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I don't mind writing one for you and you can edit what you want, but it's pretty close to the deadline now...
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
[X] Welcome Home, Here's Some Lists
I don't like this plan, but I cannot stress enough how bad of an idea it is to strike up a conversation with Kabuto for so little (possibly zero) gain.
I don't like this plan, but I cannot stress enough how bad of an idea it is to strike up a conversation with Kabuto for so little (possibly zero) gain.
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Can I ask what else you might want in this one? No guarantees it can be fit in, but I can try
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That would be awesome, thank you.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Ping me and I'll vote for it
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- The state of Paranoia
Unvoting the Kabuto plan because I've been convinced that this doesn't get on Kabuto's good side as much as I thought it did. I'll stick with the other one.
I think it's a lot of discussion without much action. It's mostly just updating people on things and hearing their opinions. I get that that's all important, but it's also uninteresting. I'm not sure you could fit in a major scene where we do something fun to read/write in addition to Having Meetings Part 487, though.
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oof, then you aren't gonna like the draft i'm making for faflec lol
I will say implementing the HOWS is a pretty significant and likely fun scene, imo. Sure, we talk to Kumokogo about it right before, but I feel like that's not something you should just dive into
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@faflec Is this what you're looking for?
[χ] Universal Problem Solving Technique
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[χ] Universal Problem Solving Technique
- Punch everyone who is being dumb in the face
- Due to injuries, it may be more convenient to stick your fist out and tell them to run into it really fast
- Save the world
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- Defuse ticking timebomb that is Goketsu
- Involve Noburi and Akane, sanity check with them
- Speak to everyone one at a time
- Mari
- We know you didn't intentionally provoke Kei. We've also discussed your past at length already.
- Simultaneously, Hazou thinks Kei's position is understandable, if not wholly rational.
- Eventually, you two will need to discuss...many things.
- For now, please be courteous and give her the space she needs.
- If Mari feels like talking about anything, we'll always hear her out. We want to support Mari if she needs it.
- We know you didn't intentionally provoke Kei. We've also discussed your past at length already.
- Kei
- Hazou's expressed his thoughts on the conflict when Kei first mentioned it, but it's worth going over again.
- Hazou's glad that Kei has become more comfortable sharing her feelings. It's absolutely progress.
- Hazou's supportive of Kei's desire for accountability, but doesn't necessarily condone vengeance.
- (Tone: Not patronizing, genuine questions) We've asked before: What's Kei's objective? Make Mari experience similar suffering she inflicted on others? Ensure she is remorseful? What would a world where Kei is satisfied with Mari look like? What would their relationship look like?
- Think on what you want, so it can be discussed from there.
- (Tone: Not patronizing, genuine questions) We've asked before: What's Kei's objective? Make Mari experience similar suffering she inflicted on others? Ensure she is remorseful? What would a world where Kei is satisfied with Mari look like? What would their relationship look like?
- Yuno
- Sorry about banishment. We know that feel.
- We found a new home. We hope it becomes that for you, too. You're our family now.
- However, Hazou is also clan head, and has to operate with everyone in mind.
- We don't want to patronize your beliefs. However, Kei prefers treatment as a peer, not an idol. Can you see her that way?
- We don't harm each other. Mistakes aren't worth hurting someone you love, or someone who's loved by someone you love. Loving someone means helping them move past mistakes, not hurting them for it.
- Sorry about banishment. We know that feel.
- Haru
- Please stop murdering yaks. Asuma noticed, he's not happy. We aren't exactly pleased either.
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And Akane?
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sure whynot
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- Yes.
[X] Hazou becomes the adult in the room, somehow
Could we make it so we talk with people one at a time, and that we sanity-check this plan with Noburi/Akane so we can ensure that it doesn't backfire and make (as an example) Mari want to HeartBreak us?
[X] Hazou becomes the adult in the room, somehow
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[X] Hazou becomes the adult in the room, somehow
[X] Hazou becomes the adult in the room, somehow
Damn, I want to do Dragons, but this is legit more important. We'll be crippled in the short and long term if the Goketsu implode.
