Well, we must Salt Gift neighbours with *something* and we only have one Saltern and a lot of neighbours.



They can try. TH are a bit too far to project power to us in any sufficient quantity, so I am not yet afraid of them all too much, not with our defensive advantages.
I mean, if we get into an offense, they probably will mulch us, but that's different.



Point of order: we have not started the megaproject, we half-assed it because Balanced policy magically makes everything better because our chiefs are perfect and players are nothing more than a hindrance to our omniscient decision-makers.
If we took Megaproject support, we would be very close to finishing the Temple, or, with lucky rolls, would have finished it already, with resulting Stability and other stuff to make this shit more bearable.





AN explicitly said that we picked one of the worst possible Admin options and that the Clan Reform picks were actually not limited to the city, but more or less state-wide all along. While geographical and 'by profession' were city-limited. Basically, we went for Tax Crisis 2: City Clans Boogaloo.

What did you do?
 
Last time we lost 2 stability and 1 legitimacy.

If we're at:
-2 stability
2 legitimacy

What should we do?

I'm thinking that the same plan as before would work:
[Main] Grand Sacrifice
[Secondary] Expand Economy
[Secondary] Change Policy (Megaproject support)

Leading to province actions:
3x [Main] Temple

(Reasoning)

So, this plan would leave us at:

0 Stability
2 Legitimacy
11 Art
4 Economy
6 Mysticism

The turn after, we can main Expand Econ and Proclaim Glory to repair the two bad stats while our provinces finish temple.

Edit: AND this has a decent shot of finishing the temple, immediately giving us a burst of stats and prestige. Which we could really use right now. Plus freeing up our actions to rebuild from this clusterfuck.
 
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They can try. TH are a bit too far to project power to us in any sufficient quantity, so I am not yet afraid of them all too much, not with our defensive advantages.
Any other time I'd say you have some legitimacy, but the fact is that raids can hurt stability, which will be hurt even more by our screw up. I will not risk it for minimal gain.
Point of order: we have not started the megaproject
Yes we did, it was part of our main econ slot and some of our provinces even started to try and boost it for us as we started.
 
And yes, current iteration of Tax Crisis has us without Nobility in Humility ensuring people shut the fuck up and with our actions locked into the megaproject for the next IC century or so because fucking Balanced policy which is nice when it's time for it which is not three megaprojects in a row each is mandatory.



TL;DR:We fucked up, big time.
 
I mean, last time this thread went for the overcomplicated version it ended in a similar situation. Sometimes people need to be told they're wrong before they change. Also its not exactly impolite to point out someone was wrong.
The problem is that people didn't realize they were voting for an overcomplicated option because the options and their consequenceswere incredibly opaque, perhaps deliberately so. Also, of course it's alright to point out that someone is wrong, especially if they won't admit it. What's not alright is being incredibly smug about it all the while calling other users complainers and whiners. Regardless, in this case users don't need to be told by other users that they were wrong since AN stated it explicitly. That's just rubbing salt in the wound.
 
And yes, current iteration of Tax Crisis has us without Nobility in Humility ensuring people shut the fuck up and with our actions locked into the megaproject for the next IC century or so because fucking Balanced policy which is nice when it's time for it which is not three megaprojects in a row each is mandatory.
Also martial overflow has lead to greater militancy amongst the lower and upper classes.

Also also, the the Marches have had nothing but success independent of us northwards and heavily built up their military and sense of independence

Also, also, also, last time the only way to get of the Admin train was a military coup that would lead to full hereditary leadership.
 
Also martial overflow has lead to greater militancy amongst the lower and upper classes.

Also also, the the Marches have had nothing but success independent of us northwards and heavily built up their military and sense of independencez

Also, also, also, last time the only way to get of the Admin train was a military coup that would lead to full hereditary leadership.
Hereditary leadership was wild speculation at the time, not word of god.

And it wasn't a coup, since he never took up arms or threatened us.
 
And yes, current iteration of Tax Crisis has us without Nobility in Humility ensuring people shut the fuck up and with our actions locked into the megaproject for the next IC century or so because fucking Balanced policy which is nice when it's time for it which is not three megaprojects in a row each is mandatory.
What do you think of my plan from here?
 
