- Location
- Mists of Albion
To be fair the original Lowlanders and Dead Priests were pretty genocidal.
And so were their enemies
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
And so were their enemies
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
That's the thing, free peasants are fiendishly attached to their meagre lands, you have to thoroughly brutalise them to get them to hand it over or leave. Lucky for us we got more warriors than they got peasants, and the army could use some good rape, pillage plunder and murder.
Or we finally adopt private land.
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- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
cities/towns/villages weren't large scale burn to the ground with all the inhabitants slain, Dead Priests were slavers not Genocidal.
You know, it occurs to me. Our provinces are likely going to be on balance next turn, so that one of them can finish the Saltern. If not, I really don't think they're going to switch to trade policy. We know AN has been wanting us to get a certain legacy trait, so that's what he's going to do next turn and we haven't really been ignoring trade. At most I expect a trade post.
All of this means we're unlikely to get docks next turn, other than perhaps in the marches. This sort of makes it rather important to have our boats useful in the immediate so... Yeah, portability really is going to be better for now. Sigh, I hope we get it passed and enough people switch.
All of this means we're unlikely to get docks next turn, other than perhaps in the marches. This sort of makes it rather important to have our boats useful in the immediate so... Yeah, portability really is going to be better for now. Sigh, I hope we get it passed and enough people switch.
Hence the word forcefully. That said I do not think all of them are mulish enough to be beyond bribing. After all a good chunk are willing to abandon their lands to seek shelter with the Ymaryn of their own will.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
The ones who leave probably don't know we're commies, and once they get in its too late.
I just hope this conquest will lead us to private property, we're long overdue for it.
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With the significant trade ties between us I find that dubious. Even if that is the case a refugee by his very nature abandons his land with no real prospect of getting new land of his own.
I would argue that private property already exists among the People we simply do not have private land, it is instead owned by the state. Not only that but we have actively worked to avoid the privatization of land so I really hope that this would not change that.
- Location
- Austria
Eh.
Honestly, I am almost convinced to switch to portability as long as I am sure that later on we can safely choose another strategy of shipbuilding. Thing is, I am not sure about that, and in the long term bigger ships are better for us if we want to pursue trade as the way to power (and, seeing as we are averse to conquest, we most likely will do that).
But I do see the benefits of portability for our immediate terrain and situation, yes.
Honestly, I am almost convinced to switch to portability as long as I am sure that later on we can safely choose another strategy of shipbuilding. Thing is, I am not sure about that, and in the long term bigger ships are better for us if we want to pursue trade as the way to power (and, seeing as we are averse to conquest, we most likely will do that).
But I do see the benefits of portability for our immediate terrain and situation, yes.
- Location
- Staring into the void
While the state "owns" all the land, working harder on the land is rewarded for the most part.
- Location
- Germany
- Pronouns
- He/Him
If we continue to trade by sea it wouldn't make sense to not develop ships better suited to this endeavour.
- Location
- Canada
[X] [CA] Attempt to take control of adjacent villages (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, -2 Diplomacy, unknowable chance of war with the Hathatyn, +8-10 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion)
[X] [Law] Attempt to close off both practices
[X] [Boats] Portability
[X] [Infra] Main Expand Snail Cultivation
[X] [Law] Attempt to close off both practices
[X] [Boats] Portability
[X] [Infra] Main Expand Snail Cultivation
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This quote basically tells us we're going to do this multiple times.
Emphasis mine.
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- Location
- Austria
Quotas fuck yeah.
Honestly, as long as land is owned by government (to ensure people do not fuck it up for their own short-term gain), deregulation of economy is probably sensible, and even probable result of those guilds.
But AN also said that first choice will be a more significant influence on out overall design philosophy or something along said lines.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Speed - war (attacker), couriers, luxury trade, coastal exploration.
Size - bulk trade, mass transportation, distant exploration, war (defender).
Portability - Inland trade, inland exploration, inland raiding, general riverine utility.
Assuming there's no carryover effects:
Portability + Speed = longboats
Portability + Size = masula boat
Size + Speed = clipper
Assuming there are:
Size + Portability = river barge
Speed + Portability = caravel??
Speed + Size = trireme? Junk?
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- Location
- Germany
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Clipper.
