staring into the void
Inserted tally
- Location
- Austria
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
> is late to the vote
> bandwagon is exactly what he would have voted for
Huh. What am I supposed to argue about and be salty over now?
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
> is late to the vote
> bandwagon is exactly what he would have voted for
Huh. What am I supposed to argue about and be salty over now?
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Very harmonious.
- Location
- The People's Saltern
It sounds like 0-1-2-3-4-5 in the best case. It's a fun time for everyone.
He also hasn't been announcing tolerance changes because we don't have the tech needed to recognize them.
I'd hold off on integration for now. Every new province adds way more complexity than the last. I don't think we can afford another Centralization Tolerance drop before the Palace completes.
I think there was a mention in an update somewhere before this.
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[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X][React] Main Expand Econ
The trails are extremely valuable but taking it now removes the possibility of doing Megaproject Support -> 3x Megaproject. This is a very significant loss. I'd much rather get the full 3x progress and do a main trails with our primary turn actions.
Specifically, we're at 7 -> 5 from our actions. -2 from True City, -1 because provinces maintain a buffer, so we'll see 2 actions and a secondary Expand Econ if we go onto Megaproject Support.
That being said the trails are really important, so I'm not gonna complain or get salty. It's a single secondary lost, and we've wasted far more than that before.
Either way we need to do a secondary enforce justice and swap policy next turn, so we're losing a secondary there anyway.
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X][React] Main Expand Econ
The trails are extremely valuable but taking it now removes the possibility of doing Megaproject Support -> 3x Megaproject. This is a very significant loss. I'd much rather get the full 3x progress and do a main trails with our primary turn actions.
Specifically, we're at 7 -> 5 from our actions. -2 from True City, -1 because provinces maintain a buffer, so we'll see 2 actions and a secondary Expand Econ if we go onto Megaproject Support.
That being said the trails are really important, so I'm not gonna complain or get salty. It's a single secondary lost, and we've wasted far more than that before.
Either way we need to do a secondary enforce justice and swap policy next turn, so we're losing a secondary there anyway.
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- Location
- Illinois
I think this is a vote everyone is happy with. Roads are loved by everyone, we have juuust enough resources to make both the south and north happy, not to mention we would hopefully get mortar out of the alchemy action, and the gems both lower centralization and get us more wealth, along with hopefully letting us dominate another trade good.
The only downside is that it will cost a fair amount of resources, including a bunch of art, but we can survive that.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Yeah, but concrete wouldn't allow for a better drainage system for the roads. Maybe inside the cities, where you want to direct the water, but on country trails you want the water to be partially directed off to the sides but generally just absorbed, making gravel and stone sufficient.
@Abby Normal thx, yeah. I was looking for the quote to double check.
I would say that it is unambiguous that we have a "two yellow warning," however. The "it's possible" is in a completely different clause and the sentence "and you have a two yellow warning" lacks the "that" which would allow for it to still be affected by "It's possible that..."
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
With a war still going on, we were never going to be able to do the project at maximum speed.
But! Maybe Western Wall will donate another province?
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Personally, I put long odds against megaproject policy next turn. I think we need one more turn of offense to pacify the lowlands.
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- United States
People can reach the King easier and quicker, so there are more people willing to make the journey and complain to the King about stuff.
It also becomes more cost efficient to trade within provinces, so more goods will be moved around the provinces more often, which is more stuff that the King has to oversee in a command economy.
There are probably a ton more reasons, but those are the ones that came off the top of my head.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
- Location
- Sydney
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send some artisans to help develop it (-2 Art, -1 Centralization, +3 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main Expand Econ
[X] [WC] Send some artisans to help develop it (-2 Art, -1 Centralization, +3 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main Expand Econ
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
Inb4 sapphire used for competing palace wonder, they finish theirs first thanks to our mine and our palace is seen as an imitation.
[Main] War (If needed) + Red Banner
[Secondary] Enforce Justice
[Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject
It would've easily worked out, heck we'll probably want to do something like this anyway.
edit: Though that'd delay the roads again, so yeah, like I said, I'm fine with doing this now.
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
Yeah, that's generally assumed to be the narrative reason.
Which relates to my earlier comment about how things might get better once we have enough trails that those problems get (by and large) actually fixed.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
poetry contest to continue through each town
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
So...what's the big advantage of the triple megaproject action? The provinces will just do Expand Econ themselves. They'll still have room to work on the megaproject, so they'll still get the Law bonus.
Sure, it's cool, but...more trails! Trails make everything better! You name an aspect of our civilization, and I'll tell you how
- Location
- Illinois
Probably free as well. Especially since most foreigners would be traders that are fairly well known to us, and who would be using the major roads that are meant for trade. The refugees are sorted at our borders after all, so it's not like we'd have random foreigners as a common sight.