I'm certainly happy with getting temples to Mathulmyn and Fythhagyna. I definitely don't have a problem with them. I just really want the Grand Temple to be for Crow as an alien but knowable god with the Library being built next to it, in order to get all the synergies for a proto-university.
And when they built temples to Ra before he became king of the gods that stopped people from making him king of the gods?
That's fine. My issue isn't that people are voting for Crow (even if kind of disagree on the whole Main Deity considering he's not remotely the 'head' of our pantheon, simply the creator deity of our mythos) but that people are dismissing the need to address the Mathulmyn issue (which everyone for one reason or another insists is an issue) and not proposing any alternatives.
That really doesn't change the fact multi-faceted gods are not that hard to theologically make work. Triple Deities. Having Mathulmyn have three facets isn't a sign of a more eldritch nature or anything like that.
Well if we give Crow the First Temple, that becomes even less likely since everyone already knows that Crow is the Head God
But Crow is our Chief Spirit. Why shouldn't he get the first Temple? I understand giving her Temple as well, but I don't see why she should have the one in Sacred Forest.Finally caught up from the last update. Been convinced by the arguements for harvest goddess
*shrug* I'm not un-fond of it. It risks doing a divine bloodline thing where Mathulmyn melds with the king or whatever, but I figure that having the temple be built on a giant crypt would emphasize that they're going to die. And, on the other hand, having the king need to do a pilgrimage to a place so important to kings *might* lead to the advisor form with a shaman emphasis.
That seems to be the association our people are making
He was originally my first pick, but then someone pointed out that this is in the Sacred Forest, and I decided that Fythhagyna, our fertility goddess, was a better fit so we could tie that concept of the sacred forest. And yeah, I've already grumbled about many peoples' arguments just being trying to undermine other peoples' rather than talking about who should be voted up and why.
Why? She's a lesser goddess than all the other options, she gives us virtually nothing relatively.
But is the alternative remotely better? Mathulmyn. Is. Our. Most. Prominent. God. Full stop. More people pray to him than any other god, more people feel his role is one of if not the most important in our theology.
Actually... Take a look at the original post.
Technically speaking, AN never called out which of the forms translated to which aspect. So it is currently an assumption that the matronly woman represents the consort.
And that is the problem. How hard is it to believe that he will pull a Ra due to his popularity? How long before he starts to become a symbol of legitimacy to kings? It's really not that big a leap due to his popularity and his nature as already a partial King of Gods in some people's minds
Pretty much all of the triple deities listed there are elder gods associated with the primeval forces of fate and fertility or younger gods believed to be derived from elder gods and linked due to that association.
It was inevitable.
Perhaps not the best time, but Mathulmyn isn't going to win at this rate, so can I encourage you to vote for Fythhagyna?
People love Crow, and they don't want him to get pushed out, also people seem to like this random quasi lesser goddess of harvests, thus conflict was inevitable
Please let people make up their own minds
Why is that? Why would having our First main temple be dedicated to Crow be a bad thing? The Drought is temporary. Learning is forever.
I said that, and Sacred Forests isn't a symbol of our fertility. Look back at past POV, every single time they've been wowed by the fertility of Valleyhome, not the Sacred Forest. The Sacred Forest is a place of learning and where we first learned metal working.
However putting him in our pantheon allows us to encourage learning. Especially since Sacred Forest is our place of learning.
Fythhagyna is the god least likely to produce multipartite deities.
Crow. Isn't. Our. Head. God.
Thanks Umi
I needed a blast of condescension to get me through the day. Because what was your proposed solution? Someone's already stated 'we'll build a temple afterwards in Valleyhome' and I think that's a great idea if the thread actually follows through on it. People are so preoccupied by telling me I'm wrong and should feel bad they're not actually stating what they believe is a solution.Micky, I'm not disagreeing, I'm asking you what's your solution? Because the problem isn't over just because we didn't give him a temple. He's incredibly popular, and even if he becomes a little less popular, he's not likely to fade away anytime soon.
Again, my issue isn't that we're not giving the Sacred Forest temple to Mathulmyn, it's that people seem to have gone 'I don't like the cut of his jib' voted for Crow/harvest goddess with way too many syllables and assumed that's the last we'll see of Mathulmyn.
Again considering the dominance of male kings this is unlikely to occur, I don't think any king would appreciate being demoted from king to consort without the priesthood becoming much more influential and powerful
Considering how you and a notable contingent of the people advocating for Crow have been viciously attacking every single other deity anytime someone says something good about them, I'm going to have to ask you to practice what you preach.
I don't see how any of this is relevant?
Casus belli should be easy-send them a trade mission and find lots of very small sacrifices. Alternatively, start a trade war.