Damn, I want to do Dragons, but this is legit more important. We'll be crippled in the short and long term if the Goketsu implode.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
On the matter of Kei's Alertness:
It seems to be consensus that we're getting at least Alertness 39 in the near future, with it unclear whether we can afford to go for Alertness 40. To help resolve this, I made two possible paths involving Alertness 40, one leveling it right after Shadow Clone 40 and one leveling it right before.
Path 4A: Alertness interrupt: Shadow Clone first:
Total XP: 2364
Total BXP: 1302
Efficiency: 1.8157
Path 4B: Alertness interrupt, Alertness first:
Total XP: 2364
Total BXP: 1323
Efficiency: 1.7868
For reference, BXP is short for 'Base XP' and refers to XP gained before Shadow Clone training bonuses, making a rough approximation of time. Low BXP = finishes faster. Efficiency, defined as 'Total XP/Total BXP' is the average multiplier on our Base XP during the path. High Efficiency = high XP rate.
Looking at the above, it should be clear that going SC first is optimal in both BXP and Efficiency, which should not be surprising as Alertness is not a FOOM stat. To proceed further, I will point you to my previous effortpost on the matter for a reference point:
For the sake of brevity, I'll just state the metrics and leave the results spoilered below. Path 1, 'no skips', with Alertness 39 has a BXP of 1144 and an Efficiency ratio of 2.1399. Path 2, 'small skip', with Alertness 39 has a BXP of 1034 and an Efficiency ratio of 2.0135.
My conclusion from this is that Alertness 40 alone costs about as much in terms of BXP than Alertness 32-39 does in total, and significantly more in terms of Efficiency. I can recommend avoiding Alertness 40 unless absolutely necessary, because it is heavily detrimental to Kei's FOOM goals.
edit: It also appears that if Alertness is left at 39, then when Resolve hits 50 it becomes possible to raise Alertness to 40 with only a new 30-stat taking its place. Combined with the greater number of shadow clones, that is the threshold where I would say it becomes acceptable to push for Alertness 40 if Kei does not want to wait all the way for Detour 1.
It seems to be consensus that we're getting at least Alertness 39 in the near future, with it unclear whether we can afford to go for Alertness 40. To help resolve this, I made two possible paths involving Alertness 40, one leveling it right after Shadow Clone 40 and one leveling it right before.
Path 4A: Alertness interrupt: Shadow Clone first:
| Upgrades | Cost | Columns |
| Starting State | N/A | 15-8-5-3-1-1 |
| SC 40 | 355 XP | 15-8-5-2-2-1 |
| CR 30, Intimidation 30, Alertness 40 | 174 + 87 + 324 = 585 XP | 15-8-3-3-3-1 |
| PH 20, Physique 30, Resolve 50 | 155 + 0 + 714 = 869 XP | 15-7-3-3-3-2 |
| Resolve 60 | 555 XP | 15-7-3-3-3-1-1 |
Total BXP: 1302
Efficiency: 1.8157
Breakdown:
208.8235+383.3333+60+434.5+21.25+63.6+64.6154+65.5556=1,301.6778
Peak Chakra:
| Resolve | Duration | Velocity | BXP |
| 33 | 355 XP | 7 blocks (1.7v) | 355/1.7=208.8235 |
| 33 | 174 + 87 + 324 + 34 + 35 + 36 = 690 XP | 8 blocks (1.8v) | 690/1.8=383.3333 |
| 36 | 37 + 38 + 39 = 114 XP | 9 blocks (1.9v) | 114/1.9=60 |
| 39 | 155 + 714 = 869 XP | 10 blocks (2.0v) | 869/2.0=434.5 |
| 50 | 51 XP | 14 blocks (2.4v) | 51/2.4=21.25 |
