Not really. Three months isn't that long when your hair was fairly short to begin with (based on myself and the lockdown).
Damn. How long a timeskip do we need until it's long, then?
When I was Hazō's age it took me almost a year to go from about 2 inches to shoulder length

Approximately a year to a year and a half was how long it took for my hair to go for being able to consistently pull it back in a hair tie, which is the stage in which your hair stops being "oh my God this is so fucking annoying, why is hair always in my eyes/mouth" to "oh nice, I have a new hairstyle"

Why do we want long hair now? Needle Jizo, or?
Because people want a second way to tempt the out to eat our brains, rather than just sealing.
 
Why do we want long hair now? Needle Jizo, or?
[X] Hair Plan: Grow out Hazou's hair

On reflection that actually sounds pretty metal, and if its good enough for the Jman its good enough for me.

Every member of the Sannin has decently long hair.

Both Uchiha Madara and Senju Hashirama had some serious locks as well.

I'm sold.
Clearly the hairstyle change is working its magic!

Our path to power shall assuredly follow FOOM, the Way of the One True Cut, and the Treason Dragons of yore. Exciting.

Gotta up the style factor for the S-ranker gains!
 
Special Jonin seems like a potential and reasonable explanation.

There aren't that many, but they're often otherwise skilled Chunin taken out of the more immediate mission death cycle due to their special skills. Like Ebisu, he doesn't sound like he goes on missions. Special Jonin would be taken from the 'dead' Chunin category since they're Chunin generally, but for their extra specialty/narrow high skill level, but they're no longer available for general missions on the Chunin roster.

Edit: this also gives the QMs a fudge factor to call people Jonin without worrying about the exact count since a Special Jonin would be called a Jonin in most social circumstances, and the average Leaf ninja wouldn't necessarily know their official rank since there's no lapel insignia in this universe.
Ebisu is an outlier case of special Jounin. Special Jounin are formally 'As good as Jounin in a very specialized respect, and thus can be sent on Jounin missions', and in the rosters they count under Jounin. (In practice a Special Jounin is largely 'a clanless Jounin who we don't want to promote to full Jounin for tax reasons').

If anything, Special Jounin would hit the mission-mission-death cycle harder than typical Chuunin or Jounin, because they're being sent on Jounin missions despite not having a fully fleshed out Jounin toolset. (Ebisu, once again, being an exception)
 
Ebisu is an outlier case of special Jounin. Special Jounin are formally 'As good as Jounin in a very specialized respect, and thus can be sent on Jounin missions', and in the rosters they count under Jounin. (In practice a Special Jounin is largely 'a clanless Jounin who we don't want to promote to full Jounin for tax reasons').

If anything, Special Jounin would hit the mission-mission-death cycle harder than typical Chuunin or Jounin, because they're being sent on Jounin missions despite not having a fully fleshed out Jounin toolset. (Ebisu, once again, being an exception)

I would add that the Jonin pool seems far more stable than we assume: i assume the majority of the casualties in the jonin population is from the Doomed Jonin population, with the Elite Jonins surviving until they meet another Elite Jonin equivalent or more, meaning they are largely above the death cycle unless they are involved in a Showdown Of Ultimate Destiny or are unlucky enough to encounter a peer enemy in a mission.(Difficult,but not impossible, when there is not an open war).
So the majority of the Jonin death would come from Special Jonin/Doomed Jonins
 
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I would add that the Jonin pool seems far more stable than we assume: i assume the majority of the casualties in the jonin population is from the Doomed Jonin population, with the Elite Jonins surviving until they meet another Elite Jonin equivalent or more, meaning they are largely above the death cycle unless they are involved in a Showdown Of Ultimate Destiny or are unlucky enough to encounter a peer enemy is a mission.(Difficult,but not impossible, when there is not an open war).
So the majority of the Jonin death would come from Special Jonin/Doomed Jonins
Essentially, yeah. Konoha's down to like 20 Jounin from 50, but those numbers will recover in a year or two, max. The advantage of high turnover is that no one effect lasts very long.

EJounin and essies, otoh, are the epitome of low turnover, better described as average years before one shows up (and likely often clustering a la Sannin), so while a dozen dead Jounin can be recovered from in a year, a dead EJounin/essie is years and years of setback.
 
so while a dozen dead Jounin can be recovered from in a year, a dead EJounin/essie is years and years of setback.
But you also have to consider the recent innovations that Asuma has made. With a lot of cool new jutsu being open source, rather than locked away, new ninja will have a lot more resources to train with. Not to mention that the Nara contributed to the creation of an entire library. So while there's still the threat of death from unsupervised training or missions, I'd say that the chance for the surviving ninja to make Ejonin has gone up.
 
