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pblur said:
It's unsustainable. We WILL have time to digest the lowland minors.
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They might be able to mount a real defense within a turn after the crisis ends, which could be as soon as 2 turns from now.

That being said I can see why people wouldn't want to risk a government type transition, so I'm fine with getting just the Stallions and then getting the Palace and Census.

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Although it does do a bit of a weird spin on the question of complicity, in that you sort of handed a loaded weapon to a known killer and then pointed him at someone you didn't like.
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I mean, that's kinda our thing, no? Bring in the Nomads to storm the lowlands.
 
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veekie said:
They buggered off on the sole reason that once our main army is back they're fucked even if they did damage.
For once in their life, they realized that fighting a superior power is just pain.
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Yes, and? Is that supposed to detract from what happened?

All of you guys who responded to me seem to be misunderstanding my position here.

I'm not offering to reward them for being moral or whatever, I'm suggesting we bribe them to remain neutral and show them exactly where the balance of power lies.

Call them a good boy and toss them a bone for showing that they're capable of being trained. Meanwhile, we turn our attention to the HK fully.

Once we're done with that, we turn back to the Thunder Speakers and say "We are all-powerful. We own the lowlands. We own YOUR lands. But we are not unkind. We remember your 'aid', did we not reward you for it? Join us, be a good boy. We will give you headpats. Let's not make us burn yet more cities before this is done."


Do you see where I'm going with this? Their motives are irrelevant. Their actions, so long as they don't force us to respond, are irrelevant.

We treat them as friends now, and that opens the door for us to subjugate them later.
 
Academia Nut said:
But yeah, that's a question I was not looking forward to asking should you guys go to war with the Xohyssiri and get to their walls. Although it does do a bit of a weird spin on the question of complicity, in that you sort of handed a loaded weapon to a known killer and then pointed him at someone you didn't like.
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...you really have to ask this after Glass Storms?
 
Sivantic said:
Won't do much good. Lowlands is already magnificent agriculture property. They are more likely to be appreciate having someone back them so they don't get raided every other day. Right now though, they would just like some help cleaning up

Sauce:
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1. They are now swampy and we have chinampas we can teach them.
2. With sufficient learn2farm they will get the one true glory of Forests.

pblur said:
Or we could just elect another blunt instrument king.

Divine Stewards can't cascade fail if there's noone left to take your land.

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Fair enough, especially since our people seem to do fine while blunt instrument bludgeons folk to death.

Overall, my inner grand strategy player is very happy with the turn and fine with the current badwagon.


But we really need to invest more in periphery: I would like to build one Temple+Library in Hatriver, North and Lowlands, with roads from each to Valleyhome and Sacred Forest.

Because when was the last time we gave things to periphery?

Also, lol. Our Hatvalley colony will attack Highlanders from behind.
 
redzonejoe said:
Yes, and? Is that supposed to detract from what happened?

All of you guys who responded to me seem to be misunderstanding my position here.

I'm not offering to reward them for being moral or whatever, I'm suggesting we bribe them to remain neutral and show them exactly where the balance of power lies.

Call them a good boy and toss them a bone for showing that they're capable of being trained. Meanwhile, we turn our attention to the HK fully.

Once we're done with that, we turn back to the Thunder Speakers and say "We are all-powerful. We own the lowlands. We own YOUR lands. But we are not unkind. We remember your 'aid', did we not reward you for it? Join us, be a good boy. We will give you headpats. Let's not make us burn yet more cities before this is done."


Do you see where I'm going with this? Their motives are irrelevant. Their actions, so long as they don't force us to respond, are irrelevant.

We treat them as friends now, and that opens the door for us to subjugate them later.
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I'd rather do as we had done before. Someone reaches out, "Sure! We'll haelp you ou- wait, do you eat babies? No? Great! Here's a tree."

Otherwise we stick to our worker ants ethics and stick to ourselves, unless poked at in which case we unleash ALL THE ANTS
 
Academia Nut said:
You know, there is definitely something dark lurking within the People. They know they have to fuck up the lowlands but don't want to get their hands dirty, so they have repeatedly found ways for the nomads to do it for them. It's kind of interesting to think about.
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I suppose that's why our government seems so cutthroat and we have spawned the first Intrigue hero that we know of.
Us being manipulative vampires that make others do the work for us while we suck their blood is a rather apt comparison for us.
 
Academia Nut said:
You know, there is definitely something dark lurking within the People. They know they have to fuck up the lowlands but don't want to get their hands dirty, so they have repeatedly found ways for the nomads to do it for them. It's kind of interesting to think about.
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Wow, never thought of it that way. So part of the reason the People hate the nomads might be because the People offload all their own negative traits onto their perceptions of the nomads. So the nomads become the incarnation of destruction, even though it is the manipulation of the People that creates that destruction.

Crow really is a fitting god for the Ymaryn.
 
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Raichu1972 said:
I suppose that's why our government seems so cutthroat and we have spawned the first Intrigue hero that we know of.
Us being manipulative vampires that make others do the work for us while we suck their blood is a rather apt comparison for us.
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Um, no, there's been intrigue heroes before. We're coming in late to it. Pretty sure anyway, it was brought more than a few turns back and mentioned that someone else had one.

Her being an Intrigue hero is solely an extension of how she specifically was raised.
 
The interesting thing is that since we pulled back the main army our vassals and mercenary company took the brunt of the emotional and cultural backlash I would not be surprised if the red banners now have a different honor value from doing what they did.
 
