My evaluation on this thread is different from yours. If nothing comes up in the update, I expect we'll finish next turn.
I guess we'll see? I'd really like to finish this thing before the People who were born when we started this Challenge die of old age. That sounds like it might have fun and interesting bonuses, if small ones.
Really it just pleases me to imagine it.
 
The "dual study" I've seen talked about is Metal+Tailings, which is -2 stability, not -1.
By duel study its health/tailings for me (as tailings is new research and therefore has the lower upgrade threshold in my mind). Its dumb to me to try and do them at once and subcontract the study health. Plans will changes with future conditions.

Unless you missed it and think we have to do whichever of Tailings or Metal we do with the Study Health, again in order to fulfill the individual requirement? Which we don't, and in that case the math is actually bunk.
Okay... once more into the repeat.

I think that its a rather bad plan to into negatives just to complete earlier as the starting plan. The triple Study plan is an all or consequences idea. There is a reason I think of these kind of plans as playing chicken with the dice.

So yes, I'm am completely against the triple study plan as a completely unnecessary gamble. For me its all duel study tailings/health and then study metal.

If things change do to suddenly stab from a crit on the mine or something that is then. For now I'm going with what I do know can happen.
 
So yes, I'm am completely against the triple study plan as a completely unnecessary gamble. For me its all duel study tailings/health and then study metal.

.......
I'll just quote QM at you:
@Academia Nut , if we go for Progress policy and, say, pick Study Metal option next turn, can we reasonably expect provinces to provide Study Health for us, seeing as it does not eat Stability?

Yes. They won't take Stability reducing actions, but stuff like Study Health they will take.

Provinces are not stupid. They will help us, as QM has explicitly stated.
 
Really it just pleases me to imagine it.
It pleases me more to think they train the next generation of shamans to handle the end... then they should actually write notes about what happens in the previous parts and why and how they did stuff. Also, it gives results time to filter into the populous. If the mine ends up not coinciding with a bad event it makes the belief already partially countered.

To me accomplishing it as part of one generation means it ends up being that generation was cool and stuff more than a legacy of testing beliefs. I want teaching the study methods to be the legacy part.

Annnd I think dual study is gambling on an extra turn of nocritfail.
Why? Only one part has to go bad for things to need more countering. All points don't need to critfail... one or more points has to d badly.

If you see crit fail as the only problem... your not thinking things through.
 
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Absorb and March in the same turn ;)

The mountain would be cool if we had a good chance of building one tall enough to cause rain, and if the stone we'd harvest wouldn't just be tearing down other mountains/hills.

We could just desurface and rebuild an existing mountain I guess.

Edit: @pbluekan I'd rather library than all of the aqueducts, but if you mean for us to do 1 aqueduct then the Library that would be fine, redcoaast would be a good choice. 2 mains = eight Econ but a finished aqueduct vs Library which costs 1 main and whatever the stats are. I.eevery aqueduct is damaging in a rapid burst as opposed to the Library which provides greater civ benefits at a slower pace for the same cost.

Dude. The mountain is a pyramid. Any things else is rediculous and a pyramid ain't big enough to create any of its own weather. IRL we only just have the ability to affect weather on a larger scale with the building of skyscrapers and downtown environments.

As for the aqueducts, yes, I was just referring to one before the library, but I wouldn't be opposed to having the aqueduct project as an ongoing thing to upgrade our oldest areas. It's necessary everywhere.
 
We are definitely arguing past each other.

We are hoping for a Health and Tailing or Health and Metal combo. Not all three.

The provinces will do a Study Health for us, leaving us a slot to do Grand Sacrifice to stay in the positives.
 
Provinces are not stupid. They will help us, as QM has explicitly stated.
I'm baffled by this response. I post I don't like subcontracting quest goals for efficiency and I get the provinces can do study health. I'm not saying the problem is with the provinces.... I'm saying the problem is with ideas that gives the players.

We are hoping for a Health and Tailing or Health and Metal combo. Not all three.
That I could go for that just delays the multi study at worse... I'm being told its the plan to go for the triple.

So Yes, lots of arguing past and around each other as well.
 
We are definitely arguing past each other.

We are hoping for a Health and Tailing or Health and Metal combo. Not all three.

The provinces will do a Study Health for us, leaving us a slot to do Grand Sacrifice to stay in the positives.

Or for a war mission if Southlanders decide to give it a go.
Or we can switch to the offensive policy, but if it could fend off two nomadic heroes, it is overkill against Hathatyn, especially on the defensive.
 
Dude. The mountain is a pyramid. Any things else is rediculous and a pyramid ain't big enough to create any of its own weather. IRL we only just have the ability to affect weather on a larger scale with the building of skyscrapers and downtown environments.

As for the aqueducts, yes, I was just referring to one before the library, but I wouldn't be opposed to having the aqueduct project as an ongoing thing to upgrade our oldest areas. It's necessary everywhere.
Was replying to the other person's post on the UAE talking about making a mountain to create local rainfall. *rolls eyes at the UAE's regular attempts at grandiose schemes*

I'd be fine with having it as a slow simmer, yeah. If we don't try to burst finish aqueducts we'll finish one every 4 turns at a steady cost of 2 Econ per turn. This might suck up an action but @Academia Nut might declare that provinces will keep doing it for us when we're on a Balanced or Infrastructure turn. Also, to clarify, while I'd be fine w/ doing an aqueduct then the library my preference is for doing the library. Or the dam... the aqueduct and the dam...?
 