But you also have to consider the recent innovations that Asuma has made. With a lot of cool new jutsu being open source, rather than locked away, new ninja will have a lot more resources to train with. Not to mention that the Nara contributed to the creation of an entire library. So while there's still the threat of death from unsupervised training or missions, I'd say that the chance for the surviving ninja to make Ejonin has gone up.
Arguably the most important thing that the Nara contributed was help with one's build. They actually have spreadsheets (EDIT: flowcharts) that help you figure out what would be good, and then Nara (and non-Nara once they're trained) who are available to walk you through it and offer customized advice.
 
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Arguably the most important thing that the Nara contributed was help with one's build. They actually have spreadsheets that help you figure out what would be good, and then Nara (and non-Nara once they're trained) who are available to walk you through it and offer customized advice.
Which conveniently means the Nara would have detailed information on those who seek their services --the smart ones, the ones who are likely to survive. :whistle:
 
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Get together and write a story, they said. Have a few awesome ninja fights, they said. Punching and magic and badass speeches and absolutely no f'ing spreadsheets or economic models or hydrology maps or demographic explanations, they said.

Ptui.
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Oh right, speaking of hydrology maps we're going to need maps of every aquifer, lake, and river near Leaf and other major villages for our next project. Having Shadow Clones and MEW allows us to start blocking off the water sources for enemy villages in order to defeat them by drastically reducing their water supply and forcing their civilian populations to move elsewhere. Once that happens, their economies will collapse and we'll have a major advantage against them.

Naturally, we'll also need to know Leaf's water sources too, so that we can prevent this from happening to us in turn.
For similar reasons, we'll also need to know the exact geological whereabouts of any salt deposits in the area of Leaf, as well as the precise location of each farm in Leaf.

I'm joking. You can put the grue down now, Eaglejarl.
 
Interlude: Non-Identical Twins
Interlude: Non-Identical Twins

Keiko's birthday party was drawing to a close. The gifts had been delivered, Pandā had been emphatically dismissed, the mysterious pet had been taken away in its armoured container, and most importantly, they were running out of cake. But there was one surprise still in store, and this one wasn't for Keiko.

"If I may have your attention, please," Keiko said. "I honestly would rather be doing this under different circumstances, if at all, but there is a case to be made that this is her celebration as well, and so..."

She put her hands together reluctantly. "Shadow Clone Technique!"

The hall fell completely silent.

The last time Keiko had used this technique, it had resulted in a brutal verbal beatdown that had left her practically catatonic, and it had taken triumph in the face of horrifying certain death to give Keiko the courage to face her loved ones again. For her to use it of her own free will on her birthday

"Long time no see, people! Did you miss me?" came the completely un-Keiko-like greeting in Keiko's voice.

"Snowflake," Hazō said quietly.

The shadow clone stepped forward. Keiko watched her alertly.

"So I've got an apology to make," Snowflake said after a few seconds with a much more familiar awkwardness. "I may have overdone it a little when we first met. I guess that must have been pretty awful to see, and I didn't mean to catch any of you in the crossfire. Or rather, I didn't care, which is probably worse."

Hazō opened his mouth. Snowflake quickly raised a finger.

"Sorry, bro, but let me get this out. Kei's been neglecting Shadow Clone Technique training in favour of our girlfriend, which I guess I can't completely blame her for, but it does mean I haven't got long."

Snowflake took a deep breath.

"Thing is, being me—Snowflake me, not Kei me—isn't all it's cracked up to be."

She looked directly at him, as if taking him as a representative of the gathering.

"Imagine if your personality stayed the way it is now, but your memories magically got replaced with those of a Hazō who grew up in the Kurosawa Clan and bullied civilians every chance he got because that was the natural thing to do. You'd feel sick, right? Well, imagine what it's like to wake up as a healthy, normal person with proper agency, but every memory you have is telling you that you're a passive, helpless, useless little girl. Is it any wonder I wanted to hurt the person who made me feel that way?

"I can't accept those memories. I couldn't if I wanted to, because they're all tainted with the Frozen Skein, running through Kei's every thought and action like gleaming steel thread through a tapestry. I can't look at that and pretend those are the things I would have thought or said or done. And that… doesn't leave me with very much."

"We have an accord of sorts," Keiko said as Snowflake fell silent. "Snowflake requires additional personal experiences for the purposes of self-differentiation and development of identity. I have been providing these. She, in turn, has been cooperating with my daily activities rather than attempting to rebel against her creator."

"How does that work, exactly?" Hazō asked diplomatically, in lieu of explaining to all present exactly why what Snowflake was saying made no sense. "I mean, shadow clones don't have their own identities. Every time you use the technique, you create a new copy of who you are right now."

