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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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FaintlySorcerous said:
We've benefited hugely from three-day and longer plans. Do you want to have to spend three updates (minimum) with SSA-induced headaches every time we complete a sealing research attempt? 15 updates (ten in-game days, 15 updates, two updates a week, seven IRL weeks at absolute minimum?) for every research cycle? We research seals much more than 5-10% of the time.
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yes? at least until we run out of useful tasks that can be quickly done. it's not like the headache will be a big hindrance.

FaintlySorcerous said:
Were you uncomfortable with our return from Honey?
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I'm fine with travel time being a reason for an time skip to be longer. I did dislike embarking on the Honey trip because of the time cost.
 
roobee said:
at least until we run out of useful tasks that can be quickly done
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What's on your list of tasks that we can knock out while also spending the overwhelming majority of our waking time researching a seal?
roobee said:
it's not like the headache will be a big hindrance.
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AFAIK the headache is mechanically a minor consequence, so we don't want to be making any rolls while we're recovering, and narratively it really kicks our ass so we can't do a whole lot. A person dealing with the second day of a two-day migraine is not a productive person.
 
Reminder that the poll is about the maximum comfortable timeskip, not the minimum timeskip.

If for example, you are fine with a 3 days timeskip to travel to a mission, then your answer should at least be 3 days.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
Were you uncomfortable with our return from Honey?
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roobee said:
I'm fine with travel time being a reason for an time skip to be longer. I did dislike embarking on the Honey trip because of the time cost.
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Kiba said:
Reminder that the poll is about the maximum comfortable timeskip, not the minimum timeskip.

If for example, you are fine with a 3 days timeskip to travel to a mission, then your answer should at least be 3 days.
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I think you guys are talking past each other.

'timeskip' typically has a certain meaning in quests. Nobody in the history of ever has taken going to sleep at one update, waking up at the start of the next update, and called that a timeskip of 8 hours.

timeskip is usually used in specific ways, and generally brushes past multiple updates of perfectly viable game time in order to skip ahead to 'the good part', hence the skip in timeskip. If Hazo is doing 2 months of training, he's also gonna have 2 months of dinners with family, 2 months of board night, 2 months of dating, 2 months of Gaku's snark. Hazo doesn't lock himself away in a chamber for closed door Xianxia-style cultivation, he's a human who does human things between training sessions.

If you timeskip past a 2 month training session, all of that is effectively lost, or handwaved away as 'it happened in the background but nothing interesting happened so just ignore it'. THAT is what roobee wants to avoid, as much as possible. If Hazo is training for 2 months, then roobee would like 2 months worth of slice-of-life updates, showing intermittent training progress mixed in with social bonding and all the other wacky Hazo shenanigans we love to read about. roobee doesn't just want to teleport to the future with a note thats says 'some stuff happened, now you're a seal-master have fun.'


Now I absolutely agree that 16 hours, or 8 before that, is a bit of a unreasonable vote. But at the same time, I understand the feeling behind it and agree that it's kinda hard to set a reasonable time limit for something like that when the whole point of your vote is that you want to micromanage (and read about) as much of Hazo's life as possible. With that specific desire in mind, what would you suggest? A day? 3? a week? At what point do you give up too much ground and realize that you just agreed to cover a year of Hazo's life in under 20 updates? (assuming multiple snips per update, a week of 'timeskip' between each snip, you could get 52 week-long timeskips out pretty quickly.)
 
redzonejoe said:
I think you guys are talking past each other.

'timeskip' typically has a certain meaning in quests. Nobody in the history of ever has taken going to sleep at one update, waking up at the start of the next update, and called that a timeskip of 8 hours.

timeskip is usually used in specific ways, and generally brushes past multiple updates of perfectly viable game time in order to skip ahead to 'the good part', hence the skip in timeskip. If Hazo is doing 2 months of training, he's also gonna have 2 months of dinners with family, 2 months of board night, 2 months of dating, 2 months of Gaku's snark. Hazo doesn't lock himself away in a chamber for closed door Xianxia-style cultivation, he's a human who does human things between training sessions.

