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[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Snail Cultivation
 
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[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing

With our economy burning from the megaprojects, we can't safely afford a settlement. Getting more black soil is almost mandatory, and fishing provides
1) additional food which doesn't cost black soil
2) additional luxuries for trade
3) may give an in to further developing boat technology.
 
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[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement

We need to feed the Earth more Black Soul-I mean Soil. Definitely an accidental typo and not on purpose.
 
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This is what we have always done when the question is presented, and so shall we continue.

[X] [Secondary] Black Soil

It is painfully obvious from the update that we need this to continue. It is almost stated outright.
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing

I can't decide between Expand Fishing or Expand Snail Cultivation.

I don't think we can actually afford to build a new settlement at the moment. It is an expensive undertaking to even contemplate, and with our Econ stat so low I fear we will dip to Econ 1 if we even try without some buffer. If we didn't need more black soil (terra preta), it wouldn't be a problem. But with economy three, we need to somehow concentrate on that as best we can.

If we want to build a new settlement while doing the mega project, I think we need to do it on a turn with an Econ secondary. For instance, if we don't need more black soil next turn, we can do expand fishing and new settlement. That should (hopefully) keep us moving.

Edited for choice. Expanding snails is better than fishing for a direct infusion into our economy.

Powerofmind said:
How shocking. The thing I said would happen happened.
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We also increased heirarchy to 4.
 
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[X] Send experts
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing

Fuck. We have tree cankers. There are a couple of different possible causes for this, but one in particular is worrying. Stress. Stress is caused when a tree isn't suited for its environment. And we might be the cause. After all, the update mentions that all of the tribes that used to live in those hills have drained away. The trees though, they were used to the presence of humans, with all of the changes we bring to an environment. Without humans, those same trees just aren't as viable as they once were, and the trees that do fine without humans are a long way out, so they can't repopulate the area as quickly. And the dying trees attract diseases which then spread the blight further. Two pieces of evidence support this. First, we seem to be finding evidence of humans in the initial blight areas. Second, our trees are totally fine. If the only difference between healthy and sick is the presence of humans, well, it kind of says what the cause is doesn't it?

Which is why I want to establish a new settlement. We're always going to struggle against the blight unless we get new people up there or less human dependent trees get established. And if the less dependent trees get established, then we're going to havethe same problem again when we do settle up there, because the environment will have to adjust back to us.

@Academia Nut Have I hit the salient points?
 
Sivantic said:
Now you're just being petty:p

Well, whatever it is, I hope it doesn't create further costs for Economy. So whatever you said shouldn't double down on that as then that would be three projects consuming our Economy, a Main and our two Secondaries.
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I'm petty, pedantic, and, alliteratively, a poor loser. I like the first two too much to change them, but am trying to change the last by welcoming decent arguments against me as instructive opportunities.

[X] Send experts
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing

Black Soil is necessary to supply to the people who are fixing the forests. Expand Fishing doesn't really provide much for the Blight effort - other than possibly the skeletons and innards of fish - but is otherwise beneficial. I'd maybe argue that Step Farming more hills would provide more food that can be turned into people and thus manure, and that creating dyes would increase trade with the WC - who would buy it despite their troubles. Regardless, though, the bandwagon has started and I shall fall in line.

Powerofmind said:
How shocking. The thing I said would happen happened.
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Much burn. So tear.

Hangwind said:
[X] Send experts
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing

Fuck. We have tree cankers. There are a couple of different possible causes for this, but one in particular is worrying. Stress. Stress is caused when a tree isn't suited for its environment. And we might be the cause. After all, the update mentions that all of the tribes that used to live in those hills have drained away. The trees though, they were used to the presence of humans, with all of the changes we bring to an environment. Without humans, those same trees just aren't as viable as they once were, and the trees that do fine without humans are a long way out, so they can't repopulate the area as quickly. And the dying trees attract diseases which then spread the blight further. Two pieces of evidence support this. First, we seem to be finding evidence of humans in the initial blight areas. Second, our trees are totally fine. If the only difference between healthy and sick is the presence of humans, well, it kind of says what the cause is doesn't it?