And size - army transport was missing.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
I'm afraid that can be taken multiple ways. What is the first thing you want to do with a boat when making it bigger? This usually includes making it broader, and raising the sides. As such, while our initial boats would be bigger they would favor more fat like boats. Just because we start off favoring size, doesn't mean we will end up with bigger ships.
If we start with portable that means we start by making our boats more durable.
If we start with speed that means we start by streamlining our ships or improving masts and making ship designs that don't tip over.
If we start with size that means we start by making the infrastructure to support large ships.
If we want better ships we need to start with speed or portability. And honestly? We can get most of what is important in size with either of those. Again, just because we start with size, doesn't mean we will continue to dominate in size. It means we will be working with figuring out how to make larger things work rather than starting with the basic techniques we'd gain from more durable or streamlined boats.
This could also be taken as to what our total first few actions would be, rather than all of the actions in general. We're already designing ships around docks *Points to large ships needing docks.* Waiting to get other stuff first, may make large ships able to be even larger.
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pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
So I agree with everything you said here, but I've been considering he political situation. There's been some lowlying tensions between the northern and southern areas of our kingdom for quite some time. And I know we haven't seen any straight up consequences of it beyond some narrative mentions, I think it might behoove us to actually develop redhills a little instead. Throw them a bone and all that.
It is literally based off of what you are assuming. Why would what we choose now matter?
This literally has two possibilities:
- What we choose now doesn't matter. In which case portability and speed are blatantly superior, because size can not be leveraged.
- What we choose now matters. We make our ships big first, and then have to work around them. We aren't getting schooners anytime soon I think, so this means we have to work around a big and bulky design. In which case it is again a choice between portability and speed since we want to design around a more durable set of materials or a more balanced ship as opposed to something large and bulky.
[X] [CA] Attempt to take control of adjacent villages (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, -2 Diplomacy, unknowable chance of war with the Hathatyn, +8-10 Econ, +4 Econ Expansion)
[X] [Law] Attempt to close off both practices
[X] [Boats] Portability
[X] [Infra] Main Saltern Construction
[X] [Law] Attempt to close off both practices
[X] [Boats] Portability
[X] [Infra] Main Saltern Construction
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Or Size incorporate elements of both speed and Portability - No tipping and Better Durability
At this point we just can't be completely sure but assuming Size is a dead end choice is literally foolish
Oh yeah, analysis. Those were a thing:
Diplomacy 13 (+3) [+1]->14 [+1]
-Cashout +3
-Docks +3
-Overflow to Art -5
Economy 11 (+1) [-1->11 [-1]
Econ Expansion 4->4
-Cashout +1
-Temple -1
-City Tax -1
-Festival -2
-Docks -1
-Expand Economy +4
Business as usual. Getting slightly complicated with all the overflows though, so we might break through into Currency soon, if only so AN could simplify the math of each turn.
Martial 10 {11}->10 {14}
Really starting to detest Quantity of it's Own.
Stability 1->3 (emboldened)
-Festival +1
-Drugs are freaking awesome +1
You know, this is kind of like using tear gas to quell a riot. Only it makes them mellow instead.
Art 13->14
-Festival +3
-Temple -1
-Diplomacy overflow +5
-Art Overflow to Mysticism -6
Mysticism 7 [-1]->12 [-1]
-Art Overflow +6
-Study Stars +1
-Wisdom Tax -1
-Missing cost -1?
Hmm, I seem to be missing a point of Mystiism from somewhere here, unless the Study Forest level was considered Main instead of Secondary to pay for all the burned weed.
Interestingly the Hathatyn no longer produce any metal due to total chaos, but they seem to be still making wine?
While on fire?
We have picked out two forms of art.
Murals for Spider Eyed Crow, to reflect that we cannot comprehend the full depth of his existence, and only know the flat image.
And a sculpture with Alabaster.
It DOES mean that the associations are also obligated to maintain suitable levels of equipment for their members, and failing to do so would be Unjust.
The Marches are preparing for the next war meanwhile. Walls and bocages everywhere.
And we continue the fine tradition of heroes independently misusing whatever project they happen to be on for the greater good
Hippy Dionysus!
In both senses.
Volcano.
Dought induced forest fire(which we're immune to thanks to Sacred Forest having controlled burns to clear out the kindling regularly)
Landslides from collapsed forests.
Floods from landslides.
One heck of a lot of gygo for sure.
Maybe he should put all the politicians under more mellowsmoke.
So, everyone is on fire, except us.