If you timeskip past a 2 month training session, all of that is effectively lost, or handwaved away as 'it happened in the background but nothing interesting happened so just ignore it'. THAT is what roobee wants to avoid, as much as possible. If Hazo is training for 2 months, then roobee would like 2 months worth of slice-of-life updates, showing intermittent training progress mixed in with social bonding and all the other wacky Hazo shenanigans we love to read about. roobee doesn't just want to teleport to the future with a note thats says 'some stuff happened, now you're a seal-master have fun.'


Now I absolutely agree that 16 hours, or 8 before that, is a bit of a unreasonable vote. But at the same time, I understand the feeling behind it and agree that it's kinda hard to set a reasonable time limit for something like that when the whole point of your vote is that you want to micromanage (and read about) as much of Hazo's life as possible. With that specific desire in mind, what would you suggest? A day? 3? a week? At what point do you give up too much ground and realize that you just agreed to cover a year of Hazo's life in under 20 updates? (assuming multiple snips per update, a week of 'timeskip' between each snip, you could get 52 week-long timeskips out pretty quickly.)
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Good analysis. Apart from the slice-of-life stuff that Hazou gives up, he also gives up a chance to influence things that are important but maybe not timeskip-interrupting urgent. For example, if Mari needs a solution to her genjutsu problem and Hazou provides none because he's busy with sealing research for a couple months, she'll end up doing something and Hazou won't have had the chance to say his piece or make suggestions to her.

The shortest realistic vote, in my eyes, is 1 week. This is how long it takes Hazou to prepare for a sealing research infusion. Between reading Jiraiya's sealing theory notes, managing the clan, and also doing the sealing prep work, there's no time for any slice-of-life stuff to happen at all, so there's no real content in the middle. A vote shorter than 1 week would almost necessarily be predicated on Hazou not ever doing sealing research.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
Some suggestions here. No tab key on my phone's keyboard, apparently...

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Not comfortable adding these edits. The family haven't made their decisions regarding genin teams (or, at least, they haven't told Hazou yet), and I'm not willing to risk Hazou assuming the affirmative... especially with Mari, who is our spymistress, and whose time is valuable (though I suspect she could leverage this to get more T&I prisoners for genjutsu creation).

eaglejarl said:
[Hazou] read the uncertainty on all four of his clanmates' faces, and waved a hand. "Take the scroll and think about it. Tell me what you decide within the week though, so I can get the Tower to assign you strong teams if you accept."
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RandomOTP said:
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Paperclipped

As per Hazou's promise to Ino, we've made it a general rule to have every Goketsu ninja to learn the Yamanaka Stability Jutsu... if the hivemind wants newest batch of adopted Goketsu ninja to learn YSJ, do we have to continuously/manually direct fresh adoptees to do it, or can we safely assume that they are given that direction upon being adopted into the clan?
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You don't need to worry about this. They are given the direction to learn it when they're being taught the other clan jutsu, like PCJ.
 
PSA: I will be writing this Thursday's plan.

Current or past plotlines/topics that I'm interested in (unordered list):
  • Jinchūriki seal chain/necromancy
  • Chakra/ninjutsu science
  • Condors/conclave
  • Sealtech innovations
  • Mari genjutsu development
  • Neck mission/Squirrel Scroll/scroll hunts
  • The incoming genin teams
  • Seventh Path: Cannai, Toad Sages, more Dragonslaying
  • Ino
  • Sasuke
  • Leaf's S-rankers (N/O/T)
  • Lore/worldbuilding-y stuff
  • Anything with meaningful stakes

