He said we have a preternatural ability for picking the worst possible administrative options. Seems pretty clear to me.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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He said we have a preternatural ability for picking the worst possible administrative options. Seems pretty clear to me.
No Hangwind, clearly trying to take the Stability option when given an unprompted mid-turn action choice is silly!
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- Mists of Albion
Not just the shitty option but an entire nation affecting worst option.
That does not make it worse than taxes. Taxes affected everyone too.
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- Germany
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- He/Him
"The guy telling me not to shoot myself in the face made me feel bad with all his, 'Why the hell are you preparing to shoot yourself in the face? That's stupid', so, naturally, I had to shoot myself in the face so he wouldn't 'win'."
Well, if you're right it'll at least mean that I'll be able to play the thread like puppets with reverse psychology. Let's give it a try.
"Hey, guys, let's vote to shoot ourselves in the face!"
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- Germany
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- He/Him
Sounds like a plan:
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- Austria
I mean....he did.
Here he explicitly says that this was one of the worst options:
And here he explicitly says that Walls+dissolution would limit it to the city, meaning that everything else does not:
And here he clarifies it further:
So no, he absolutely explicitly told us that we, in fact, pulled a Tax Crisis 2 where we could've easily avoided it.
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- Mists of Albion
Makes it on the same level though, these are millennia old traditions and laws we are fucking with, all for the sake of a single city.
That's not going to be popular in the Marches or in the countryside
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- Germany
Dude, you don't get it or maybe you are just being petty
You can't just equate the turns we spent on the crisis with the turns we had with the law
The turns with the law are far more worth due to the mono focus & double actions allowing us to go down far harder on our pet projects, it's what allowed us get rid of our DB, allowed us to build mega projects within a single turn & kept us from being raped by 2 nomad hero's, allowed us to expand provinces & gain more actions that way
Also were able to unlock the law due to the crisis & will have it until our civ advances enough that it will be replaced, which I assume will be far off in the future
Therefore as far as I'm concerned the crisis has already paid off twice & will continue to do so many times in the future
Yeah cause that is totally the safer option, oh no wait right that is the dump panic action, that people do who have watched to many actions movies and did not pay enough attention in school
Just like the reaction here, people are panicking and deciding stuff without even knowing what exactly the problem is, whether is can be solved or not or you know stuff one should know before one does decide how to tackle a problem
Edit: Bb'ed
Not really, we have more traits that will help in this situation, we have Wisdom to provide us with more possible choices/hints for how to resolve this crisis as it looks at the core of this crisis and tries to solve it there & we have Lord's Loyality that will keep our people from outright rebelling, all we need is to get the stability up again to keep our people from rocking the boat to much
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- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
*Checks the original quote*
You seem to be ignoring the second half of the quote, "in that it adds massive complexity and most people will reject it since it is futzing with family ties in non-standard ways."
While it will probably have serious impact for the future it is, in the end, a minor concern - that of "futzing with family ties". At the most, we may have a crisis on our hands like when we tried to implement the tax system. It won't threaten societal collapse.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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- Trumpistan
Crisis aside? I like it well enough. I'm not sure where you're logic is coming from that let's you think you could finish the temple using that plan. Seeing as the temple has a minimum of a 5 action commitment and we've done one by the time next turn starts, I think you're missing something here. 1+3 =/= 5 Also remember that AN stated there weren't any accelerants for the project.
With the clan thing? We've got no idea what we are going to see and AN quite specifically said to throw our plans out the window. At a guess we will probably be doing some combination of Grand Sacrifice, Restore Order, Enforce Law, and/or Improve Festival along with the temple so we don't drop the project. The secondary narrative benefits of those actions are nothing to sneeze at.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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- Lawrence's Wagon
We need a secondary Expand Econ to keep the true city. That's not a neccesary condition for me, but it is achievable. And our econ would be decently low, so it's not a bad idea anyhow.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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- Lawrence's Wagon
It might trigger Symphony with 3 mains in a turn.
I have not seen anyone argue for immediate societal collapse.
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- Europe
You manage to completely miss the point, as usual. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I'll think I'll just go back to reading the updates and avoid the rest.
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- Mists of Albion
You seem to be forgetting the constant issues of that era and the multiple times the Stallion tribes almost rebelled over it and the multiple times we had to reject heroic characters and resist attempted hereditary monarchy establishment attempts.
It's not societal collapse but it's pretty bad
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- Voidbetweenstars
But it is not taxes bad.
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- Somewhere over the rainbow
I'm wrong here. When we were told that the admins thought the third and fourth answers were better as a thread we had twelve hours to change, which is quite reasonable from Academia Nut. I suppose this means in future we should just ask the chiefs what their opinion on all the options will do.
Either way, !!FUN!! TIMES AHEAD!
Either way, !!FUN!! TIMES AHEAD!
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- Austria
I would rather City fucked off for now. We have enough Economy to not need its Econ slots for now, and the downsides are, well, shitty.
Or...well, that's an overreaction. Still, I do not really care whether True City stays.
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- Simi Valley, CA, United States
I still think most of that was self-inflicted but that's besides the point.
Still let's wait for the update before assuming it's bad.
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- Mists of Albion
I think he's trying to say that it doesn't matter if advice is given in an arrogant or smug manner, as long as it's good advice, your rejection of that has pissed him off I believe and he reacts believing that you would reject good advice if given it in a poor manner.
I'm curious how would you interpret what the GM said as not bad?
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- Mists of Albion
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. We don't know yet and I think it might be, you think it isn't.
Either way it's not worth the risk just to carry on with a mistake we never wanted
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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- Lawrence's Wagon
I don't care much in general, but we're actually low on econ slots and not in a good position to expand.