- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Were currently in a mega project which cost's us a economic point a turn, if you set up a settlement the startup cost will drive us to 0 next turn.
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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Aka they produce nothing special but might give us the things that the poor tribes in the area give to them...? None of which were noted in the text and therefore are probably not notable...? Compared to the high-quality textile land, or the Northern Nomads and Western Confederacy who might slowly be lured into our sphere through trade, and who presumably have goods of equal value to that of the poor tribes upon which the ST prey.
Char = the burned trees which makes the charcoal that is a key ingredient in the black dirt. Leading to us being able to grind up wheat, too.
Next would be animal-powered stirrers, probably, tbh. Or a way of speeding up the fermentation/aging process.
It being, "I will ignore it" or what, the shit? Which no one who isn't our untouchable caste is being forced to stir? And which we are presumably just diverting more of them to doing as other people take over the more pleasant or less unpleasant tasks?
That's basically what we already have.
Our megaproject is costing all we got for producing black soils, and we may have just made enough.
Next turn, our black soil is probably going into surplus, which should produce an extra economy point.
The problem is, we don't know what kind of startup cost our settlement have. For all we know, we might get hit by another set of drought, or maybe even cold weathers.
Next turn, our black soil is probably going into surplus, which should produce an extra economy point.
The problem is, we don't know what kind of startup cost our settlement have. For all we know, we might get hit by another set of drought, or maybe even cold weathers.
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- Voidbetweenstars
Veekie, how about you read the desripitions of the choices before you make a nasty mistake.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
To be completely honest, it literally already is part of our justice system. The most unappealing work is left as punishment for lawbreakers. We're just running out of lawbreakers to do the work, so we're forcing the common class to take part.
You ignoring the quoted section in your delusional argument that people like the job. We know that everyone is forced to do it, because it is necessary work and there's not enough people doing it now. You're the nutbar arguing that if we expose them to it long enough they'll get fucking stockholm syndrome and not kick up a fuss about having to do it more than they already have to.
And if we don't, even if we spam economy boost actions we're going to hit negatives the turn after.
If we do a new settlement, we hit 0 next turn, then will be able to take Manage forest and pastures more cheaply to stay at 0 for the next 3 turns of the project
You need to cut the cost, or you WILL get crushed by it.
- Location
- Hollister
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
The location of our new settlement
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- Location
- Hell
Or you know we continue as we are now and either stay at 2 or go down to 1. By Which point we only have one more turn and can take the hit or we finished the project. By which point our Economy will bounce back up due to no longer diverting resources and whatever benefits we receive from it.
- Location
- From the moon
We only need to pull this off for 1-2 turns. So once we do that we can very easily make our economy bounce back. After we deal with the blight. We can take a couple of turns focusing heavily on farming and making a new settlement.
Ninja....
Ninja....
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
What did I ignore? Here's a summary of our interaction:
You: They have to do prison tasks! SO OF COURSE THEY'RE UNHAPPY!
Me: 1) Sure, doing "prison tasks" would make people unhappy but a) if enough non-prisoners do them they will cease to be considered prison tasks, so their status in society will change so people will not be unhappy with doing "prison tasks," b) the tasks they're doing aren't that disgusting, for example the only guy who was discussed was just grinding char. 2) Also, how do we know they're unhappy? Find an example saying they are, just in case our assumptions aren't wrong. They're needed to do them but it isn't forced on them.
You: *quotes a passage describing how people are made to do the same tasks as half-exiles*
You: THEY'RE MADE TO DO PRISON TASKS! SO OF COURSE THEY'RE UNHAPPY!
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ConfusedPotato
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- Location
- Australia
[X] Expand Snail Cultivation
[X] Expand Managed Forests
[X] Expand Managed Forests
- Location
- Hell
>:3
Their not unhappy to do it because it's prison work. It's disgusting work to do thus relegated to prison work. People don't want to do it so we force them to. That won't make anybody happy.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
1. Exactly, you're so deluded you think that making people do shit duty long enough will magically make them like it. That worked out ever so well for undertakers, especially in the far east, whose fucking double-digit descendants are still socially shunned.
2. You work where, exactly? Retail? Warehouse? Maybe an office? Congratulations, the government has called you to Jury Duty. You do everything humanly in your power to avoid it, because you're Average Joe. Now imagine your government calling you from your cushy job to throw trash into a garbage truck.
My point makes itself.
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Econ Advisor: Given its place along an already well travelled route, barring administrative or environmental disaster, economic returns should start showing up by the end of the generation.
I could have made a few more breaks, but in my mind I'm already being a bit sparse.
No more updates for at least eighteen hours or so.
Considering that it is already over half done, hard to tell.
On one hand we're likely producing enough black soil, on the other hand necessity is the mother of invention and it seems black soil is an excellent way of forcing our civilization to adapt to the stress that such a major project brings.
On the other other hand this is prisoner work and we don't have enough prisoners, which means people are being forced to do this. So to a lot of our people it looks like they are being punished for absolutely no reason. Yeah... it's probably best to not expand our black soil production for a few turns and let people settle down a bit.
So snail expansion for more money from dyes and more managed forests because it doesn't use prisoner labor.
Plus now that I think about it, just because we don't expand our black soil production doesn't mean that our people won't keep trying to streamline the process. Recorders will still try to smooth out our emerging writing system and black soil production/transportation is still challenging enough for people to want to find ways to make it better. So instead of forcing back breaking labor on everyone lets wait a turn or two for our people to properly adapt to this project.
[X] [Secondary] Expand Snail Cultivation
[X] [Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
On the other other hand this is prisoner work and we don't have enough prisoners, which means people are being forced to do this. So to a lot of our people it looks like they are being punished for absolutely no reason. Yeah... it's probably best to not expand our black soil production for a few turns and let people settle down a bit.
So snail expansion for more money from dyes and more managed forests because it doesn't use prisoner labor.
Plus now that I think about it, just because we don't expand our black soil production doesn't mean that our people won't keep trying to streamline the process. Recorders will still try to smooth out our emerging writing system and black soil production/transportation is still challenging enough for people to want to find ways to make it better. So instead of forcing back breaking labor on everyone lets wait a turn or two for our people to properly adapt to this project.
[X] [Secondary] Expand Snail Cultivation
[X] [Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
I don't want to develop the undesirable traits of developing an untouchable caste.
- Location
- From the moon
Actually now that I think about isn't them becoming unhappy a nonissue thanks to not only the impending ending of the megaproject but also the Festival we're planning to set up to offset it?
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Between the 2 Villages yes, now tell me were is the blight again?
OH yes that's right, further up the Fishing village river along with patches of it far away from any and all human settlements, so tell me what is a new village in the center of our lands going to help with managing the blight on lands that are far outside our settlements?
Found the earlier post with mapping that illustrates
Did a quick paint doodle for visualization purpose:
Green circles are currently managed forests.
Black polygon is the potential range of the forest blight(disease travels along waterways, especially plant diseases, which often come in the form of insect carriers or fungus infections that thrive in high moisture environments and propagate slowly through drier zones). We DISCOVERED a bit of the blight inside the Coastal Managed Zone, but it is sparse there(probably not liking saltier water? If so it's probably fungal), then because we knew what to look for, we checked upstream and fuck that's a lot of dead trees.
Yellow circle is the projected zone of the Managed forest from the new settlement.
Does that illustrate better?
Can't stick around to debate longer, ill. Urgh.
I think you might be a little optimistic about the project, since it doesn't read like 50% done...