Yah know I've been spending some of my thinking power on the consequences of continuity in the Ymaryn.
We all know that it has given them a few advantages, see our techs, and is a general point of pride.
My thinking on the matter has made me compare them to our fellow civs. One was completely annihilated to be replaced by settled nomads, one fractured and then one half fractured again, one was subjugated by nomads we drove off. The Fracturing of the Original Lowlander civ was not caused by us, the Spirit Talkers being annihilated by actions we precipitated but their destruction was not intended, and the metal workers was an accidental consequence we also did not intend.
That all of these events happened around us is interesting to see. By our very presence things will precipitate, a rather simple idea that has a lot of ramifications. This also happens with our neighbors, see the series of events that have happened among them without our intervention of any kind. Seeing how little of a vacuum we are operating is kinda awe inspiring.
These two pieces have led me to a weird thought. If we manage to stand off all comers, stay stable and stay continuous, I think by laws of filtering we will end up evolving a natural hegemony/control of the entire planet. I am not advocating that we stay in our little corner or something to that effect when I say things like "stand off all comers", what I mean by that is expanding/building up martial/other required actions which don't invalidate the stability and continuity requirements. Essentially my view on it is that in order to survive long enough for control to happen it is logical that a civ is powerful enough to defend itself from all threats or conquer all threats.
The difference between the defend itself and the conquer all is where I spent a lot of time. I came to the conclusion that my previous thinking was operating on the assumption that we would only be defending ourselves. I'm not sure how well this will hold up as time goes by, but given past examples, and how much our continuity is setting up to give stacking advantages I figure it is a good chance.
How is it not the fault of our civ? We had an adoption system that made it very difficult for clan-less people to get in and replaced that with a shittier version. Also, the nomad refugees we experimented on was in fact done by our civ.
Unless you're going to deny that our civ isn't responsible for its own actions.
You do realize that i'm not advocating for any specific action, right? I was just bringing up a different topic of discussion so we could move away from the previous one since it was getting too heated.
Yes, setting a precedent that being disharmonious is bad. The question is, will we value the admin/diplo enough to risk it once we get more information? You might say no and that it's a terrible idea, but it's up to everyone to make that decision once we're more informed on how this happened anyways.
You two are talking past each other.
What DragonParadox meant with that phrase was that it is not the fault of the individual HK folks who our people murdered and not the fault of our warriors either for why this shit happened. That's the fault of the mastermind. He was not denying that we were at fault for our own actions to things like experimenting with the nomads.
As to you saying that there might be information that makes this guy less of an asshole, DragonParadox does not seem very accepting of it from my view and might be missing your point.
To be honest neither am I. If this was an intentional plan to attack them, there is litterally no evidence that could convince me to spare the mastermind from due punishment. If it is just stupidity, then why on earth should we elect such a dumbass to the throne?
E: I honestly need to go take a nap, which I am going to go do here in a second, so sorry if I am not being all that clear.