| 51 | 52 + 53 + 54 = 159 XP | 15 blocks (2.5v) | 159/2.5=63.6 |
| 54 | 55 + 56 + 57 = 168 XP | 16 blocks (2.6v) | 168/2.6=64.6154 |
| 57 | 58 + 59 + 60 = 177 XP | 17 blocks (2.7v) | 177/2.7=65.5556 |
Peak Chakra:
| SC 30 | Resolve 33 | 7 blocks | 7 clones | 2 casts | 475 CP/day |
| SC 40 | Resolve 57 | 17 blocks | 6 clones | 2 casts | 450 CP/day |
Path 4B: Alertness interrupt, Alertness first:
| Upgrades | Cost | Columns |
| Starting State | N/A | 15-8-5-3-1-1 |
| Alertness 40 | 324 XP | 15-8-5-2-2-1 |
| CR 30, Intimidation 30, SC 40 | 174 + 87 + 355 = 616 XP | 15-8-3-3-3-1 |
| PH 20, Physique 30, Resolve 50 | 155 + 0 + 714 = 869 XP | 15-7-3-3-3-2 |
| Resolve 60 | 555 XP | 15-7-3-3-3-1-1 |
Total BXP: 1323
Efficiency: 1.7868
Breakdown:
555.2941+58.3333+60+434.5+21.25+63.6+64.6154+65.5556=1,323.1484
Peak Chakra:
| Resolve | Duration | Velocity | BXP |
| 33 | 324 + 178 + 87 + 355 = 944 XP | 7 blocks (1.7v) | 944/1.7=555.2941 |
| 33 | 34 + 35 + 36 = 105 XP | 8 blocks (1.8v) | 105/1.8=58.3333 |
| 36 | 37 + 38 + 39 = 114 XP | 9 blocks (1.9v) | 114/1.9=60 |
| 39 | 155 + 714 = 869 XP | 10 blocks (2.0v) | 869/2.0=434.5 |
| 50 | 51 XP | 14 blocks (2.4v) | 51/2.4=21.25 |
| 51 | 52 + 53 + 54 = 159 XP | 15 blocks (2.5v) | 159/2.5=63.6 |
| 54 | 55 + 56 + 57 = 168 XP | 16 blocks (2.6v) | 168/2.6=64.6154 |
| 57 | 58 + 59 + 60 = 177 XP | 17 blocks (2.7v) | 177/2.7=65.5556 |
Peak Chakra:
| SC 30 | Resolve 33 | 7 blocks | 7 clones | 2 casts | 475 CP/day |
| SC 40 | Resolve 57 | 17 blocks | 6 clones | 2 casts | 450 CP/day |
Looking at the above, it should be clear that going SC first is optimal in both BXP and Efficiency, which should not be surprising as Alertness is not a FOOM stat. To proceed further, I will point you to my previous effortpost on the matter for a reference point:
The main no-Alertness paths have BXPs of 986 and 877 and Efficiency ratios of 2.1947 and 2.0502. However, this measures the difference between no Alertness and Alertness 40. How does Alertness 39 stand in comparison to the two? Well, we can simply take both no-Alertness paths and add in a burst of Alertness training early on, and see how that changes things.
For the sake of brevity, I'll just state the metrics and leave the results spoilered below. Path 1, 'no skips', with Alertness 39 has a BXP of 1144 and an Efficiency ratio of 2.1399. Path 2, 'small skip', with Alertness 39 has a BXP of 1034 and an Efficiency ratio of 2.0135.
| 'no skips' w/o Alertness | 'small skip' w/o Alertness | 'no skips' + Alertness 39 | 'small skip' + Alertness 39 | Alertness 40, SC first | Alertness 40, SC second | |
| BXP | 986 | 877 | 1144 | 1034 | 1302 | 1323 |
| Efficiency ratio | 2.1947 | 2.0502 | 2.1399 | 2.0135 | 1.8157 | 1.7868 |
My conclusion from this is that Alertness 40 alone costs about as much in terms of BXP than Alertness 32-39 does in total, and significantly more in terms of Efficiency. I can recommend avoiding Alertness 40 unless absolutely necessary, because it is heavily detrimental to Kei's FOOM goals.
edit: It also appears that if Alertness is left at 39, then when Resolve hits 50 it becomes possible to raise Alertness to 40 with only a new 30-stat taking its place. Combined with the greater number of shadow clones, that is the threshold where I would say it becomes acceptable to push for Alertness 40 if Kei does not want to wait all the way for Detour 1.
