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BungieONI said:
To the Spirit Chief: Is the city of Xohyr suffering from constant but low level amounts of disease?

To the Trade Chief: Has the Caravan left the area? If so which direction did they go?

To the Blackbirds: How well does the HK seem to be consolidating?

To the War Chief: How threatening are the Hathatyn naval raids? Are we on even footing, and how long is that going to last?
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Probably, or at least worse than is typical.

Yes, it stuck around and traded in Stonepen for a bit before heading back home.

Decently well.

Not particularly threatening, more annoying than anything else. The People have superiority, no idea how long it might last.

Umi-san said:
Inclusive or exclusive of their vassal states? What is the relative size of the xohyssiri and thunder speakers (now defunct) to the traditional TH population?

How many realms/provinces are there within the HK? How much contact do the Hathatyn and HK have with each other? Are the HK's cities walled?

Are the Hathatyn's cities walled? Are their boats faster than ours? Do they have an easy time acquiring wood to build with?
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Exclusive. The Xohyssiri and Thunder Speakers were collectively about the size of the Thunder Horse, probably a little less.

tryrar said:
with the Badlands village done, is it possible if we do some diplomancing on Lowlands Minors we might get a few villages to join us?

Also, are there any unaligned/lightly aligned villages near us at all?
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No, none are in contact with unaligned villages, who are fairly dismissive of outsiders at this point.
 
Academia Nut said:
Probably, or at least worse than is typical.

Yes, it stuck around and traded in Stonepen for a bit before heading back home.

Decently well.

Not particularly threatening, more annoying than anything else. The People have superiority, no idea how long it might last.



Exclusive. The Xohyssiri and Thunder Speakers were collectively about the size of the Thunder Horse, probably a little less.



No, none are in contact with unaligned villages, who are fairly dismissive of outsiders at this point.
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Hrmm. Thank you!

Additional question to the War and Spirit and Trade Chiefs all together: Does this seem to be on the same scale as the stress response raiding they did long ago when they fractured? What do our records indicate?
 
pblur said:
But... you were the one who used it. I was quoting you. o_O
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I am not going on a quote hunt to recap things, but, I was responding to someone else (the eldritch otter I think) about the plan to get things over with.

What you said to my response was ended in was:
pblur said:
Edit: or is the idea we'll get that efficiency is good? Cause I think that's pretty widespread too...
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In response to me talking about how people are arguing that all the study at once with study health from the provinces was in the name of efficiency. 'We'll finish a turn early', they said, 'Less turns is more efficient use of turns'. This idea ignores that would be purposefully ending up at negative stab... the biggest faction around is the stability hawks. So I was arguing against a speed run plan people were throwing out as the vote this turns bandwagonned early when the survey found a mine site in a settled area first try.

I don't even think said otter was arguing for that plan... this is what I get for not inserting enough stage notes in my posts or something.
 
Sivantic said:
You don't think balanced policy would help with that?

AN had told us that they see what we are planning to do, and plan around that. If we don't deal with it, they will.
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Actually, we're not so sure on whether Provinces can take defensive War Missions on Balanced, or if such an action would count for avoiding Lord's Honor's penalty. We do know for a fact that provinces will perform Grand Sacrifices if we have sufficient Economy available however.

@Academia Nut
Clarify if defensive war missions can be taken on balanced and whether a Province War Mission would satisfy Lords Honor?
Necratoid said:
And a different guy responds.

If the situation allows. Things that can come up that keep them too busy to do so. What your ignoring is that the grand triple study means going into negative stab on purpose. There is a major faction of voters that consider that the devil incarnate.

You just used 'efficiency' wrong. What your taking about is known as 'haste'. Its about getting to the good part. Its about skipping the boring part. Its about speed run tactics.

Its about saving/gaining an extra turn.
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Noting that speedruns so far got us a bunch of cool legacies! Rush Builders, for instance.
Guile said:
1) We seem to be at the level of composite recurve bows. Is there anywhere to go from there? Lamination, compound?
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Compound is the next big jump in bows, however, with Iron we're part of the way to pulleys. Long distance yet to go though.
The next jump in ARCHERY however, is different arrow types. Now that we're using iron, arrowhead geometry becomes a thing...well if anyone had armor that such an arrow would be effective against
2) Are there downsides to expanding the forest? Weakening our own war machine (since we use war chariots too), for example?
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Some small downsides if we actually lose territory to anyone with a serious woodsman tradition, because forests strongly favor the defender by slowing armies and breaking up formations.
On the defense, losing chariot and formation advantages is mitigated by turning the entire zone into one giant ambush arena where our dudes can attack whenever and wherever the hell they feel like, and vanish behind cover within a minute.
3) Can we use up our extreme levels of Martial to train, say, fishermen to become part-time warriors? Make aggressively friendly vikings? Or does making warriors actually make more Martial, not less?
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That's the Expand Warrior route to evolve Quality of it's own.
But what you're describing is basically our Yeomen already
BungieONI said:
Just to give perspective no one else even has bronze or even widespread copper tool use from what we understand. The Eastern Thunder Horse have brasses but we don't know how wide spread their tool use is. This is gonna change soon but we have a massive lead for now.
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The Metal Workers and any copper mining civilization are likely full conversion metal tool users. Not nearly comparable to iron tools though. Really way too soft to use unless you had nothing else.
 
