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- United States
Ideally we wanted to choose both at the same time, but the problem is that one of the secondary objectives was already locked by Black Soil which we absolutely have to have for the Mega Project.
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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
There will always be other things that need to be done, but an Annual Festival right after the megaproject is going to massively boost our culture. We're not just being thankful for everything we have, we're celebrating a major victory over the land itself. We would establish ourselves as being masters of nature, just as the Spirit Talkers established themselves as masters of the supernatural and the Dead Priests as masters of war. When people learn about us, one of the first things they'll be told is that we cured the land itself of disease.
There will only be one turn to get maximum rewards out of establishing such a tradition, and that will be right after the mega-project is done.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Pfft, look at this silly piggy, trying to separate Nature from the Spirits.
- Location
- Asia
I hope we get an extra action out of bureaucracy.
- Location
- Hell
Something that we need to keep in mind though, is that we are The People, not just Farmers and Co.
Granted the mega-project affects us all, but our two secondary projects are both mainly beneficial to the farmers. I recommend we do at least one project for the Traders, the Fishers, or the Lower Valley Village, to ensure fairness and avoid social strife.
Of the projects available
Expand Fishing, Pasture, or Snail Cultivation are available, as is New Trails and Trade Mission. These also double as Economy projects as well, something needed since the Mega-Project is going to be siphoning from it as it continues.
Other possible projects, while not assisting the Economy but still valuable are: Build Wall(+Protection,+Engineering), Expand Place of Spirits(+Education,+Writing), and New Settlement(+Vilage). Keep in mind that these probably cost Economy so it would depend on what our Economy looks like after this turn.
Any thoughts?
Granted the mega-project affects us all, but our two secondary projects are both mainly beneficial to the farmers. I recommend we do at least one project for the Traders, the Fishers, or the Lower Valley Village, to ensure fairness and avoid social strife.
Of the projects available
Black Soil - While individual families produce this useful material, a community wide effort to establish production and distribution could have profound effects [Gardeners] [King]
Build Wall - Long experience with retaining walls has lead to the idea of a settlement wall for protection (Coastal village completed)
Build War Wagons - Increasing the number of war wagons would increase the general strategic and battlefield mobility of forces, although would be expensive to do so
Establish Annual Festival - People already like to celebrate at certain times of the year, but with the level of control over food distribution a new and particularly lavish festival can be established
Expand Farms - The people have brought an enormous amount of land under cultivation in the valley, but there is more available in more marginal areas, and in the forests around the fishing village
Expand Fishing - There are managed cultivation zones along the shore, and dedicating more people to the tasks can increase the yields of fish and luxuries brought in
Expand Managed Forests - There are many forests throughout the hills about the various forests that could be brought under proper management
Expand Pasture - While the traders mostly just take their animals where there is good grazing, specific areas can be set aside around the settlements that can be made ideal for the protected grazing of herds
Expand Place to Spirits - The current place dedicated to the spirits and wisdom is nice, but it could be bigger and grander...
Expand Snail Cultivation - While now more reliably grown and harvested, the snail domestication has only managed to hold environmental changes at bay rather than increase production. More investment would increase cultivation
Expand Warriors - More men can be inducted into the ranks of the warriors every year and not face major food shortfalls
New Settlement - The land is not particularly good for farming in between the valley and the sea, but there are places where a settlement could be set up, serving as a stop over point along the journey between the two settlements
New Trails - The settlements in the valley and the coast are well tied together, but there are new contacts to the north who could be better tied together
Step-Farms - Step farms have been established and have grown across the valley, but there are still plenty of hills to resculpt [Gardeners][King]
Trade Mission - Sending a major caravan to another large group can bring new opportunities and find out more about the outside world
War Mission - You can send raiding parties against groups that have declared themselves hostile
Mega-Projects - Mega-Projects can require many generations to complete, take an unknown amount of time to do so, and drain Econ while active, but can produce massive benefits once complete. Once chosen, the occupy the Main Focus slot until either completed or stopped early. Early stopping once started does not refund any of the investments and increases social strife. To reduce confusion, mega-projects are not listed as part of the voting project list and must be "written-in".