Was replying to the other person's post on the UAE talking about making a mountain to create local rainfall. *rolls eyes at the UAE's regular attempts at grandiose schemes*

I'd be fine with having it as a slow simmer, yeah. If we don't try to burst finish aqueducts we'll finish one every 4 turns at a steady cost of 2 Econ per turn. This might suck up an action but @Academia Nut might declare that provinces will keep doing it for us when we're on a Balanced or Infrastructure turn. Also, to clarify, while I'd be fine w/ doing an aqueduct then the library my preference is for doing the library. Or the dam... the aqueduct and the dam...?
The Aqueducts and the Dam would have interesting synergies.

They'd increase the chance even more for some kind of engineering development.
 
Where would the mountain be? Because if we can stick it out on the Steppes, it might be worth it. Just carve into it: No Non-allied Nomads beyond this point.

The Mountain is a pyramid/ziggurat, which while impressive and hard to damage, isn't exactly something you want to try to build away from major population and transport hubs.

what does our population look like these days compared to our neighbors?

Pretty big, although with the lowlands having several generations of relative peace the HK and TH + vassals are comparable overall, if not nearly as dense at their cores.
 
Or for a war mission if Southlanders decide to give it a go.
Or we can switch to the offensive policy, but if it could fend off two nomadic heroes, it is overkill against Hathatyn, especially on the defensive.
You don't think balanced policy would help with that?

AN had told us that they see what we are planning to do, and plan around that. If we don't deal with it, they will.
 
The Mountain is a pyramid/ziggurat, which while impressive and hard to damage, isn't exactly something you want to try to build away from major population and transport hubs.



Pretty big, although with the lowlands having several generations of relative peace the HK and TH + vassals are comparable overall, if not nearly as dense at their cores.
Interesting that it's the TH plus vassals that let's them be comparable.

Hey AN do our advisors have a guess as to how many city states there are in the Thunder Horse?
 
HALPFUAL TELLY GOAAAA!
Edit: I think this MAY be a consensus.... any idea when vote call/update comes around?
Adhoc vote count started by Motoko on May 22, 2017 at 4:20 PM, finished with 39217 posts and 65 votes.
 
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Okay.

Few more questions I guess. I'll pull a VoidZero to ask them.

To the Spirit Chief: Is the city of Xohyr suffering from constant but low level amounts of disease?

To the Trade Chief: Has the Caravan left the area? If so which direction did they go?

To the Blackbirds: How well does the HK seem to be consolidating?

To the War Chief: How threatening are the Hathatyn naval raids? Are we on even footing, and how long is that going to last?
 
Inclusive or exclusive of their vassal states? What is the relative size of the xohyssiri and thunder speakers (now defunct) to the traditional TH population?

How many realms/provinces are there within the HK? How much contact do the Hathatyn and HK have with each other? Are the HK's cities walled?

Are the Hathatyn's cities walled? Are their boats faster than ours? Do they have an easy time acquiring wood to build with?
 
The Mountain is a pyramid/ziggurat, which while impressive and hard to damage, isn't exactly something you want to try to build away from major population and transport hubs.
Not without a pressing reason anyway... doing so would shift the trade hubs towards it and a city would evolve around it, that happens with things like Hadrian's Wall.

I guess you could actually just do something like that to prove you can. Be a hell of a taunt to build a megaproject somewhere strange just to taunt another Civ your at war with about how useless they are at opposition.
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*The enemy army show up to the battle and goes to begin the prefight banter taunts*

"Finally! What took you guys so long? Seriously guys you need to step it up, we built this giant thing in the middle of nowhere with all the time of ours you've been wasting. Will you do something? Fight us? Call off this 'war' of yours? Race us up and down the steps competitively? Something! Don't just show up and stare blankly at me!"

*Enemy army boggles*

"If a man is known by the quality of his enemies I'm the greatest loser alive!" *Curls up in a ball and begins sobbing*

*The opposing army shuffles awkwardly... their life experience simply not covering this situation.*
 
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@Academia Nut with the Badlands village done, is it possible if we do some diplomancing on Lowlands Minors we might get a few villages to join us?

Also, are there any unaligned/lightly aligned villages near us at all?
 
I'm baffled by this response. I post I don't like subcontracting quest goals for efficiency and I get the provinces can do study health. I'm not saying the problem is with the provinces.... I'm saying the problem is with ideas that gives the players.
Sorry, I already have the idea that the provinces will do what AN says they will. And so does everyone else in this argument. Its not like you can keep it secret...

Edit: or is the idea we'll get that efficiency is good? Cause I think that's pretty widespread too...
 
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doubt it considering that the whole territory has been under the control of the HK for a really really long time
Well we can trade mission the Lowland Minors, see the recent update.

So we at least have an in, but I think those Lowlands Minors are to our south east in the Northern Lowlands.
 
That doesn't mean they don't belong to anyone, it just means they are so fucking big that they count as a traget on it's own

Remember we could always trade with the lowlands minors, no matter to whom they belonged
Hmm good point.

It's a point of contact but whether that ends up meaning anything is kinda up to what happens to their current owners.
 
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