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Random Member said:
[X][Main] The Mountain
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[X][Secondary] Black Soil
[X][Kick] The Mountain

Honestly, metal is overrated, it's better to improve our agriculture. "But Random, how will building a bigass mountain improve our agriculture? It's completely useless!" And that's where you're wrong, Strawman SV'er I just created! Read this!
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If we survive long enough to build out our aqueducts and make a library to store our knowledge, you have my support.
 
Hey @Academia Nut am I right in the estimate that the Highland Kingdom is around 400 years old, the Thunder Horse are around 500 if you don't count the split and the Dead Priests/Xohyssiri are 700 years old?

And that it's been about 380 to 400 years since the DOOM came?

Sorry if all the questions are bothering you. I've just been doing some exploring in the older posts and my curiosity is peaked.
 
veekie said:
Clarify if defensive war missions can be taken on balanced and whether a Province War Mission would satisfy Lords Honor?
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At least a secondary, and possibly, depending upon the severity of invasion.

BungieONI said:
Hey @Academia Nut am I right in the estimate that the Highland Kingdom is around 400 years old, the Thunder Horse are around 500 if you don't count the split and the Dead Priests/Xohyssiri are 700 years old?

And that it's been about 380 to 400 years since the DOOM came?

Sorry if all the questions are bothering you. I've just been doing some exploring in the older posts and my curiosity is peaked.
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Those numbers sound about right. The Xohyssiri do have some claim to being a continuous successor to the prior lowlanders though since their settlement was founded in that era and never really collapsed, so while their political system is newer (hell, you could say that their current incarnation is only about a century old) they have some claims on being about as old as the People.
 
@Academia Nut Can we combine step-farming techniques with our Ziggurat project to make it a growing plattform? I imagine this would have all kinds of effects for our shapers of the earth trait. The plants could be watered by aqueduct forcing innovation to get water uphill.
 
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highs2lows said:
@Academia Nut Can we combine step-farming techniques with our Ziggurat project to make it a mass grainary/growing plattform? I imagine this would have all kinds of effects for our shapers of the earth trait. The plants could be watered by aqueduct forcing innovation to get water uphill.
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"The pyramids were used to store grain!" - the neurologist that destroyed his heroic image in the minds of many people worldwide.
 
Since, we're likely to get glassworks soon, I did some research on greenhouses. Wiki said that greenhouses didn't start showing up until the 13th century, essentially during medieval time.

However, the idea of growing plants in an enclosed environment is not new, dating back to the Romans. I suspect the Ymaryn will be the first to come up with the idea, even without glass panes. We'll probably have roofs that open up and close when it's too hot or cold.

I suspect we are already growing food in valleyhome with The Garden. Not enough to feed the population, of course, especially as population density grows.
 
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Kiba said:
Since, we're likely to get glassworks soon, I did some research on greenhouses. Wiki said that greenhouses didn't start showing up until the 13th century, essentially during medieval time.

However, the idea of growing plants in an enclosed environment is not new. I suspect the Ymaryn will be the first to come up with the idea, even without glass panes. We'll probably have roofs that open up and close when it's too hot or cold.

I suspect we are already growing food in valleyhome with The Garden. Not enough to feed the population, of course, especially as population density grows.
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After some research, I've learned that greenhouses are kind of tricky until you have colourless glass because plants use both red and blue light for photosynthesis- nearly any kind of tint to glass will either reduce the higher spectrum they need to photosynthesize or the lower spectrum which provides them the heat they need. You sometimes see green greenhouses commercially, but this is pretty much just an aesthetic thing that hurts the plants a bit while looking nice. In theory you could grow shade plants under red glass and direct sunlight, but practically speaking you need colourless glass, which is a sophisticated technique involving the addition of antimony or manganese oxide to the process. That's not something that requires industrial power, but it requires either extensive experimentation or truly staggering luck. The Romans did it, but we're not the Romans yet.

Anyway, the glass also needs to be fairly thin but strong to let light through, which also means you need glassblowing as opposed to just glass creation. Long story short, large greenhouses probably won't be practical for a long, long time.

On the bright side, we can and obviously do have gardens up the yin-yang, and there are plenty of plants that grow in the winter. Kale, as an example. 'Winter gardens' are much more feasible and may be a few 'study forest' actions away if we're lucky.
 
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Kiba said:
This is what greenhouse agriculture look like in Almeria, Spain. The Ymaryn could obviously do better.

First, we need to find a desert, and perfect glassworking technology. Hmm. This is going to consume a shitload of charcoal. Wish we have some access to coal.
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keep in mind, glass was super expensive until only a few centuries ago. Discovering glass is possible, but there is no way in hell we would be able to make it in large quantities. At most we might start growing useful herbs in contained areas, but no way in hell are we using that sort of thing for large scale cultivation.
 
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