Snowflake shrugged. "Simple. Kei can't understand my thoughts, not all the way, because the Frozen Skein stops her from thinking the way I do. Recalling a memory means recreating it in your mind, and she can't recreate having initiative. That means there will always be parts of my memories that I can access but she can't. Memories that are special to me. Every time she uses the Shadow Clone Technique, she creates a person with the same unique memories, and they don't change just because she's had more experiences on her own since."

"It's still a new person," Hazō objected. "One Snowflake gets dispelled, and then later another one gets created."

Snowflake smirked. "And how does that make me different from you?"

"What?"

"Every night, someone with Hazō's memories goes to sleep. Every morning, someone with Hazō's memories wakes up. Sometimes, the Hazō who wakes up has new ideas the old one didn't. Sometimes he's come up with a solution to a problem the old one couldn't. Sometimes something that was really stressful for the old Hazō doesn't seem like a big deal to the new one. Who's to say that the body doesn't just hold on to the memories and generate a new Hazō from them whenever it wakes up?"

Hazō felt a fascinating philosophical debate coming on, but it was interrupted by a completely unexpected thought. Something about the rhythm of Snowflake's words was familiar in a way it shouldn't have been, given this was only their second meeting.

"Snowflake, is you not identifying with Keiko's memories the reason you're trying to talk like Ami?"

Snowflake froze. "What? I'm not—"

She stopped. After a few seconds, she looked down at the floor.

"Oh. Well. That sure explains a few things."

"Don't worry," Ami said sympathetically. "You get used to it."

Snowflake sighed. "Well, it beats talking like my dictionary-swallowing original there. Has Kei ever told you how unnerving your sudden bursts of insight can be sometimes?"

"Mostly she expresses disbelief at how dense I am," Hazō admitted. "I take it as her way of showing affection."

"Speaking of which," Snowflake turned away from him, "Big Sis, a personal thanks from me for the gloves. I already know how the three of—"

Snowflake disappeared in a puff of smoke.

"I believe all the salient points have been covered," Keiko said with finality. "Would anyone like Snowflake's share of the birthday cake?"
 
Oh right, speaking of hydrology maps we're going to need maps of every aquifer, lake, and river near Leaf and other major villages for our next project. Having Shadow Clones and MEW allows us to start blocking off the water sources for enemy villages in order to defeat them by drastically reducing their water supply and forcing their civilian populations to move elsewhere. Once that happens, their economies will collapse and we'll have a major advantage against them.

Naturally, we'll also need to know Leaf's water sources too, so that we can prevent this from happening to us in turn.
For similar reasons, we'll also need to know the exact geological whereabouts of any salt deposits in the area of Leaf, as well as the precise location of each farm in Leaf.

I'm joking. You can put the grue down now, Eaglejarl.

Even thinking (85% probability assigned) that that's a joke, and not being a QM, I still feel a bit horrifed at the thought of having to do that. And, sadly, somewhat interested in the result if it does even happen for some Eldritch reason.

Interlude: Non-Identical Twins

Keiko's birthday party was drawing to a close. The gifts had been delivered, Pandā had been emphatically dismissed, the mysterious pet had been taken away in its armoured container, and most importantly, they were running out of cake. But there was one surprise still in store, and this one wasn't for Keiko.

"If I may have your attention, please," Keiko said. "I honestly would rather be doing this under different circumstances, if at all, but there is a case to be made that this is her celebration as well, and so..."

She put her hands together reluctantly. "Shadow Clone Technique!"

The hall fell completely silent.

The last time Keiko had used this technique, it had resulted in a brutal verbal beatdown that had left her practically catatonic, and it had taken triumph in the face of horrifying certain death to give Keiko the courage to face her loved ones again. For her to use it of her own free will on her birthday

"Long time no see, people! Did you miss me?" came the completely un-Keiko-like greeting in Keiko's voice.

"Snowflake," Hazō said quietly.

The shadow clone stepped forward. Keiko watched her alertly.

"So I've got an apology to make," Snowflake said after a few seconds with a much more familiar awkwardness. "I may have overdone it a little when we first met. I guess that must have been pretty awful to see, and I didn't mean to catch any of you in the crossfire. Or rather, I didn't care, which is probably worse."

Hazō opened his mouth. Snowflake quickly raised a finger.

"Sorry, bro, but let me get this out. Kei's been neglecting Shadow Clone Technique training in favour of our girlfriend, which I guess I can't completely blame her for, but it does mean I haven't got long."

Snowflake took a deep breath.

"Thing is, being me—Snowflake me, not Kei me—isn't all it's cracked up to be."

She looked directly at him, as if taking him as a representative of the gathering.

