@bluefur87 , here you go:

1. We have unfilled Honour value slot.
2. Family First is an Honour value.

*looks at the votes*
*horrified screaming*
*Hugs* shh it's okay, I switched at least.

Have a tally. It's 19 for Atti vs 14 for the girlfriends. So only three people need to switch to pull ahead.


Basically, everyone marries each other to cement the People's tie against the influence of foreigners.
Which is inbreeding invitation. No danke.
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[22] Remind people along trade routes that the People don't suffer the blue plague (-1 Stability, chance of further loss, +4-5 Econ)
[19] Take Attrikwyn's advice (+2 Diplomacy, secures enduring alliance with Highlands Kingdom, ensures no attacks from nomads for at least next turn)
[14] Magwyna should marry them personally (Secures alliance with Highlands Kingdom while Magwyna lives, has a small chance of triggering conflict with the nomads)
[13] The People always let in those that come to them (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
[1] Encouraging people to leave the lowlands might help with the problem (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ)
Total No. of Voters: 36
count again
 
[X] Magwyna should marry them personally (Secures alliance with Highlands Kingdom while Magwyna lives, has a small chance of triggering conflict with the nomads)
[X] The People always let in those that come to them (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
 
[X] Magwyna should marry them personally (Secures alliance with Highlands Kingdom while Magwyna lives, has a small chance of triggering conflict with the nomads)
[X] The People always let in those that come to them (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
 
[X] Take Attrikwyn's advice (+2 Diplomacy, secures enduring alliance with Highlands Kingdom, ensures no attacks from nomads for at least next turn)
[X] The People always let in those that come to them (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
 
@bluefur87 , here you go:

1. We have unfilled Honour value slot.
2. Family First is an Honour value.

*looks at the votes*
*horrified screaming*

Now this is a good reason to switch. Family first would seek to create power blocks rather than smoothing out the edges through normalization of a system that has been in place for centuries

[X] Magwyna should marry them personally (Secures alliance with Highlands Kingdom while Magwyna lives, has a small chance of triggering conflict with the nomads)
[X] Remind people along trade routes that the People don't suffer the blue plague (-1 Stability, chance of further loss, +4-5 Econ)
 
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thats all listed on the civ sheet on page 1, second post down
the provinces are not, only peripheral states are.

Provinces: Valleyhome (split into lower and upper; one province); Redcoast, Sacred Forest, Stonepen, Northshore, Southshore, March, Blackriver, Eastern Hills (regrettably not yet shortened).

Total = 9 but March is semi-independent, so functionally 8.
8/2 = 4 provincial actions.
Adding one more province = 9/2 = 4.5 rounded up to 5 provincial actions.

Expected new province availability: East of EH; West and/or North of BR; East of March.
 
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[X] Take Attrikwyn's advice (+2 Diplomacy, secures enduring alliance with Highlands Kingdom, ensures no attacks from nomads for at least next turn)
[X] Remind people along trade routes that the People don't suffer the blue plague (-1 Stability, chance of further loss, +4-5 Econ)
 
Basically, everyone marries each other to cement the People's tie against the influence of foreigners.

> looks at medieval Europe

No. That's not how it works; thinking that's how it works is forgiveable for IC Ataturk who lacks history book about 1000 years of 'everyone marries each other' and how it worked out (it didn't and very messily so), but not for us OOC who can open a textbook and realise that it only leads to the sides being intertwined in the most convoluted ways possible...along with informal alliances of powerful families to overthrow the king (which are not even necessary for our system, lol) and other garbage.
 
Which part? The advice clearly stated spreading the marriage candidates among the northern families, with the King's son taking hand of Highland Kingdom's lady.

So citing your source?
After a long moment of deliberation, he said, "For the good of the People I would recommend cementing such alliances with our neighbours, although perhaps the women from nomadic tribes should be married to chiefs in the northern provinces a bit closer to where their tribes are to better secure those places. I would also suggest that the families of the chiefs more strongly intermarry so as to reduce the possibility of descendants later being able to use family connections with foreigners against the People, for it would not be many families against each other, but one family."
1) Marry the majority of them to her son.
2) Marry the Nomad princesses to Northern chiefs instead
3) Marry all the chief families to each other(this is most effectively done by having a chief marry the daughters of his fellows to maximize number of interconnections, and the only way to meaningfully do this in less than 4 generations)
 
> looks at medieval Europe

No. That's not how it works; thinking that's how it works is forgiveable for IC Ataturk who lacks history book about 1000 years of 'everyone marries each other' and how it worked out (it didn't and very messily so), but not for us OOC who can open a textbook and realise that it only leads to the sides being intertwined in the most convoluted ways possible...along with informal alliances of powerful families to overthrow the king (which are not even necessary for our system, lol) and other garbage.
This? This is why I hate meta knowledge. We ar eusing meta knowledge to go "Nope, this is a horrible idea:" when logically in this era this was how things are done. This wouldn't be the utter disaster you're painting it to be, especially since it would work with our other values.
 
Ok guys, instead of vilifying hereditary systems, think ho it would work with our values. Like Symphony for instance.
Symphony values different parts working together. A family is already a single thing.

ALso, I just don't want blood to be a defining trait for power and thus a limiting factor on our society.

Edit: "I hate meta knowledge" "this is how things were done in this era, so it's how we should do it"
 
For reference, the horizontal width of the United States is 4313.02 km.

I suspect 1000 km is more like including the Stallion Tribe's area of influence.
 
[X] Magwyna should marry them personally (Secures alliance with Highlands Kingdom while Magwyna lives, has a small chance of triggering conflict with the nomads)
[X] The People always let in those that come to them (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
 
3) Marry all the chief families to each other(this is most effectively done by having a chief marry the daughters of his fellows to maximize number of interconnections, and the only way to meaningfully do this in less than 4 generations)
Plus, doing it any other way - like marrying a couple daughters of one family in - is slightly more likely to lead to primogeniture as chiefs would try to get their daughters married to the person most likely to get power.
 
Ok guys, instead of vilifying hereditary systems, think ho it would work with our values. Like Symphony for instance.
Nothing to do with it.
Hereditary monarchy means that the line has to drop once for Bad Things to start happening; we, as opposed to it, have never had a succession crisis IIRC.
Not one succession crisis in ~600 years of history is....not something that has ever happened to any hereditary monarchy? Or at least it's not all that common.

This? This is why I hate meta knowledge. We ar eusing meta knowledge to go "Nope, this is a horrible idea:" when logically in this era this was how things are done. This wouldn't be the utter disaster you're painting it to be, especially since it would work with our other values.


It would conflict with our other values.
And AN explicitly said that the other factions are cheesing various OOC strats like 'full Roman army' Xohyssiri or 'beeling metalworking' guys. It was never a game intended to be played purely with IC perspective, so I do not understand your complaint at all.
 
People wouldn't complain when they're forced aside for someone's incompetent son?
Why would the incompetent son (or daughter) get picked over a competent one? This would actually reduce the likelihood of people plotting assassinations or doing shady things to cut someone off from power, because while they would benefit they'd be damaging the system our country runs on.
 
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