Path 1 Revised:
Total XP: 2448
Total BXP: 1,144
Efficiency ratio: 2.1399
Path 2 Revised:
Total XP: 2082
Total BXP: 1,034
Efficiency ratio: 2.0135
| Upgrades | Cost | Columns |
| Starting State | N/A | 15-8-5-3-1-1 |
| SC 40 | 355 | 15-8-5-2-2-1 |
| Alertness 39, PH 20, CR 30, Physique 30 | 284 + 155 + 174 + 115 = 444 | 15-7-4-4-2-1 |
| Resolve 40 | 355 | 15-7-4-3-3-1 |
| Resolve 50 | 455 | 15-7-4-3-2-2 |
| Resolve 60 | 555 | 15-7-4-3-2-1-1 |
Total BXP: 1,144
Efficiency ratio: 2.1399
Breakdown:
208.8235+216.1111+60+242+39.5238+60.0+61.3043+62.5+63.6+64.6154+65.5556=1,144.0337
Peak Chakra:
| Resolve | Duration | Velocity | BXP |
| 33 | 355 XP | 7 blocks (1.7v) | 355/1.7=208.8235 |
| 33 | 284 + 34 + 35 + 36 = 389 XP | 8 blocks (1.8v) | 389/1.8=216.1111 |
| 36 | 37 + 38 + 39 = 114 XP | 9 blocks (1.9v) | 114/1.9=60 |
| 39 | 155 + 174 + 115 + 40 = 484 XP | 10 blocks (2.0v) | 484/2.0=242 |
| 40 | 41 + 42 = 83 XP | 11 blocks (2.1v) | 83/2.1=39.5238 |
| 42 | 43 + 44 + 45 = 132 XP | 12 blocks (2.2v) | 132/2.2=60.0 |
| 45 | 46 + 47 + 48 = 141 XP | 13 blocks (2.3v) | 141/2.3=61.3043 |
| 48 | 49 + 50 + 51 = 150 XP | 14 blocks (2.4v) | 150/2.4=62.5 |
| 51 | 52 + 53 + 54 = 159 XP | 15 blocks (2.5v) | 159/2.5=63.6 |
| 54 | 55 + 56 + 57 = 168 XP | 16 blocks (2.6v) | 168/2.6=64.6154 |
| 57 | 58 + 59 + 60 = 177 XP | 17 blocks (2.7v) | 177/2.7=65.5556 |
Peak Chakra:
| SC 30 | Resolve 33 | 7 blocks | 7 clones | 2 casts | 475 CP/day |
| SC 40 | Resolve 57 | 17 blocks | 6 clones | 2 casts | 450 CP/day |
| Upgrades | Cost | Columns |
| Starting State | N/A | 15-8-5-3-1-1 |
| SC 40 | 355 | 15-8-5-2-2-1 |
| Alertness 39, CR 30 | 284 + 174 = 458 | 15-8-4-3-2-1 |
| Resolve 50 | 714 | 15-8-4-2-2-2 |
| Resolve 60 | 555 | 15-8-4-2-2-1-1 |
Total BXP: 1,034
Efficiency ratio: 2.0135
Breakdown:
208.8235+216.1111+60+334.5+21.25+63.6+64.6154+65.5556=1,034.4556
Peak Chakra:
| Resolve | Duration | Velocity | BXP |
| 33 | 355 XP | 7 blocks (1.7v) | 355/1.7=208.8235 |
| 33 | 284 + 34 + 35 + 36 = 389 XP | 8 blocks (1.8v) | 389/1.8=216.1111 |
| 36 | 37 + 38 + 39 = 114 XP | 9 blocks (1.9v) | 114/1.9=60 |
| 39 | 174 + 495 = 669 XP | 10 blocks (2.0v) | 669/2.0=334.5 |
| 50 | 51 XP | 14 blocks (2.4v) | 51/2.4=21.25 |
| 51 | 52 + 53 + 54 = 159 XP | 15 blocks (2.5v) | 159/2.5=63.6 |
| 54 | 55 + 56 + 57 = 168 XP | 16 blocks (2.6v) | 168/2.6=64.6154 |
| 57 | 58 + 59 + 60 = 177 XP | 17 blocks (2.7v) | 177/2.7=65.5556 |
Peak Chakra:
| SC 30 | Resolve 33 | 7 blocks | 7 clones | 2 casts | 475 CP/day |
| SC 40 | Resolve 57 | 17 blocks | 6 clones | 2 casts | 450 CP/day |
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