Hereditary leadership was wild speculstion at the time, not word of god.
The Stallion Lords openly wanted hereditary inheritance in the land, it is very very likely it would have lead to hereditary Kingship.

Just finding it ironic that some people voted against districting to try and stop gerrymandering and a more hereditary leadership and that this attempt to stop it may in fact lead to a military coup if things go very very very wrong for us. Highly unlikely, just want to stress that, but considering what happened last time and the level of militancy in our culture now it could happen.
 
And yes, current iteration of Tax Crisis has us without Nobility in Humility ensuring people shut the fuck up and with our actions locked into the megaproject for the next IC century or so because fucking Balanced policy which is nice when it's time for it which is not three megaprojects in a row each is mandatory.




TL;DR:We fucked up, big time.

How, exactly?

You lot really did decide to follow up the Great Leap Forward with the Cultural Revolution, didn't you?

I mean, we know from the Great Leap Forward that the thread isn't going to listen to me anyway and that the moratorium on moratoriums will make sure that the most thoughtless, knee-jerk possible vote will win no matter what anybody says, but could I look away for just a day without everything blowing up?
 
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Something fitting the people might be the old Aztec armor of soaking cloth in concentrated brine to harden and stiffen it. It's only practical to a people with easy access to salt, but the result is quite effective while still being lighter and cooler than leather or metal.
does it stiffen it permanently or are the effects be removed through washing/rain?

Edit: Also, A+ rant. Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, moratorium on moratoriums... nice work.

tbh I'm perfectly fine with this admin decision. I'd rather that we had wholesale changed the clan formulation instead of dealing with similar trouble for less gain, but whatever. It's more interesting albeit less efficient to have a clan-based system.
 
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How, exactly?

You lot really did decide to follow up the Great Leap Forward with the Cultural Revolution, didn't you?

I mean, we know from the Great Leap Forward that the thread isn't going to listen to me anyway and that the moratorium on moratoriums will make sure that the most thoughtless, knee-jerk possible vote win no matter what anybody says, but could I look away for just a day without everything blowing up?
Maybe people don't listen to you because you're being incredibly condescending?
 
Just finding it ironic that some people voted against districting to try and stop gerrymandering and a more hereditary leadership and that this attempt to stop it may in fact lead to a military coup if things go very very very wrong for us. Highly unlikely, just want to stress that, but considering what happened last time and the level of militancy in our culture now it could happen.
Dude, you are winding yourself up here. Seriously. You just went from 'well we fucked up' to 'military coup' in like an hour, flat. We haven't even seen the update which won't be for another few hours.
 
Dude, you are winding yourself up here. Seriously. You just went from 'well we fucked up' to 'military coup' in like an hour, flat. We haven't even seen the update which won't be for another few hours.
Sorry, just outright panicking, I've always been a paranoid pessimist and had an overactive imagination, it's just making every second worse waiting for the bomb to drop.
 
AN explicitly said that we picked one of the worst possible Admin options and that the Clan Reform picks were actually not limited to the city, but more or less state-wide all along. While geographical and 'by profession' were city-limited. Basically, we went for Tax Crisis 2: City Clans Boogaloo.

Link? I don't remeber him saying this. It seems that people are just panicking before the update is given, while our Stability is stable and while our civ is still early in its growth - even if it goes somewhere that you, personally, do not like things can still change.

Chill out and wait for the update.
 
...and we are at 0 stability going into it, again.
Joy.
And yet, if we survive it, nobody will ever support raising our Stability before it is needed. No point even trying to argue about it anymore, I've just...given up on trying, honestly.

What do you think of my plan from here?

May make sense, depending on circumstances. Only...why would you do Expand Economy instead of another GS? We will need all the Stability we can get. Or maybe Main PG/Sec Policy Switch/Sec GS, depending.
All in all, 'LETS FIX STABILITY' sounds like a reasonable idea.

Alternatively, we can go for, um...
[][Main] Grand Temple
[][Secondary] Policy - Restoration
[][Secondary] PG

Restoration will probably net us more stability per turn than we can manage with our actions (they can give us +4 or more Stability per turn for one of our Secondary actions!), so manually doing the temple seems like an okay trade.
 
This is not nearly as bad as the taxes, it will be bad but it's not taxes bad if only because Taxes you all pick all the worse options, while so far we apparently one picked 1 shitty option this time around.
 
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