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- Mists of Albion
Yessssss. Want
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
If we really want to go to war with another nation on the basis that they're nasty and threatening our trade, then how about going after the Xoh? Who still sacrifice children behind their wall of human skulls? And who, incidentally, are sitting on a whole chunk of extremely valuable land, and already have others going after them, so we'd have help.
ETA I'm not saying that we actually should do that. But if we really want a war, they seem like a better target.
- Location
- Austria
He is British with nostalgia for 'good old times', so what did you expact?
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
My wall of text question about that is going to come to fruition, yessssssssss
- Location
- Mists of Albion
They already are. Didn't you see the recent Trade Table they are already threatening one of our Trade Dominants, and with everything continuing to set itself on fire all around us we can't afford to focus on keeping up
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
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- Ranch
[X] [Curr] Yes, for everyone (Stability loss?, Other effects?, establishes currency)
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Too big, not as big a threat to COT, and no one wants to go into the Lowlands.
One city state would be far easier to conquer
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
I'm guessing that one of those "other effects?" is the possibility of a crisis a la tax reform.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
I don't know about people's view of large body of water, but i would rather not ship large amount of people over long distance to occupy someone. It's a really bad idea when we need the weather to be in cooperative mode for any war plan.
Of course, it's different if people are interested in making the black sea our inner sea.
Of course, it's different if people are interested in making the black sea our inner sea.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Our fiat currency system probably won't be effected by this, assuming that we stay with the fiat aspect and use silver simply to reduce the amount of counterfeiting that occurs.
- Location
- indeterminate, possibly non-existent
- Pronouns
- Any
...Any attempt at war which would have even the faintest chance of actually succeeding given their distance and fleet designed for deep-water combat would be far more expensive both in actions, stats and opportunity cost than simply improving our production of dye, which we still have a direct action for, and might be significantly improved by the action we are about to take anyway.
- Location
- Austria
[X] [Curr] Yes, for everyone (Stability loss?, Other effects?, establishes currency)
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
[X] [Horse] Openly allow but regulate it (-1 Religious Authority, potential stability loss)
[X] [Hero] Provide sponsorship (Main Study Tailings under Mystic Hero, possible Legitimacy loss, possible Religious Authority loss)
[X] [Infra] Build aqueduct in Sacred Forest (-4 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion, increased True City threshold)
Keep in mind it's also under the auspices of our below average stewardship leader. Then again, who knows what influence the 2nd hero might pull off.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Actually quick question @Academia Nut do our people remember any part of the tax crisis, like has it become a part of legend and myth or has it become lost to time completely?
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Am hoping it will lead to privatisation to lessen administrative overhead.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
They don't threaten our dominance, because they can't reach the vast majority of our trading partners and have no interest in doing so. Arguably, the Hathatyn could trade with them for trade goods that would challenge us, but that would cost a great deal and they didn't when the Trelli were their colony, so it's unlikely this will occur.
At the moment, the Hathatyn are the biggest threat to CoT Dominance due to their ability to compete in dyes, wine, and - if they build even a single saltern - salt. If we're going to vassalize someone we should do it to the HR first.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Err, the Trelli are explicitly threatening two of our trade positions; they're italic on the trade display in both wine and fine dyes:
Also, they are listed for salt, either through a saltern or another major source (but with our 2 salterns and the distance involved enough to prevent them from threatening our dominance) or through trade with someone else that has that or another major source...
Yes. But the big deal here is that the Nomads are not going to be very far behind on the horse riding thing.
Which means they no longer need copper to make Spoked Chariots.
Which means the Nomads are going to transition to horse archer hordes in the next 10-20 turns or so and become really really hard to deal with
We have measures, but not a unified royal measure yet. Every smith likely has a set of measures that they pass down via apprenticeship, so I'd be very surprised if two smiths on opposite sides of Valleyhome had the same measures.
Ah, missed that.
Supplied a Trait evolution and generally showed everyone how to fight better?
Or you know, look at the Ymaryn, and Spirit Talkers.
We hardly let Nomads just pass through our valley to get to the South, or Lowlanders do the reverse. Yes, they theoretically COULD walk through Ymaryn lands and refuse to trade until they reach the other side, but really the main difference between us being the trade nexus between the Metal Workers, Nomads, Highlands and Xohyssiri and the Trelli being the trade nexus between our little sea and the greater ocean is ease of travel.
So what happens when people want to use a route you control is down to several levels of restriction.
-Closed borders - You only really see this much at war, or leading up to war. This is when they don't let your traders through period.
-Tolled/Tribute borders - This actually doesn't happen a lot in this era, mostly because there's no standard way to assess a toll.
-Trade requirement - This is the normal course of things. For towns in passes and ports alike, traders are expected to stop and exchange goods, as well as perform resupply. If you don't trade, then you're just a strange force of foreign armed men passing through their land. This gives the local settlements trade power, because they get first pick, allowing them to retrade internally, and get to charge the traders for food and lodgings.
-Free trade - This is an abnormal situation, generally allowed only to very close allies, or more often, vassals to lords.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
We finished the law right around the same time, so it's probably a section of the steles that's been repeatedly "struck through" and rewritten
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Well, at least we're only suffering a threat to dominance on fine dyes.
I still support consuming more Hathatyn land before invading. It should buffer our wine stores some.
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maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
And we need to privatise land ASAP, the clerks already think the accumulation of wealth is bad, this will only get worse with time.
Spectrum
Tell me a secret~
- Location
- Behind you~
We haven't done a Expand Snails in forever, so that's fine.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
*looks at the camera like I'm on Office*
Giving people yet another means to acquire wealth will do the opposite of help. Or did you mean the clerks thinking the accumulation of wealth is bad is what will get worse?
v true
Let's do that after we main war mission the HT and establish a temple in Valleyhome?
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maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
I mean that any taboo about getting more, is a disaster. People need to be driven to accumulation, and spending for even more wealth or Prestige . If things don't change we'll end up with the buecracy having to do absolutely everything because no private individual has the wealth or initiative to do things himself.
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