Fight Forest Blight - Something is going wrong in a number of wild forests, and generations of intervention may be required to stop it [Gardeners][King]
Grand Canal - The hills between the valley and the sea are rough and the rivers there fast and wild. In one man's dream there is the vision of an artificial river cut through the land, tame and managed [Gardeners][King]
Great Dam - The river can run wild and dangerous when the rains come strong, but could it not be controlled by the same principles by which the water on the hills is channelled and contained, merely on a larger scale? [Gardeners][King]
Build Wall - Long experience with retaining walls has lead to the idea of a settlement wall for protection (Coastal village completed)
Build War Wagons - Increasing the number of war wagons would increase the general strategic and battlefield mobility of forces, although would be expensive to do so
Establish Annual Festival - People already like to celebrate at certain times of the year, but with the level of control over food distribution a new and particularly lavish festival can be established
Expand Farms - The people have brought an enormous amount of land under cultivation in the valley, but there is more available in more marginal areas, and in the forests around the fishing village
Expand Fishing - There are managed cultivation zones along the shore, and dedicating more people to the tasks can increase the yields of fish and luxuries brought in
Expand Managed Forests - There are many forests throughout the hills about the various forests that could be brought under proper management
Expand Pasture - While the traders mostly just take their animals where there is good grazing, specific areas can be set aside around the settlements that can be made ideal for the protected grazing of herds
Expand Place to Spirits - The current place dedicated to the spirits and wisdom is nice, but it could be bigger and grander...
Expand Snail Cultivation - While now more reliably grown and harvested, the snail domestication has only managed to hold environmental changes at bay rather than increase production. More investment would increase cultivation
Expand Warriors - More men can be inducted into the ranks of the warriors every year and not face major food shortfalls
New Settlement - The land is not particularly good for farming in between the valley and the sea, but there are places where a settlement could be set up, serving as a stop over point along the journey between the two settlements
New Trails - The settlements in the valley and the coast are well tied together, but there are new contacts to the north who could be better tied together
Step-Farms - Step farms have been established and have grown across the valley, but there are still plenty of hills to resculpt [Gardeners][King]
Trade Mission - Sending a major caravan to another large group can bring new opportunities and find out more about the outside world
War Mission - You can send raiding parties against groups that have declared themselves hostile
Mega-Projects - Mega-Projects can require many generations to complete, take an unknown amount of time to do so, and drain Econ while active, but can produce massive benefits once complete. Once chosen, the occupy the Main Focus slot until either completed or stopped early. Early stopping once started does not refund any of the investments and increases social strife. To reduce confusion, mega-projects are not listed as part of the voting project list and must be "written-in".
Fight Forest Blight - Something is going wrong in a number of wild forests, and generations of intervention may be required to stop it [Gardeners][King]
Grand Canal - The hills between the valley and the sea are rough and the rivers there fast and wild. In one man's dream there is the vision of an artificial river cut through the land, tame and managed [Gardeners][King]
Great Dam - The river can run wild and dangerous when the rains come strong, but could it not be controlled by the same principles by which the water on the hills is channelled and contained, merely on a larger scale? [Gardeners][King]
Other possible projects, while not assisting the Economy but still valuable are: Build Wall(+Protection,+Engineering), Expand Place of Spirits(+Education,+Writing), and New Settlement(+Vilage). Keep in mind that these probably cost Economy so it would depend on what our Economy looks like after this turn.
Any thoughts?
If we don't have to deal with shinies or an incoming disaster.
- Location
- United States
Well, you're not wrong, but I still feel the need to protest this point. While the two secondary projects benefit the farmers the most, they're nothing more than extensions of the mega project. In that sense the secondary projects help everyone.
- Location
- Austria
I would say Settlement is a must, or veekie will explode
Another one...I am all for either long overdue Fishing or New Trails, depending on exact situation.
Well I'm all for the increase to education of course. Setting up a village near the place of spirits could theoretically help with getting people to go there, so a turn before or a turn after wouldn't be the worst thing.
For straight economy I'd say pastures is the next big thing on that list, as it gives us more power with animals able to do some work. Another option would be expanding fishing to help diversify our diet and not be so dependent on farming.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I think fishing and new settlement next year? Expand intake of a food source and luxury items while we are doing the mega project, and set up the settlement so our population has a place to expand to. There's also the possibility of advancing our sailboats. This could be a massive change to trade. On that note, the second the mega project finishes, I'm voting to establish a festival.
I'm rather curious to see the effect the black soil will have on our farming as a whole. We could be looking at a population boom now, or when we finish the "blight killer."
By the way, duders, I'm completely serious when I say we should start calling our people the Galadhrim and our "country" Lorianand. I mean, just look at us. We even has a badass female leader, who was (by their standards) tall and beautiful.
