Main war mission is unnecessary and impedes the smooth functioning of the plan.
I see, you're assuming that a brief midturn period as an Offensive policy will actually allow our provinces to do something. Interesting.
The only things I could think of would be building a fire over the outflow with some sort of flue over it to produce suction and placing the inflow in a fast moving river to give it some 'oomph.'
Actually only sorta.
I saw your plan. You only send it to one of them. If you don't send one to both, we run into the possibility of our caravans getting raided. Send one to the Highland Kingdom, and the Thunder Horse either integrate their nomad cousins and become more raid happy, or oust their cousins, in which case they could go into the Lowlands and be raid happy. Send one to the Thunder Horse, and then we are still trading with the Xohyssiri, their most hated enemy and not them.
That was a one time thing and the Xohyssiri had to pay dearly for it. We would be taking the shortest direct route, likely the one Noxivah took.
There is literally no reason not to simply elevate the aqueducts like the Greeks, Romans, and Persians did. Unless you've planned very poorly, you can simply have the water go downhill when necessary and when you run into a 'hill', (as the valley depicted above), you elevate the aqueduct so as not to lose height OR you build a siphon. The use of siphons is basically a method of 'cheating' the elevation with watertight pipes which are not that terribly difficult to create.
Did you read it very carefully?I saw your plan. You only send it to one of them. If you don't send one to both, we run into the possibility of our caravans getting raided. Send one to the Highland Kingdom, and the Thunder Horse either integrate their nomad cousins and become more raid happy, or oust their cousins, in which case they could go into the Lowlands and be raid happy. Send one to the Thunder Horse, and then we are still trading with the Xohyssiri, their most hated enemy and not them.
We need to send to both if we want to ensure our trade routes are left alone and we get a chance at all their stuff. Remember
That was a one time thing and the Xohyssiri had to pay dearly for it. We would be taking the shortest direct route, likely the one Noxivah took.
Alternatively if we took both of them next turn, we could turn our caravan lines into a circuit around the lowlands to grab all the stuff too.
First, we need to complete it after the garden, get that shit goin!
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"The Greeks often used cut-stone or terracotta pipes and the same applies for the Romans in Spain."
I mean... it assumes that we actually get midturn actions of any great complexity which has historically not been true, at all. We usually get like 1 action or so.
Well, stability is an easy reason why elevating the aqueducts might not be an optimal option, as is noted in the article on inverted siphons and the romans never building aqueducts @ 50 meters height or above.
tbh I just want the trade mission @ the SHP. Also, taking the shortest direct route only has us going through the HK so I guess that's one reason to do the HK instead. Though we might be paying for passage anyways?
It's what I want to do after expanding, building the dam, and integrating the March. Together with a Progress policy shift, ideally.
Which is exactly my problem with it. We have a limited time of peace right now. We haven't the slightest idea of how long it will take for them to start fighting again. I'd rather send do Main South Shore Settlement and send trade missions to both next turn.Did you read it very carefully?
I do send stuff to both but I don't do it in the same turn. If you meant in the same turn, there ain't much I can say other than that the plan sends TM's with a very small gap in between, and exactly who it's sent to is actually really flexible. So we could do HK then TH then SHP. Or TH then HK then SHP.
Permanent peace is a huge pie in the sky dream, especially since they have war honour traits. However that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and send it to both next turn. We stick with just one, we end up stuck with one side and the other side going "friend of my enemy is also my enemy"My honest opinion on whether we can keep the HK and TH from butting heads by sending simultaneous TM's:
Unlikely.
However, in step 7 if we replace the War Mission with a TM we can do TM TH & HK. The old TM from step 5 can be used for something else. So it might be worth it to try.
Here is my thinking on it which might not have been clear. I apologize for that.
I don't think we can stop them. And if we take both we are going to probably have to drop both.
Your point is valid. Very much so in fact. But, what we can do is send a TM to the SHP with absolutely no consequence if we wish.
This too.
Let me address your concern. If we send one to the SHP in step 1, the Lowlands have no real influence over us and we have no real influence over them. They go to war for steps 2 through 7. We poke them in step 7 and then nab them both during the probable cease fire. I'm assuming three generations between ceasefires for the Lowlands. Plus what Umi said, they are actually kinda occupied so they may only be starting to think about war in step 7. Don't trust that very much because Xoh but it's a thought.
I haven't the foggiest idea what you just said. Queen's English please.
...Why can't people just spell it out?
The legend:
Im sorry if it is not clear what I've been saying. If it is great!
The metal workers are to the northwest across the sea*. The southern hill people are to the south of that same body of water, and were the ones raiding us...i dont remember if they have metal? There are also some people to the south that i dont think we've met yet, that have metal, that the Highland Kingdom trade with...though its possible that people are referring to them as the southern hill people, and/or thinking that these last two groups are the same?
