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We're currently on the path to completing the requirements with a turn to spare. Here's hoping that everything goes well and we are actually able to do so. Under the best-case scenario, next turn we can just double-main both study actions, provinces do Study Health. We drop to -1 stability and laugh as we finish the challenge 2 turns in.
This is admittedly unlikely, but would be great if we actually could.

Just to remind everyone that boats might be useful though:
Academia Nut said:
causing all sorts of problems in Southshore with their fishers and the People's fishers starting to more ferociously compete over the best fishing grounds, with fights and the occasional skirmish or raid breaking out.
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If province actions can combine with ours, then we've got a [Main] More Boats which will be able to deal with these problems before they boil over.

I'm not certain that it's the best route, but I think it's one we should discuss. It removes the early-finish possibility (unless we're willing to drop to -2 stability which I'm not) but it might help our new March and stop the Southern Hill People from doing anything too annoying. On the other hand, we might get a mid-turn action to deal with the SHP with our current path though, which would mitigate the problems which the More Boats is attempting to solve. That seems more likely than getting a stability option in the mid-turn.
 
Deadly Snark said:
Yeah that's a stupid idea.
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Eh, I wouldn't say that it is stupid. As long as we don't rush the process, it might be possible with our tech. Use our marches to set up an outer perimeter that focuses on fighting the nomads. As they fully mature, we integrate them and make a new march to cover the new area, and then focus on black soiling + foresting the integrated march, as well as building roads and other communication infrastructure. Whenever a waaagh pops up, we drop what we are doing and put it down ruthlessly with our central army supporting the marches.

It would take a lot of time, dedication and concentrated effort, but it would be a way to expand. The fact that it genocides the nomads is a pretty nice plus as well.

Of course, the chances of the thread having the attention span to pull it off is pretty minimal. :V
 
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@Academia Nut War Chief: How militarily powerful are we relative to the other polities? Of critical importance: Thunder Horse, Thunder Speakers, Xohyrissi, and Highland Kingdoms. The Hathytyn estimate would be nice, but since nobody we know fought them it's okay if we don't have this info yet.
 
NotteBoy97 said:
So will this battle eventually become a gigantic myth and basically our version of Ragnarok in the future?
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I think its more going to be the nomads end times myth, with the People being the crazy psycho destroyers faction. That or a Jason like horror movie Slasher... it won't die and it never stops coming until your dead. For The People its more a matter of how war is done. The People are thinking its not over and the nomads think its done with so they picked a new target. The nomads are also small enough the March, mark 2, plus whatever may over run them out of nowhere in a turn or two.

I'm not sure that there is a relatively pacifist nation that goes berserk if you attack it anywhere else on the planet. That alone is a legendary beast race waiting to happen.
 
Glassware said:
I would imagine we would get a rather terrifying trait from such an action. Most likely one we wouldn't like much. Still, the temptation to build up to it is there, certainly
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Doubt it, considering that we can only kick the actions due to a trait, we can only start wars with a reason & that our fluff & traits do justify total war kind of response to defence wars & wars against the nomads

What I would rather expect would be the evolution of a trait to reflect our rather extreme responses to attacks to our territory
 
Academia Nut said:
Well, it started off as a strategic effort and then evolved into basically pure spite/legacy.

To be entirely honest, what I figured you guys were going to do was take the Tribute option, grab iron, and then kick the nomads teeth after a turn or two when they no longer had a hero leading them and you had iron while they had stone. I did not expect at all that the thread would collectively go berserk.
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I was a little surprised myself, but not overly.

TBH I'm hoping we turn back towards our roots again. Infrastructure, Research, Megaprojects. Hell, we haven't even extended the aquducts beyond upper valleyhome yet.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
War Chief: How militarily powerful are we relative to the other polities? Of critical importance: Thunder Horse, Thunder Speakers, Xohyrissi, and Highland Kingdoms. The Hathytyn estimate would be nice, but since nobody we know fought them it's okay if we don't have this info yet.
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You haven't tested yourself against them with the new iron weapons, but you feel confident in your ability to kick in the teeth of anyone, and somewhat confident in your capacity to take on any two at once and still prevail. If the Thunder Horse were able to hit you with everything you suspect it would be a hard fought thing, but as it is you would have difficulty projecting power. In defending your core territories of Redshore, Sacred Forest, and Valleyhome you have no doubts that there exists no known enemy that can crack your defences.
 
pbluekan said:
I was a little surprised myself, but not overly.

TBH I'm hoping we turn back towards our roots again. Infrastructure, Research, Megaprojects. Hell, we haven't even extended the aquducts beyond upper valleyhome yet.
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Well, it's not like we ever really fully turned away from it. We're planning on spending three turns on pure research...
 
Necratoid said:
As it is taking the SW hills is just easier seeming with no nearby empire in the way.
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Um... do you mean where Southshore is? Because past that is the Hathatyn. Expanding there will take making more provinces in Southshore &/or invading and subsuming the Hathatyn (and then probably diplomancing and subsuming the HK, tbh).
 
Citino said:
Of course, the chances of the thread having the attention span to pull it off is pretty minimal. :V
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Citino this is the same thread that wanted to apply a semi modern tax system on a stone age civilization. Who when offered the chance to go straight to iron age at the chance of a schism said "hold my beer."

We live by the dice we die by the dice.
 
