Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
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- He/They
alright, removed the Mari uplift part.
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- Under a Rock
It is intentionally vague. We were able to glean FOOM from one sentence describing an attack on Naruto. OOC, we did it because we knew the setting. However, the QMs accepted our IC explanation.
Ami is as smart or smarter than Hazou. She has more experience fitting together disconnected bits of information to form a whole. The following is a perfectly reasonable course for her thoughts to take.
Hazou pulled a Hazou. It uses a Leaf secret, not a Gouketsu secret. What secrets do I know that they know? Shadow Clone. How could SC boost power? It is a scouting technique, so it transfers memories. SC can be used for exponential training? Fits Naruto's amazing capabilities. I will come up with 13 other possibilities, and develop tests for them all.
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However, I do greatly prefer this phrasing to the previous phrasing. This is defensibly not treason, so the ANBU who is spying on us won't kill us on the spot.
Our goals are getting the marriage ban lifted, having them retract their statement on gay marriage, and lessening their political power. If destruction of them as a relevant entity is the only way to accomplish that, sure. Otherwise categorically committing to only annihilation a) cuts off our options, b) isn't good for Leaf and will be looked down upon by the Hokage and other, as Keiko (also a wronged party here) said, and c) gives us a reputation we may not want especially as we haven't been in Leaf for more than a year or two and can still be viewed as kind of foreign.
Destroying them is not the goal, it is a potential side effect/method of achieving our real goals.
I understand that this is something you feel very strongly about, but if we can hurt them and lessen their power without ruining the lives of everyone associated with them, we should try and do that.
I like this plan, seems very actionable. I don't particularly have opinions on the SC Ami reveal other than we should aim to not get killed.
My worry is that the clear failure point with Keiko is that we precommitted and then events unfolded in a completely different way. I see the potential for the same thing to happen here. While flowcharts might be a little much, maybe we take a leaf from Mari/Ami's book and affect a manner of speaking where we hint at things and refuse to be clear. Like "shadow clone was pretty impressive when Naruto used it, right? He's pretty strong for being so young, especially when he spent so much time learning politics and economics too."
Not entirely sure how to word that - maybe something along the lines of "acknowledge as much as she guesses?" You're kind of doing it already, but I can see it still locking us into a we-act-stupid-and-lessen-relationship.
Also make sure we have accurate levels of strength on the Hagoromo before we accidentally challenge a senior jonin and two ANBU or something.
That's all the potential pitfalls a quick read spotted.
[x] Action Plan: Consider the Following Resonance Structure
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- The Void
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- She/Her
Agree to disagree
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- He/Him
To clarify, based on earlier discord conversation, the term "destroy" is being used to mean "reduce the political power of the Hagoromo to 0 permanently" whether by us co-opting their political power through puppetry, or what have you.
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- The state of Paranoia
Personally, I want to offer Hinata a sign that the Hyuga and the Gōketsu don't have to be at war with each other the same way the Gōketsu and the Hagoromo do. Admittedly I guess it's possible to extend a peace offering without meeting in person, but I was hoping that more direct communication could prevent escalation back to the way things were before Hiashi died.
We shouldn't want to be in a cold war with the Hyuga. We can get things done so much faster without incidents like this one popping up all the time.
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- Omniverse #1345
So I think we need to make sure that if Ami finds out about FOOM it's because she reasoned it out. Telling her is treason, people. Her figuring it out is not. That it is obvious with a few pieces of information does not affect that.
Play the game. Don't get us in trouble for treason, again, because you were blunt when we needed to be circumspect. This is largely why we keep getting in trouble - we keep doing the blunt action instead of the circumspect one that leads to identical results but dumps "deniability" on our heads by the truck load.
Play the game. Don't get us in trouble for treason, again, because you were blunt when we needed to be circumspect. This is largely why we keep getting in trouble - we keep doing the blunt action instead of the circumspect one that leads to identical results but dumps "deniability" on our heads by the truck load.
Getting them to publicly kneel is better than destroying them, I would say. Sweeter, at least to me.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
"Naruto's rather impressive for his age, isn't he? Sure, he's a jinchuuriki, but even beyond that. He's had to divide his time between learning politics, economics, and several other things, but he still managed to divide his time enough to summon up enough time to train to get so strong for such a young age. Rather impressive, that."
Then follow it up with something dismissive like...
"Still, I suppose being the darling of the Third Hokage and Jiraiya the Great will do that to someone."
(@MMKII, feel free to lift some of these lines if you'd like to. Or don't, of course, these are just some random examples.)
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- The state of Paranoia
I thought we were planning to try and figure out Ami's true plans/motivations before letting her know about FOOM?
I'm also not convinced that accidentally leaking FOOM won't get us in big trouble. It *might* not get us killboxed, but it certainly will mean that we'll never be trusted with an S class secret again, at the very least.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
If I indulge myself on plan wording wrt dialogue tidbits inevitably we'll get a 700 word leviathan that has several extraneous or off-place tidbits.
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- Book Fort
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We know that Ami is aligned to us via Keiko's admission, Keiko's love for Hazou, and Ami's own admission. Maybe there should be a contingency along the lines of "given Ami's response, if Hazou thinks Ami is sufficiently trustworthy, then be indirect about..." Besides, everyone in Leaf knows that the Mori are "weird, discount Nara" so it's not unlikely that they'd believe that Ami learned about SC on her own.
That's fair, x3
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Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
Here is my contribution:
Hazou stands with his back to the sun, pulls out an apple and holds it into his shadow. Then with sleight of hand he pulls out a second, identical one from under the first apple. Then he smashes both apples against his head and gives Ami a thumbs up.
The meaning should be more than obvious.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
AMI: Ah. Bold.
HAZOU: Yes.
AMI: So, when do we move against the good doctor?
HAZOU: Ummmmmmmmm okay so Clear Communication Technique: I think that I have unintentionally...
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
The
Not gonna lie, would love to read that scene and it really wouldn't come across as OOC to me.
Unaligned Player
Agony that desires to meet Extinction
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- Adrift between sanity and madness
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- Shrug
Hazou is aware she knows but goes along with it because it seems to make her happy.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
[jk] Dangerous Dancing
Word count: Doesn't Matter
- Perform a Mist-style interpretive dance (complete with seaweed ribbons, sharkskin robes and eel-tooth jewelry) to tell Ami about the hidden secrets of the Shadow Clone Technique
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I have precious little interest in allowing a pack of theocratic homophobes to save face.
[x] Action Plan: Consider the Following Resonance Structure
- Location
- The Void
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- She/Her
Please explain how destroying an incredibly homophobic organization while intentionally limiting the damage we do and providing for anyone who gets caught in the cross fire makes us the bad guys?