RandomOTP said:
[x] Action Plan: Student, Brother, and Sealing
Word count: tbd
  • Mari Sanity Check and Optimization
  • Harumitsu
    • Normal lessons/training
    • Subtly inquire about life in the Hagoromo
      • Does he have friends?
      • What does he do for fun?
      • (Internally) Is he well looked after?
    • Try to make introductions to other Goketsu - Akane, Noburi, Mari, Kagome's sealing students
      • Noburi's sisters, with Noburi's sign off?
      • Goal: we're not trying to pawn him off on other people, but to help him build positive social connections with Goketsu at large
    • Ask about the heating seal - be encouraging, positive.
  • Asuma
    • Tone: respectful, advocating for our clansman. Straightforward, receptive to a 'no'.
    • We were wondering when Noburi would be available for missions outside the village.
    • It's been a few months. We were wondering if there was a clearer timeline?
    • We're not privy to everything you see, but the world seems to be calming down.
    • Among other things, we want Noburi to be able to help build roads throughout Fire —boosting trade helps everyone, Leaf included.
    • This is absolutely Asuma's call, but Noburi wants to be out in the world. We agree with him.
  • Misc
    • Continue working on Minato's First Seal
    • If Noburi is authorized to leave, have him begin escorting Toad Ambassador to Dog
    • Visit Mareo
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Quick plan feedback:
  • Neutral on the Harumitsu scene. I could imagine some ways I would enjoy writing it, but it doesn't stand out to me. Fine.
  • Asuma scene is uninteresting, ultimately off-screenable. Could be 10x less words.
 
[x] Action Plan: Mari-sensei, Genjutsu, and Social-specs
Words: tbd
  • Mari, Asuma wants you to lead a genin team.
    • Obviously, you did amazing work training us while we were missing nin, and you've done a great job of helping us to be the best versions of ourselves.
      • We wouldn't be half the person we are today if not for your positive influence,
      • Your presence in our lives is something that we're eternally grateful for, and any genin would be immensely lucky to have you as their "Goketsu-sensei."
    • However, we know that your time is valuable and that you're being torn in twenty different directions (Woosh-protection, spymaster, merchant council control, etc).
    • If being a sensei is something that you want to do, you may be able to get Asuma to throw more T&I prisoners your way for genjutsu creation. We could add more bait to the hook if it would make the job easier (increased monthly skywalker production, offering to improve the duration of skywalkers for the Tower, offering replace Asuma's supply of chakdar with chakdar v2 once we're done with it, etc)
  • Misc
    • Continue working on Minato's First Seal
    • Visit Mareo
 
Took out the Snowflake dance, because I know Vel would be heartbroken to have missed writing that.

[X] Action Plan: The Offscreened Dance
Word Count: <300
  • Sanity check everything with Mari.
  • Throw a private dance
    • Favorite foods
    • Hire a band that Akane and Ino, specifically, like.
    • Moonlight.
    • Floating lanterns.
    • Arrange Arachnid entertainment if Kagome can manage.
      • Aerial silk dancers? Trapeze?
      • Find an Arachnid interesting in learning about human fashion/artistry, and introduce them to Ino. Tell Ino to come prepared.
    • Show off.
      • Dance with Ino and Akane.
      • SCs use ES to make the dance floors rise.
        • 15x15 square dance platforms rising 16m, slowly spins around like a screw.
        • Hire + consult with a mosaic artist to have one of the SC ES the dance floor with a simple moving pattern without tripping up feet. Practice beforehand to get it right.
    • Talk about getting or not getting used to a life like this.
 
[x] Action Plan: Sealing and Sasuke
  • Mari check all.
  • Hazou and Kagome continue to work on Minato's chain for however long Paper is comfortable with.
  • Spend time with Sasuke.
    • Try to make friends.
    • Find out more about the Uchiha. It's natural to be curious about one's ancestors.
    • Try to bring Sasuke in on Project Necromancy.
      • Yes, even if the Uchiha dead sound like assholes of the Hiashi-est order.
      • Coordinate with Mari to give best pitch (ie. aspect tags for any rolls needed).
  • Offscreen:
    • Continue visiting Mareo.
    • Ask Asuma about Noburi being allowed to go outside the village.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
What's on your list of tasks that we can knock out while also spending the overwhelming majority of our waking time researching a seal?
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of the tasks I find more likely the hivemind will agree with: push asuma to get telescope for great seal/push ino to be faster in getting telescope, check if there is useful technology we can buy from pangolins (such as telescopes), check if 7path telepathy works on human path animals (especially chakra koi), forbidden lore conversation with Cannai, skimming book about akatsuki if kagome re-wrote/asking kagome to summarize it to us verbally if he hasn't
some more controversial tasks: hire nara to open-endedly think about how to optimize/help goketsu stuff, ask nara/tower for their knowledge about oro psychology, test effects of stacking rocket boots on launching items at high speed, check out how leaf treat's its prisoners in T&I
FaintlySorcerous said:
AFAIK the headache is mechanically a minor consequence, so we don't want to be making any rolls while we're recovering, and narratively it really kicks our ass so we can't do a whole lot. A person dealing with the second day of a two-day migraine is not a
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The rules state minor consequences are comparable to a black eye or being embarrassed. I don't expect that to impair someone. Especially a ninja. Especially a high-resolve ninja. It's also called a minor consequence, which gut feeling seems like isn't a concern.
Kiba said:
Reminder that the poll is about the maximum comfortable timeskip, not the minimum timeskip.