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Necratoid said:
Perfection of society is stagnation. A 'perfect' society is one that can't be improved. Perfection of society is that odd medieval status that pops up in fiction all the time. Perfection is good for engineering. Perfection of society is all about purity. Societies obsessed with purity take the engineering definition. Basically, 'Perfection is when there is nothing else can be taken away and the desired function remains intact'. I have yet to see that end well.
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...you are massively misinterpreting that phrase. It means to always seek to better oneself, not that one is perfect or that it is even attainable.

Nowhere does it say that we have a perfect society, which is what you rightly decried.

Citino said:
...AN outright said we would have crushed them if not for literally the perfect storm of 2 heroes + 2 crits. Getting a pyrrhic victory out of that shows just how well we really did in that fight. A pyrrhic victory was our best case scenario with that in mind, so I wouldn't use this as an example of what will happen in the future.

Not that I fully disagree. While I'm not opposed to expanding into the steppes like others, I'd prefer to grab some of those eastern hills first and maybe establish that NE march once we get the prestige. From there, if we need to, we can slowly expand north as each march reaches maturity.
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The point was that even if we destroyed an incredible amount of nomads, we were immediately faced with more nomads. Peaceful ones, yes, but nomads all the same. We still have nomads to the north with more incoming next turn. Ergo, nothing changed, pyrrhic victory.
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How is building a March a negative? How is beating back the SW twits a bad thing? This was about directing people into doing something productive. You simply can't leave that many highly trained, heavily armed people sitting around doing nothing for a decade.

They were going to do something. To believe otherwise is just terrible understanding of mass boredom. This is why i said event roll. The reason the March was an option was that they were already complaining... if not as personally annoyingly to the king as the shamans currently are.
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Way to twist the words around. I had been arguing for not taking the March. You said it would cause chaos if we didn't take it. I called you out and now you think I am saying that the March has direct negative consequence.

Also back to your baseless speculation. Nowhere did it say mot taking it would cause what you are saying. The option had zero costs.
 
Eh, no one wants to discuss the boats idea so back on the bandwagon I go I guess.

[X] [Main] Build Iron Mine
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Balanced
[X] [Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
 
Academia Nut said:
You haven't tested yourself against them with the new iron weapons, but you feel confident in your ability to kick in the teeth of anyone, and somewhat confident in your capacity to take on any two at once and still prevail. If the Thunder Horse were able to hit you with everything you suspect it would be a hard fought thing, but as it is you would have difficulty projecting power. In defending your core territories of Redshore, Sacred Forest, and Valleyhome you have no doubts that there exists no known enemy that can crack your defences.
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Nice! Feeling very confident about expanding Eastwards then.

If you're already explicitly keeping track of how the other Civs are doing and what we know, what advances would we have to make to automatically keep track of roughly how all of our neighbours are doing?

Sivantic said:
Also back to your baseless speculation. Nowhere did it say mot taking it would cause what you are saying. The option had zero costs.
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The costs were inferred from the fact that we were well over our Martial cap, and we have good reason to believe that can have negative consequences - making the March was a convenient pressure release to bring it back down to safe levels.
 
...people, I apologize.

I think I made a mistake.

Issyk-Kul - Wikipedia

The inland sea could have been a saltier Lake Issyk-Kul that is not in the middle of the Tian Shan but north of it.

But still, possible not!Russia!
 
BungieONI said:
You seem really knowledgeable about situations similar to the one we face right now Deadly. Care to detail why the hills to the east are probably our best bet, even with the Thunder Speakers out that way?
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Eeeh, best bet is dubious.

Expanding towards the Thunder Speakers risks war with them, the TH and the rest of the vassals.

Finding a way of getting into the lowlands might be better at this point since with Iron Weapons we should be able to hold a foothole. And look we are going to be getting into a fight either way, but we can't just stay in the Hills anymore, otherwise the TH will finish with their consolidation of the lowlands and pin us in, and then we'd be fucked in the long run.
 
[X] [Main] Build Iron Mine
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Balanced
[X] [Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
 
I like that we already have a code language developed from the gibberish head wound guy and a smart shaman working together.

This knowledge could propell us closer to flag signals in battle possibly.

I might write an omake for this even.
 
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Sivantic said:
The point was that even if we destroyed an incredible amount of nomads, we were immediately faced with more nomads. Peaceful ones, yes, but nomads all the same. We still have nomads to the north with more incoming next turn. Ergo, nothing changed, pyrrhic victory
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I thought they were traders from another civ, not nomadic traders? We just thought they were nomads at first, because nobody else lives in that direction, as far as we were aware.

And even then, AN has already said we literally depopulated a massive pocket of nomads. That isn't a Pyrrhic victory, considering how little we lost really. We for all intents and purposes broke the nomads for several generations, which gives the Stallions and Westwallers time to build up to the point where it would be insanity to attack them without some pretty impressive leaps in tech on the nomads part.
 
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kilopi505 said:
...people, I apologize.

I think I made a mistake.

Issyk-Kul - Wikipedia

The inland sea could have been a saltier Lake Issyk-Kul that is not in the middle of the Tian Shan but north of it.

But still, possible not!Russia!
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Or, or, entertain my madness for a moment...

Or its only generally based on earth, not a duplicate, and none of the geography is guaranteed to match up.

Its even less likely that the people will match up to their historical counterparts, and to think of them that way would be detrimental.

I mean, i know it's a crazy idea, but I've got a good feeling about it.
 
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