There is nitrogen in coal. Is the form wrong for being converted to nitrate? With filtering, is there a common substance that can be used to skip ahead to better explosives than black powder? Petrochemicals from oil sands?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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...why do we want guns? That just makes the world even MORE deadly.
It also breaks the setting because now any chuunin can oneshot a Kage from afar, and high power ninja in general become kinda useless, because if even one ninja is still alive on the enemy side they can just point and shot them. The difference between an essie and a random chuunin is probably smaller than between that chuunin and a civilian.
Heck, if you trained armies of civilians, equipped them with functional guns and chakdars and other means of tracking chakra users and giving them a bunch of ninja guards to prevent enemy ninja from just walking up and slaughtering them in melee, you could have them meaningfully contribute.
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There was a lot of talk a long time ago as to why the random Chunin would ever be caught on the open field, and wouldn't have just run long before the civilians could see them to open fire.
Yes it is wrong. ES doesn't affect chemical structure. ES produces filtered iron oxides, not iron. Barring meteorites, there is no free iron in Earth's crust. It's too reactive as a base metal.
According to this source the nitrogen in coal is from hydrocarbons, as you'd expect. Pyridines and pyrroles. Those are relatively reactive hydrocarbons, but nothing like a nitrate. Nitrates explode.
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I'm talking about mixing water and sodium as seal content, not just water. 2Na + 2H2O = H2 + fun. H2 + air + fun = even more fun. That's chemistry!IIRC, we have a "mist-erator" (really pulling a Doofenshmirtz on that one) that does something similar. It unseales the water in such a way that it creates a mist that, under the right conditions, Noburi can drain chakra through.
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That's why you use optics.
Civilians are surrounded my horrible monsters, enough so that human population is significantly falling over time, and possibly falling at an increasing rate.
That's bad. guns might help a lot.
Still, the possibility of civilian armies being introduced to warfare is daunting, and we should think carefully/game it out before introducing firearms to the world(and talk to Shika). but there are big advantages to enabling civilians to kill chakra beasts.
I don't think civilians can meaningfully contribute to ninja combat with early firearms.
Scenario 1. 1 chunin + 100 civilians w/ matchlocks vs 1 spec jounin.
Spec jounin rolls initiative - drops Grand fireball on civvies, they all die without getting a shot off. Now it's spec jounin vs chunin.
Secnario 2. 100 civvies w/ matchlocks vs. 3 genin
Genin win initiative, start throwing explosives, the explosives kill all the civvies, they don't get a shot off.
You need to use a very loose formation to cope with AoE seals/ninjutsu which means the shots are easy to dodge.
This a reaction of sodium metal, not sodium hydroxide. Sodium hydroxide is the product of the stated reaction. You can't react sodium hydroxide like sodium metal. Sodium hydroxide has already reacted with water.
You could stick the hydroxides in a macerator and spray caustic in people's eyes. That's totally allowed.
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You could probably use ES to filter the sodium nitrate from organic waste, extract/purify sulfur and get the particle size of the coal right. However, Hazo has no reason to suspect the existence of gunpowder and I'm not sure it's worth it relative to sealing.
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- Fifth Dimension
We both know that guns are going to ninja first, then civilians. And given that chakra beast are already being killed, it seems fine as it is. Guns introduce even more unpredictability in ninja deaths and safety.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
I would like Hazou to funnel some of our new Corundom metal and high quality iron to our master blacksmith, with the intent of creating weapons so good that they have their own Aspects.
Yuuma is using a basic spear, and having an awesome one that he can spend FP to invoke Aspects on might help.
Further, since Hazou can print unlimited Corundom, we can hook civilians up with similarly awesome-quality weapons (even if we just use our "standard" high quality iron ore).
We know that civilians fight chakra beasts off in their hamlets (or at least Yuuma's grandpa did). We could hook them up with some high quality weapons to help... I also imagine that giving them high quality farming tools wouldn't go amiss.
Yuuma is using a basic spear, and having an awesome one that he can spend FP to invoke Aspects on might help.
Further, since Hazou can print unlimited Corundom, we can hook civilians up with similarly awesome-quality weapons (even if we just use our "standard" high quality iron ore).
We know that civilians fight chakra beasts off in their hamlets (or at least Yuuma's grandpa did). We could hook them up with some high quality weapons to help... I also imagine that giving them high quality farming tools wouldn't go amiss.
Idea: de-chakrarisation treaties.
Signatory nations agree to have Akatsuki-Wakahisa continually drain a certain number of their ninja down to civillian levels so that everyone is less dangerous to each other.
E: or a certain number of their jonin down to chunin levels so they can still do chakra beast extermination?
Signatory nations agree to have Akatsuki-Wakahisa continually drain a certain number of their ninja down to civillian levels so that everyone is less dangerous to each other.
E: or a certain number of their jonin down to chunin levels so they can still do chakra beast extermination?
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- Texas
Neat idea, but probably not with Curundum. Afaik it's more crystalline than metal-like.
We can try filtering coal and charcoal and seeing if putting the result with the iron oxides makes better steel.
That's right, corundum is crystalline aluminum oxide. It would make pretty good single use blades. But they would shatter pretty quickly.
We can also make diamond which is even harder, so making diamond edged kunai and the like actually should be pretty easy. We can bond the surface layer of metal, so bonding diamond to the surface of a sword for extra cutting power should be possible.
Would vote for this in the next science! plan
Actually, speaking of Akatsuki treaties, do you think we could get them to do intervillage missions for common causes for the same purposes as Asuma's Gouketsoromo missions?
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- Book Fort
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@eaglejarl , @Velorien , @Paperclipped
When you have the time, could I bribe y'all to add these to the relevant character sheets?
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- Land of Snow
Granite does contain sodium metal (or, more likely, sodium oxide). It's a part of feldspar, which is Na[AlSi3O8].
2Na[AlSi3O8] - Al2O3 (corundum) - 6SiO2 (sand) = Na2O. It's not hydroxide and it does react with water. There's quite a lot of it, as well. Some calcium oxide and potassium oxide as well.
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Is "ES does not do chemical reactions" not well established? I thought it was quite clear from the text.
"Containing sodium atoms" and "containing sodium metal" are very very very different things. Table salt contains sodium atoms (ions technically), it doesn't explode on contact with water. Same can't be said for sodium metal.
Granite sure does contain sodium atoms, it does not contain sodium metal. To filter for sodium metal, ES would have to chemically alter the target. Something which it has shown no ability to do so far.
Feldspar is a regular crystal, ripping it apart for the sodium oxide is beyond the capabilities that ES has shown so far.
Now if you want to chemically alter the filtered feldspar, we can talk. But Hazou doesn't know any chemistry and thinks kami run the universe. So I doubt we're getting very far.
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- Raleigh, NC
Can characters tutor each other? Could Noburi teach Hazo medknow and Hazo tech Noburi sealing?
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped how long on the timeladder does it take to deploy a skyslicer? It seems like a task that might he significantly easier with multiple people (or beings) working on it. So more than one number (for different size teams) might be reasonable.
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
Hazo has demonstrated (via Harumitsu) his ability to serve as a sealing teacher for stunt-related purposes.
I don't think that either party would see any mechanical benefit from doing so.
Side note: we should.learn Harumitsu's cooling seal and see if there's potential for an EM replacement.