Which is why I want to establish a new settlement. We're always going to struggle against the blight unless we get new people up there or less human dependent trees get established. And if the less dependent trees get established, then we're going to havethe same problem again when we do settle up there, because the environment will have to adjust back to us.

@Academia Nut Have I hit the salient points?
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Academia Nut said:
Looks like it.
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*claps* Who's up for changing the bandwagon?
 
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The Western Confederacy should have sufficient marital skills of their own, while our own forestry and ecological skills seem quite unique.

[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement

The black soil is an economy action that both helps our farms and the blight, and new settlement is frankly essential. A great deal of the cost of this project is going to be travel times, so having a much closer location to be able to head to is a great advantage. For those saying it's too much now, remember the blight is expected to last another 2-4 turns so the new settlement should be worth considerably more than what it cost to create.

That new settlement is also going to come with forestry management, and black soil production from the waste it generates, and similar to my above arguments and the arguments most of you made last turn are both essential. It also helps trade between the Valley and Coast, and should mean it's more accommodating to visit our holy site.
 
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Hangwind said:
[X] Send experts
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing

Fuck. We have tree cankers. There are a couple of different possible causes for this, but one in particular is worrying. Stress. Stress is caused when a tree isn't suited for its environment. And we might be the cause. After all, the update mentions that all of the tribes that used to live in those hills have drained away. The trees though, they were used to the presence of humans, with all of the changes we bring to an environment. Without humans, those same trees just aren't as viable as they once were, and the trees that do fine without humans are a long way out, so they can't repopulate the area as quickly. And the dying trees attract diseases which then spread the blight further. Two pieces of evidence support this. First, we seem to be finding evidence of humans in the initial blight areas. Second, our trees are totally fine. If the only difference between healthy and sick is the presence of humans, well, it kind of says what the cause is doesn't it?

Which is why I want to establish a new settlement. We're always going to struggle against the blight unless we get new people up there or less human dependent trees get established. And if the less dependent trees get established, then we're going to havethe same problem again when we do settle up there, because the environment will have to adjust back to us.

@Academia Nut Have I hit the salient points?
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This, and OP confirmation has convinced me.

[X] Send experts
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil

[X] Send experts
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Fishing
 
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I'm pretty sure that the cause for the blight was over hunting because the other people lost their farm food.
This over hunting would lead to an imbalance of plants as they are not eaten which leads to all the other problems.
 
Umi-san said:
Much burn. So tear.
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I'd just like to not be dismissed out of hand next time I argue that the choice everyone's banding on has negative effects. I don't expect people to vote because I say so, I just expect my concerns not to be ignored "Oh no, giving power to OTHER PEOPLE doesn't reduce the power of the people we already have. That's stupid and not how government works," was the meat of people's arguments against me.
 
Hangwind said:
That's modern society.
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Well...I guess with rising complexity of challenges only some families will have time for children to learn all this stuff, so this is somewhat inevitable, and caste of specialist advisers will help to mitigate negative effects, so...I still want to push for education when possible, but we'll have to live with this.

On cankers:
How Do You Treat Cankers in a Tree Effectively?
So how do you treat cankers in a tree? Preventing tree cankers is the best method of protection. It is best to plant native or well-adapted species for your growing region. These tree species will suffer less stress and adapt well to the soil type, sun exposure and overall environmental conditions in your area. The avoidance of stress is the best and most effective protection against canker diseases. Proper tree care including watering, feeding, mulching and pruning will help to keep trees as healthy as possible.

Once a tree has canker, it is essential to remove as much of the canker fungi as possible from the tree to avoid infection and spread. Prune only during dry weather and make cuts with a sterilized cutting tool at least 4 inches below the edge of the canker on trees.
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Hm. So we need to learn which trees are best suited to the various areas and plant them accordingly in order to win the project?

Powerofmind said:
I'd just like to not be dismissed out of hand next time I argue that the choice everyone's banding on has negative effects. I don't expect people to vote because I say so, I just expect my concerns not to be ignored "Oh no, giving power to OTHER PEOPLE doesn't reduce the power of the people we already have. That's stupid and not how government works," was the meat of people's arguments against me.
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With more and more difficult problems, some sort of decrease of social mobility was all but inevitable and bureaucracy is a way to mitigate it, I guess. Other options would have their own downsides.
 
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