So we don't know what to do for a change.
That said, Salt Gift will spawn a painful chain overflow into Martial, so best not to.
Diplomacy 13 (+3) [+1]->14 [+1]
-Cashout +3
-Docks +3
-Overflow to Art -5
Economy 11 (+1) [-1->11 [-1]
Econ Expansion 4->4
-Cashout +1
-Temple -1
-City Tax -1
-Festival -2
-Docks -1
-Expand Economy +4
Business as usual. Getting slightly complicated with all the overflows though, so we might break through into Currency soon, if only so AN could simplify the math of each turn.
Martial 10 {11}->10 {14}
Really starting to detest Quantity of it's Own.
Stability 1->3 (emboldened)
-Festival +1
-Drugs are freaking awesome +1
You know, this is kind of like using tear gas to quell a riot. Only it makes them mellow instead.
Art 13->14
-Festival +3
-Temple -1
-Diplomacy overflow +5
-Art Overflow to Mysticism -6
Mysticism 7 [-1]->12 [-1]
-Art Overflow +6
-Study Stars +1
-Wisdom Tax -1
-Missing cost -1?
Hmm, I seem to be missing a point of Mystiism from somewhere here, unless the Study Forest level was considered Main instead of Secondary to pay for all the burned weed.
Trade Status
| Resource | Status | Rivals |
| Luxuries | ||
| Fine Pottery | Minor | Xohyssiri |
| Fine Dye | Leading |
|
| Fine Textiles | None | Xohyssiri, Swamp Folk |
| Gold | None |
|
| Silver | Moderate |
|
| Salt | Leading | None |
| Wine | Leading | Hath |
| Strategic | ||
| Copper | Moderate |
|
| Bronze | None | Non-traded |
| Tin | None | MW (in), TH (in), Hath (in) |
| Iron | Non-traded dominant | None |
Interestingly the Hathatyn no longer produce any metal due to total chaos, but they seem to be still making wine?
While on fire?
We've picked up the Arch during the course of city reconstruction, which increased the population density of a city.
We have picked out two forms of art.
Murals for Spider Eyed Crow, to reflect that we cannot comprehend the full depth of his existence, and only know the flat image.
And a sculpture with Alabaster.
Land is still communal, but tools and similar stuff are now property of the occupational associations. Which helps make sure that essential work tools don't get appropriated by inappropriate parties, but begins allowing the accumulation of wealth.
It DOES mean that the associations are also obligated to maintain suitable levels of equipment for their members, and failing to do so would be Unjust.
So provinces built the docks as hoped for which would be very useful for shipping materials...once we have more of them.
The Marches are preparing for the next war meanwhile. Walls and bocages everywhere.
Well....probably for the best that I didn't get the double main festival going. That would have been a little too much booze.
Very useful to have everything laid out nicely and containing the spread of a riot.
And we continue the fine tradition of heroes independently misusing whatever project they happen to be on for the greater good
Meanwhile this is going to make it into mythology, considering people will remember his first notable appearance as a guy backed by fire and wreathed in smoke, yelling at the People to Make Love Not War.
Hippy Dionysus!
So...Redhills has marijuana or hemp or something similar. Has potential!
And the bonus we missed with rushing The Garden, we forgot to allocate the space to actually BUILD the gardens! Fixed now, and everyone's higher.
In both senses.
Lowlands continue to clusterfuck. Highlanders take a swing at the Thunder Horse, who as predicted, had already extended past the land they could administrate, beat up the Thunder Speakers a bit, and kicked the Xohyssiri because everyone loves to kick the Xohyssiri.
Swamp Folk are going FREEDOM, and it sounds like the Thunder Horse suffered a Stability hit after the drought. Too far to be our concern.
Nothing much to see there, but it looks like the Metal Workers are going expansionist under their former Nomad Nobility.
And everything was on fire.
Volcano.
Dought induced forest fire(which we're immune to thanks to Sacred Forest having controlled burns to clear out the kindling regularly)
Landslides from collapsed forests.
Floods from landslides.
One heck of a lot of gygo for sure.
And this part happened as predicted, but at no better time possible, with a Heroic Heir perfectly suited for it.
Maybe he should put all the politicians under more mellowsmoke.
So, everyone is on fire, except us.
So we don't know what to do for a change.
That said, Salt Gift will spawn a painful chain overflow into Martial, so best not to.
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