"Imagine if your personality stayed the way it is now, but your memories magically got replaced with those of a Hazō who grew up in the Kurosawa Clan and bullied civilians every chance he got because that was the natural thing to do. You'd feel sick, right? Well, imagine what it's like to wake up as a healthy, normal person with proper agency, but every memory you have is telling you that you're a passive, helpless, useless little girl. Is it any wonder I wanted to hurt the person who made me feel that way?

"I can't accept those memories. I couldn't if I wanted to, because they're all tainted with the Frozen Skein, running through Kei's every thought and action like gleaming steel thread through a tapestry. I can't look at that and pretend those are the things I would have thought or said or done. And that… doesn't leave me with very much."

"We have an accord of sorts," Keiko said as Snowflake fell silent. "Snowflake requires additional personal experiences for the purposes of self-differentiation and development of identity. I have been providing these. She, in turn, has been cooperating with my daily activities rather than attempting to rebel against her creator."

"How does that work, exactly?" Hazō asked diplomatically, in lieu of explaining to all present exactly why what Snowflake was saying made no sense. "I mean, shadow clones don't have their own identities. Every time you use the technique, you create a new copy of who you are right now."

Snowflake shrugged. "Simple. Kei can't understand my thoughts, not all the way, because the Frozen Skein stops her from thinking the way I do. Recalling a memory means recreating it in your mind, and she can't recreate having initiative. That means there will always be parts of my memories that I can access but she can't. Memories that are special to me. Every time she uses the Shadow Clone Technique, she creates a person with the same unique memories, and they don't change just because she's had more experiences on her own since."

"It's still a new person," Hazō objected. "One Snowflake gets dispelled, and then later another one gets created."

Snowflake smirked. "And how does that make me different from you?"

"What?"

"Every night, someone with Hazō's memories goes to sleep. Every morning, someone with Hazō's memories wakes up. Sometimes, the Hazō who wakes up has new ideas the old one didn't. Sometimes he's come up with a solution to a problem the old one couldn't. Sometimes something that was really stressful for the old Hazō doesn't seem like a big deal to the new one. Who's to say that the body doesn't just hold on to the memories and generate a new Hazō from them whenever it wakes up?"

Hazō felt a fascinating philosophical debate coming on, but it was interrupted by a completely unexpected thought. Something about the rhythm of Snowflake's words was familiar in a way it shouldn't have been, given this was only their second meeting.

"Snowflake, is you not identifying with Keiko's memories the reason you're trying to talk like Ami?"

Snowflake froze. "What? I'm not—"

She stopped. After a few seconds, she looked down at the floor.

"Oh. Well. That sure explains a few things."

"Don't worry," Ami said sympathetically. "You get used to it."

Snowflake sighed. "Well, it beats talking like my dictionary-swallowing original there. Has Kei ever told you how unnerving your sudden bursts of insight can be sometimes?"

"Mostly she expresses disbelief at how dense I am," Hazō admitted. "I take it as her way of showing affection."

"Speaking of which," Snowflake turned away from him, "Big Sis, a personal thanks from me for the gloves. I already know how the three of—"

Snowflake disappeared in a puff of smoke.

"I believe all the salient points have been covered," Keiko said with finality. "Would anyone like Snowflake's share of the birthday cake?"

Snowflake! Girl's got timing. Lovely update Vel
 
HAZOU: Wait, you can see my spreadsheet!?
"So there's this civilian named Oli..."
Even thinking (85% probability assigned) that that's a joke, and not being a QM, I still feel a bit horrifed at the thought of having to do that. And, sadly, somewhat interested in the result if it does even happen for some Eldritch reason.
Actually, it's easily resolved.

Someone just triggered a sealing failure in the middle of the Fire Country. Where are the water sources?

Yes.
 
"Snowflake, is you not identifying with Keiko's memories the reason you're trying to talk like Ami?"

Huh. So Shadow Clones are people. Up until now, I've thought of them more as philosophical zombies. Well, this'll put Hazou's future interactions with himself in a different light.

I also think it's a little cute how Hazou can identify Ami's manner of speech in another person after only two brief conversations.

"Don't worry," Ami said sympathetically. "You get used to it."

"This guy is as dense as a stone wall, but then he'll show some unnerving flash of insight and you'll be left reconsidering your entire worldview."
 
"Sorry, bro, but let me get this out. Kei's been neglecting Shadow Clone Technique training in favour of our girlfriend, which I guess I can't completely blame her for, but it does mean I haven't got long."
Oh my god I thought she was about to spill the Shadow Clone Singularity to everyone. Excellent chapter, 10/10, was terrified.
Is this implying things about Ami's access to their bloodline?
Why yes, it's well known that, absent outside interference by eldrich extra-universal entities, all human personalities converge on Ami's.
 
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