If for example, you are fine with a 3 days timeskip to travel to a mission, then your answer should at least be 3 days.
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The poll was about timeskips in general. I interpreted in general to mean a pseudo-average of all the diverse situations and factors related to a timeskip. And consider travel time to be enough of an oddity that it didn't affect the average much.

redzonejoe said:
'timeskip' typically has a certain meaning in quests. Nobody in the history of ever has taken going to sleep at one update, waking up at the start of the next update, and called that a timeskip of 8 h
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In general, the poll question is very general and vague. Allowing a variety of interpretations, which will cause a lot of variance in the results.
But specifically for sleeping. Paperclipped, a QM, has essentially stated sleeping counts as a timeskip
Paperclipped said:
I'll discard this as a joke vote unless you can somehow justify the idea that essentially no update ever should be longer than 8 hours (thus necessitating that around 1 in every 3 updates is dedicated to Hazou sleeping...)
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redzonejoe said:
If Hazo is training for 2 months, then roobee would like 2 months worth of slice-of-life updates, showing intermittent training progress mixed in with social bonding and all the other wacky Hazo shenanigans we love to read about.
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Nah it's not the slice of life I'm interested in. I just don't trust hazou pilot to do the tasks I'm interested in.

Paperclipped said:
The shortest realistic vote, in my eyes, is 1 week. This is how long it takes Hazou to prepare for a sealing research infusion. Between reading Jiraiya's sealing theory notes, managing the clan, and also doing the sealing prep work, there's no time for any slice-of-life stuff to happen at all, so there's no real content in the middle. A vote shorter than 1 week would almost necessarily be predicated on Hazou not ever doing sealing research.
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Hazou has to rest from sealing-related activity after his SSA headaches. Does reading jiraiya's notes count as sealing related activity?
 
Since we've upped Noburi's Chakra reserves I think It's time that we take another crack at getting Sage Mode.

[X] Action Plan: Providing a Peculiar Plan for Paper
  • Noburi and the sages
    • Optimize everything with Mari
    • Have Noburi meet wit Ma & Pa to discuss Sage Mode/Nature Chakra
      • Noburi is feeling left behind
        • Kei and Hazou are both leaders who can still get to out and adventure in the world
        • But Noburi is still trapped in Leaf
        • He's just expected to be a chakra battery
        • empowering other summoners while he wastes away
        • It's not supposed to be like that. He's the Toad Summoner, the Heir to Jirayia and he's just stuck
        • Asuma is trying to get him to take a Genin teaching assingment
          • That's all he will ever be. While the rest of team becomes legends
      • See if Ma & Pa would be willing to teach him anything that would help him become strong enough to convince Asuma to let him leave Leaf
  • Haruhisa
    • Meet with him and discuss the differencedifferences and parallels between sealing and technique hacking
      • Jiraiya and the Third Hokage would argue over which was superior
        • What's his stance on the matter?
    • Talk about how creating the MARI will fundamentally change the world
      • See how he feels about helping out civilians
    • Hint at the notes and try to figure out if he'd be a good adoption candidate.
      • Does he want to be clan?
      • Is he aligned with the KEI?
      • Is he a good fit for Goketsu?
  • Misc:
    • Continue working on Minato's seal chain
 
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I don't know how usefull it will be but but would be intresthing dragging fugaku back from the dead and have the scandal of the uchiha come to light. :V
 
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