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We elected him to resolve a political crisis and to buy us more time, but didn't realize the second order and third order consequences. Not to mention it was completely unnecessary.

Spectrum said:
Look, I voted for corrupt administrator guy, don't blame me.
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Ghostdevil said:
I voted for RULWYNA YEA, so I aint complicit in any genocide! Woot
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Rubbing it in the rest of the playerbase isn't how we prevent this kind of disaster from happening again. I think we all collectively learned an important lesson from all of this.

Academia Nut said:
You know, there is definitely something dark lurking within the People. They know they have to fuck up the lowlands but don't want to get their hands dirty, so they have repeatedly found ways for the nomads to do it for them. It's kind of interesting to think about.
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With the nomad king in charge, the blood is definitely on the Ymaryn's hands.

Even if we don't go to war, we found way to screw with the rest of the lowlands through CA. We really did suck the Hathatyn dry to the point that they are now us.
 
Academia Nut said:
You know, there is definitely something dark lurking within the People. They know they have to fuck up the lowlands but don't want to get their hands dirty, so they have repeatedly found ways for the nomads to do it for them. It's kind of interesting to think about.
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I mean, they are trying to be better than others, but in the end, they are still children of their time. And it shows in their external politics - they do not like burning down cities, but they are okay with it, and not liking it is actually a sign of being morally better than, well, a lot of armies im history.

@Academia Nut , what would Hatriver and Hatvalley like to have from the government?
 
Spectrum said:
Um, no, there's been intrigue heroes before. We're coming in late to it. Pretty sure anyway, it was brought more than a few turns back and mentioned that someone else had one.

Her being an Intrigue hero is solely an extension of how she specifically was raised.
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Perhaps In-game, but we the players have constantly been undermining others using alternative tactics.
Kiba said:
Rubbing it in the rest of the playerbase isn't how we prevent this kind of disaster from happening again. I think we all collectively learned an important lesson from all of this.
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Nay, but it is good to soothe my hurt feelings from not winning to rub your guys's failure in your face (◕‿◕)♡
 
Academia Nut said:
You know, there is definitely something dark lurking within the People. They know they have to fuck up the lowlands but don't want to get their hands dirty, so they have repeatedly found ways for the nomads to do it for them. It's kind of interesting to think about.
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Well we buined them so we are the ones that get to write the history. In the history books they will be known as unclean baby eaters that were mostly destoried by the people they oppressed with only some outside help.
 
Citino said:
But he's our ass!

Still find it funny that he's probably going to be one of the most beloved kings we've ever had, even though a large part of the player base hates him.
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I love him! Admittedly, I wanted to burn the city, slaughter it's entire nobility and priest faction, and dump a couple of tailing pits across the area just to be certain that people got the message, but two out of three ain't bad.
Academia Nut said:
I will say one thing for all of this mess: I did not have to ask the thread whether or not they wanted to commit genocide. They just elected someone who would do it for them without thinking if given the opportunity...

Wow, in that perspective that went a lot darker than I initially intended.

But yeah, that's a question I was not looking forward to asking should you guys go to war with the Xohyssiri and get to their walls. Although it does do a bit of a weird spin on the question of complicity, in that you sort of handed a loaded weapon to a known killer and then pointed him at someone you didn't like.
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I've been wanting to culturally genocide the Xoh for a while now. Just like with the Glass Storms...and the Union Boys...it's surprising how often I end up hating enemy factions in your quests.

More surprising is that in two cases, they were nominally friendly for a time.

Ah, well, if they manage to get back on their feet, we'll probably elect one of them as king.

It just occurred to me. CA made all of this possible. Without it, there's no way in hell we would have accepted a Nomad King. It hurts us fairly often, but it hurts everyone else even more. And it's predicated on charity.

"Without love, you cannot burn your enemies to the ground!"
 
Academia Nut said:
I will say one thing for all of this mess: I did not have to ask the thread whether or not they wanted to commit genocide. They just elected someone who would do it for them without thinking if given the opportunity...

Wow, in that perspective that went a lot darker than I initially intended.

But yeah, that's a question I was not looking forward to asking should you guys go to war with the Xohyssiri and get to their walls. Although it does do a bit of a weird spin on the question of complicity, in that you sort of handed a loaded weapon to a known killer and then pointed him at someone you didn't like.
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...In our defense, we didn't think he'd be able to actually kill that "someone we didn't like", and its not our fault he invented a better weapon to do it? :V
 
Academia Nut said:
AN: Because of Phygrif's influence, the temple will go to a northern province if selected, hence the limited options there
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[X] [Wonder] Temple
He deserves it. Though I really love the other options...

Academia Nut said:
The east had a longer path to go from the nearest settlement to the Highlanders, but was also closer to the core territories of both kingdoms and there was somewhat more room to maneuver. The west would fight out of Hatvalley, which had a long trip from core territories but more local support, but would be going through narrow mountain passes into heavily fortified settlements, which was perhaps where the Red Banner would be best deployed. Then again they could possibly use a few years to rest and rearm after the fighting with the Xohyssiri.
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[X] [RB] Rest, restores strength

Spear/Bow fights in tight terrain much better than in open terrain. Plus, we're not trying to conquer more land, we can barely deal with the land we already have.
 
Point is! We made it out alive!

Cracked a few eggs to get here, but there you go. No use crying over spilled milk when we have a cake to bake.

...I am famished.
 
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