TheDanishLord
Viking Warlord
- Location
- Denmark
If we do alot library we might get something like The Great Library wonder
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
If we do alot library we might get something like The Great Library wonder
- Location
- Philippines
[X] [Loc] Redshore
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Storehouse
[X] Great Hall Expansion
Why do you people want the capital to be valleyhome when redshore is the preferred province because of ease of access it will just create more problems later down the line as delegates will have hard time reaching the capital.
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Storehouse
[X] Great Hall Expansion
Why do you people want the capital to be valleyhome when redshore is the preferred province because of ease of access it will just create more problems later down the line as delegates will have hard time reaching the capital.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Redshore - Disadvantages: Smaller population, far fewer highly educated people already present, furthest administratively from the lowlands, sewage handling requires an upgrade in the nearish future, will likely require a library and/or temple upgrade in the near future
Valleyhome - Advantages: Large urban population, many of whom are already involved in administration, the pre-existing library and old traditions make it exceptionally well suited to simply being upgraded, closest to the lowlands problems, going forward likely to be even more at the population centre of the People as more of the lowlands become involved with the People
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Mostly the "requires a 2 main action, 8 econ aqueduct 'nearish future'" and "likely will require either a library (1 main, 2 myst, 2 art) or temple (1 main, 2 econ, 2 art) in the near future" bits, personally; we have a lot of stuff we need to do with our econ, art, and actions, and while i originally supported redshore (and sacred forest), and would choose it in a contextless void, in our current context i dont think its worth it. Maybe if that diplo critfail i just complained about hadn't happened, and we were safe on wealth and only had one war right now, then i'd be pushing for either redshore or a more elaborate initial palace, but with 2 wars and a wealth drain of 0-2/turn with 6 wealth...we're in too precarious a position right now, imo.
[X] [Loc] Valleyhome
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
Hall expansion might not win, but there's a possibility of having the space reserved if it's popular enough according to AN, so voting for it anyway.
Edit: Adding vote
[X] Storehouse
[X] Gardens
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
Hall expansion might not win, but there's a possibility of having the space reserved if it's popular enough according to AN, so voting for it anyway.
Edit: Adding vote
[X] Storehouse
[X] Gardens
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Deliberate.
This is the product of priests, guildmasters, oligarches, clan leaders squabbling over a 100 year period for compromises
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I think he is talking about us, veekie, not in character.
But, in support, I think we sort of represent the administrators of the people. Our arguments are theirs.
@Academia Nut, where would the Place to the Stars go? I believe initially it would be located at Rainbow Trail (since that was our first observatory) but many things have changed since then.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
@Academia Nut Have the requirements to construct the Place to the Stars altered due to increased technological capacity and presumably the records we've garnered over a long-ish time studying the stars?
Would it benefit from or take the place of a temple?
Would it benefit from or take the place of a temple?
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The two primary places are Horse Valley or Star Mirror.
The form has changed considerably, it would be more like a temple complex than say Stonehenge.
Lets see. Just breaking this down for ease-of-use, Valleyhome has:
(+) The skilled workers we need to staff our Palace,
(+) A long-standing culture suitable for the Palace,
(+) Infrastructure that can support the Palace,
(+) Proximity to the lowlands, and
(+) A likelihood of being even more of a center for the People than it already is as time goes on.
However, it is
(-) Far away from our furthest point
In contrast, Redshore is the opposite -
(-) lack of skilled workers,
(-) no particular culture advantage,
(-) none of the necessary infrastructure, and
(-) greater distance from the lowlands.
However, it is
(+) a trade hub, and
(+) is exceptionally connected.
I know quantity isn't the end-all-be-all here, but I'm really not seeing Redshore's very few advantages outweighing its very many dissadvantages.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
How important do our priests think it would be to have a long(ish) study stars chain going before we start Place to the Stars?
(You know, assuming we can get through the 3+ megaprojects and more between us and even thinking about building it without it changing in type again due to other tech advances
)
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
disappears if we expand further to the south. Strengthens if we extend to the north or Trell instead.
- Location
- Asia
[X] [Loc] Valleyhome
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Nice assessment here veekie. But I want to note that "more work" boils down to 4-5 main actions worth at least for temple, library, and aqueduct. That is what is required to make Redshore ready as a city.
One thing is that as we move forward, Valleyhome will be more central than even Redshore unless we only expand westward, which is obviously not happening. (I would rather just expand west, but we picked Phygrif the Burner.). However, the geographic distance isn't the biggest concern, as the proximity of Redshore to Valleyhome means any delays for critical information are on the sea->Redshore connection.
And on messaging time to Valleyhome.
I'm assuming that month of travel is from Greenshore
The other major consideration is the set of disadvantages in Redshore. It's hefty as hell, and doesn't just boil down to "more work". The lack of highly educated people is also a social constraint for getting everything established. That is something only fixed by time, and at least a generation or two.
- Location
- Australia
@Academia Nut, where does our admin advisor think we should build the palace and what annexes does he recommend we build?
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
@Academia Nut A couple questions about our vassal, and some general stuff, because i had the thought that we might want to turn the Lowland minors into a march to tie them more closely to us, even if it meant forgoing a megaproject action and a secondary one turn, and then realized that might be a terrible idea:
1. How were/are the trails in our vassal, both before and after this generation's trail building?
-Do they use gravel roads? or at least our system of managed trails, which i think we manage better than most of our neighbors do, especially with our "wooden/stone steps in hills"?
-How do our roads compare, both to them and to other civs our People have visited (or fought in)?
2. If we turn them into a march or colony, then:
-Do we automatically teach them iron secrets, our advanced chariots and armor and other techs?
-Does that inherently help shift their culture towards ours?
-How much would they consider themselves Ymaryn at that point?
-How likely would they be to consider succession compared to our other provinces if we made them a march without using the influence subordinate action on them first?
3. How much if at all do we help them with the climate issues, and managing any forests or farms or whatnot that they have?
4. How effective would an untargeted double main influence subordinate be, both in absolute terms and in comparison to the effect a single secondary would have on any given subordinate?
1. How were/are the trails in our vassal, both before and after this generation's trail building?
-Do they use gravel roads? or at least our system of managed trails, which i think we manage better than most of our neighbors do, especially with our "wooden/stone steps in hills"?
-How do our roads compare, both to them and to other civs our People have visited (or fought in)?
2. If we turn them into a march or colony, then:
-Do we automatically teach them iron secrets, our advanced chariots and armor and other techs?
-Does that inherently help shift their culture towards ours?
-How much would they consider themselves Ymaryn at that point?
-How likely would they be to consider succession compared to our other provinces if we made them a march without using the influence subordinate action on them first?
3. How much if at all do we help them with the climate issues, and managing any forests or farms or whatnot that they have?
4. How effective would an untargeted double main influence subordinate be, both in absolute terms and in comparison to the effect a single secondary would have on any given subordinate?
Da Boyz
The Cutest Apocalypse.
@Academia Nut does the fact that we a war truncate the length of our turns somewhat? Because while understandable if it's just a 5-10 year period its somewhat odd to think about these wars going on for decades on end.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I think he already told us:
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I think that broad a question would just get
"The general admin adviser starts to talk about how great Redshore will be as a centerpoint once everything is complete when the Land management and artisan advisors shout him down, talking about how he's biased because his daughter is the trade chief for Redshore and how the People have way too many fires to put out to be building up another city, only for the head Priest and Spirits chief to chime in that all the Gygo going on is a clear sign that the king needs to be closer to the main temple..."
or
"That depends on what you want the palace to be used for, i guess, sir?"