I'm rather curious to see the effect the black soil will have on our farming as a whole. We could be looking at a population boom now, or when we finish the "blight killer."
By the way, duders, I'm completely serious when I say we should start calling our people the Galadhrim and our "country" Lorianand. I mean, just look at us. We even has a badass female leader, who was (by their standards) tall and beautiful.
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By the way, duders, I'm completely serious when I say we should start calling our people the Galadhrim and our "country" Lorianand. I mean, just look at us. We even has a badass female leader, who was (by their standards) tall and beautiful.
I don't know. I really like the name we have for ourselves. The Four Peoples or just the People. It really shows our identity and knowledge that were four different peoples that united into a single one.
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- Hell
I agree that they are extensions of the mega project, but they still mainly benefit the farmers as it creates goods that the farmers mainly use. So while that would reduce dissatisfaction from not doing a turn for them we should still do a project that benefits others next.
As long as you turn it into a Welsh name, maybe.I think fishing and new settlement next year? Expand intake of a food source and luxury items while we are doing the mega project, and set up the settlement so our population has a place to expand to. There's also the possibility of advancing our sailboats. This could be a massive change to trade.
I'm rather curious to see the effect the black soil will have on our farming as a whole. We could be looking at a population boom now, or when we finish the "blight killer."
By the way, duders, I'm completely serious when I say we should start calling our people the Galadhrim and our "country" Lorianand. I mean, just look at us. We even has a badass female leader, who was (by their standards) tall and beautiful.
(We are Welsh after all)
zamin
The Watcher in the Dark
Well, if we really want to boost culture, we could combine Annual Festivals with Expand Spirit Place to really get the most out of our achievements.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
As long as you turn it into a Welsh name, maybe.
(We are Welsh after all)
Elvish in LOTR is derived from Welsh. My point is only even more relevant.
Tolkien was utterly fascinated by Welsh, and even argued in its inclusion as one of the major progenitor languages for modern English.
We're motherfucking elves folks. Or at the very least, welsh druids.
(BTW I'm really not serious about this, I just find it funny and the parallels are rediculously relevant)
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- Hell
Your link is broken
That would be neat, like a Main Annual Festival to get the festivities really going with Expand Place of Spirits as a secondary. That leaves a third option for whatever pops up.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
Short answer: Yes. Long Answer:*sigh*
I was answering three different people with text from AN, that's why. Okay I'll try again.
We know where it the New Settlement would be because it is stated in the projects,
So between the the two settlements, which is roughly where our Place of Spirits is.
Next, I refuted @veekie's point that we need a new settlement by providing the text on where it says the Blight is occuring
In which is further supported by the map
Then, I made a remark to @hylas240 about how New Trails wouldn't help as much, due to how near the Blight is, as Expand Pastures. That is due to the fact that it increases the amount of labor and materials we use.
Will you continue to accuse me of spaghetti posting Umi-san?
Your post continued to take quotes out of their original context, so it was still unclear a) whether they came from listings of project descriptions or the most recent chapter or anywhere and b) whether the context around them supported or disproved your claim. The full context around the section you quoted is as follows:
Your claims are, in order, 1) That "We know where it the New Settlement would be because...between the the two settlements, which is roughly where our Place of Spirits is." 2) That veekie's point is incorrect, due to the quote [1], for which you did not provide the surrounding context. 3) That a map on which you drew a circle appears to prove the preceding claim. 4) That pastures will be more helpful for repairing the damage done to the forest, inside the forest, because they were helpful in providing animals to carry things to a town.
To address them:
1) The New Settlement does appear to be roughly where our Place of Spirits is. Please keep that place in mind.
2) The relevant passages from AN's writing are:
[1]:However, while there are many great strides, it is probably the decision to majorly increase the management of forests - particular around the coastal village - that reveals something troubling ; [3]: Then as managed forests expand, the hunters range further out into semi-managed and unmanaged forest and begin to work out what has been going wrong with the coastal river [3].
[5]: There are regions where the forest has succumbed to whatever is affecting them and not bounced back quickly after a fire or some other naturally periodic event, the dead material crumbling away in the next heavy rain and leaving denuded hillsides that offer no resistance to waterflow, only accelerating water cutting them to bare stone and washing the soil into the river.
[1] agrees with your claim that the blight is near the coastal village. However, stopping there limited your perception, as [3] and [5] demonstrate how 1) the hunter went looking to try to work out what has been going wrong with the coastal river, implying that they went along the coastal river, and 2) that they found that there are a number of places along the coastal river where the trees are dead - due to environmental stress, presumably - which allows them and the hillsides they are attached to to wash away. In the end, it is clear - one hopes - that the "blight" extends all along all of the rivers: meaning that the site for the New Settlement - the Place of Spirits, as visible on the map - will be placed in a key spot to deal with all of them, unlike every other village. The Coastal village only deals easily with those on the same lump of land it rests on. The New Settlement can reach farther up from the coastal village - if the river can be crossed - and can also deal with the trees north of it, and those trees along the tributary river which it sits at the crossroads of.
Additional quotes of interest are as follows: [4]: While proper storage and management means that the People ride out uneven weather patterns with little trouble, in other areas the forests are clearly stressed and suffering from blights. [6]: It is like the spirits of the forest are either dying or moving away, leaving behind poorer land that spread like summer sores.
[4] Implies that in all forests except those managed by us (provided water during times of drought, and cut up when dead) there are many spots throughout where trees have been stressed to death. It's simply only an issue near the river because in such a situation, the trees are not surrounded by other trees who will capture the soil. While [6] might be taken to indicate a) spirits or b) a disease of some kind, it should be noted that the preceding descriptions focus on how the soil is being washed away, and that this eases the washing away of other soil next to it in a slowly expanding growth of "poorer soil." I.e., as other posters have astutely noted, it is more like desertification than a disease, which is less likely to be patchy, or like spirits, who do not matter.
In response to the whole educator thing: 1) the educators appear to only be based at the place of spirits, rather than like traveling minstrels who are also old 2) we do not have the food to support all of our children not working and all the people required to teach our children something that isn't related to the tasks that they can learn from their parents or the person they are apprenticed to learn a craft from 3) hunters can become traders by signing up for a caravan and talking to people and learning, although I'd note that the traders, at least, are a family-only proposition, 4) people other than the multisouled can learn, it's just that manly, crow-chosen women are more likely to be leaders, which the choice is addressing the issue of.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
One thing to mention here, is in the update where we sent people to help the fisher people (before we adopted them) the blight was noticed on the backside of the hills near the valley, just where the river to the coast starts.
(Edit: I really hate typing on these forums on my iPad. Words just pop out of the autocorrect and whatnot that make no sense.)
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
I don't get why you assume that wood, herbs, and forage are products that only farmers use. Certainly, we trade them to others and use them to build houses for all, boats for the fishers, and carts for the traders. The black soil will mainly be used by us, but most of it will go into the forest.I agree that they are extensions of the mega project, but they still mainly benefit the farmers as it creates goods that the farmers mainly use. So while that would reduce dissatisfaction from not doing a turn for them we should still do a project that benefits others next.
As long as you turn it into a Welsh name, maybe.
(We are Welsh after all)
During Megaproject: Snails to support our growing trade with WC & Expand Fishing to go with it. Build Wall, for the lower village, & New Trails if we have another turn. After blight but before canal: New Settlement + Festival + Expand Spirits = all @ place of spirits = synergy. If it will be after the blight it's a reasonable way to do both our goals: raising culture and increasing education.
Those were not managed yet, but might be now, as one expand forest option talked about expanding into the back of the hill.
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- Location
- Canada
They still practice slavery. Kill it with fire, and salt the ashes.
- Location
- Hell
That is a loong wall of TLDR, which is why I don't do that.
Easy assumption are that the quotes are from the the latest story post and further context is linked by the quote. I hardly think I said anything out of context to imply the opposite of what it meant, so I don't understand that as anything other than nitpicking.
Point on the woods. Still, we did a project for the farmers this turn, let's try and do something for someone else next turn shall we?
Veekie still has a good point about needing the New Settlement soonest though. We're going to burn away at the problem nearby and having a village closer up the river would help both this project and the canal.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Sure, that can be assumed, but you know what assumptions do.
It's nitpicking on the theoretical possibility that someone might - on purpose or by mistake - pull choice quotes from a passage when the rest of the passage can be used to counter the quote they pulled.
My tldr was intended to show such an example: aka, that you assumed it was only near the coast and more specifically the coastal village when it was actually elsewhere. You later acknowledged such a possibility andor said something like "well whatever, we can deal with the ones near the coastal village first" when v or someone brought it up, but who cares.
It's also just really jarring to me to have contextless quotes. Regardless of whether assumptions can be made.
Yeah, I thought about that after I posted, but was too lazy to edit. We should try to get an XS in @ the same time, if possible.
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- Hell