Clarify the price.
Also, don't forget we have less than a day to make an action plan.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Clarify the price.
Also, don't forget we have less than a day to make an action plan.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
We turn 15 in about four months, so it might not be there in six!
Expand on why we want underground spaces.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I don't know if this is supposed to be obvious, but which details did he decide not to share? The "love interest" related stuff? Or something else/more?
To everyone else, do you think that it might be wise to reveal ourselves to Hazou before he deduces us himself? It matters because we are, in fact, not caused by his attempt to read the scroll and didn't (directly) cause his insight into hyper-reality or his voyages among the Orochimaru timelines. But we are a source of his poor judgments, as well as his great ones. And we have not only guided him since Hidden Swamp, we have designed his very bloodline. Of course just how far reaching our control of him has been doesn't need to be explained. We could stick to the useful parts of what we did, like split-second plan making and such. And take responsibility for a few successes and the latest blunder. And swear that, if there is indeed a second being from the Out attached to him since the Summoning Scroll incident, we are willing to do our best to make sure he does not get taken over by anything malevolent.
What do you guys think?
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- Liverpool
I'm two pages of posts behind, so I'm sorry if it's a repeat, but
this is quite relevant and distinct relative to the recent discussion of Hazou's (and the Hivemind's) agency.
Though, the fact that he's had instantaneous insight flashes long before the Outcident should mildly help keep us from being exposed. Though plot twist: We're the BBEG would be quite funny.
this is quite relevant and distinct relative to the recent discussion of Hazou's (and the Hivemind's) agency.
Though, the fact that he's had instantaneous insight flashes long before the Outcident should mildly help keep us from being exposed. Though plot twist: We're the BBEG would be quite funny.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I don't expect this to be necessary at all, for the most part.
Current state: Hazou will sometimes not do things the Hivemind asks of him because he doesn't like them.
Possible future state: Hazou will sometimes not do things the Hivemind asks of him because he doesn't like them, and also demons.
This is putting aside many tangential concerns along the lines of "Player character realizing he is being compelled by players to do things is just way too meta and is usually pretty lame." that I don't think this is much of a problem (any moreso than him having his own agency is anyway).
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
My opinion, in short, is that I do not believe the Hivemind is a real IC existence. I don't know if it's been definitive, but the QMs have certainly given off strong impressions that the fourth wall is real and intact, and that our plans aren't an Out-entity reaching into Hazou's mind but merely the foibles and disparate thoughts of his own mind.
[Epistemic status: a little tired and cranky from a long week, and mildly irritated this is even a question]
(Furthermore, if Hazou disovers an Out-entity manipulating his thoughts right when he starts really worrying about them, well, what do you think he's gonna do? Nothing says Out-entites have to tell the truth, and claiming to predate the Scroll incident is exactly what an Out-entity might do to avoid scrutiny)
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- Why would this be required?
I like the idea of building up the estate. I would argue actual, more permanent housing on the compound and reinforced defences are more important than a school house but I do think the school house itself is a good once things are relatively stable which should be around now I hope.
A few suggestions to the thread while we're still building up and taking this chance to get what we need from the MC.
1) Back in Mist Hazo suggested and started on the beginning of his own information circle seperate from Jiraiya's contacts/merchant trades and other groups that we act as a patron towards. How is that looking at the moment and can we use what we're doing in Leaf to improve it or vice versa?
2) look into building a support structure of sorts. The only people we can 100% rely on at all is our clanmates. That said a few outsiders have been proving themselves to be competent and reliable throughout the relief efforts. We have a couple older ninja who have been doing well, what can we do to involve them more while keeping them out of inner clan stuff?
Also we've wanted a secretary for a while, I'm sure there had to have been some younger civilians who have stood out throughout this ordeal. Ideally one trustworthy civilian for non-secret work would be great, maybe we even strike gold and find a few individuals worth looking into and start training them in that type of work, extra book keepers and secretaries, etc for the paperwork stuff managed by Hazo and Mari.
3) on a personal note, it never hurts to start the irregular training as the days go by. We could start by wearing heavy weights in our robes, do what Mori suggested and have "social sparring" with Mari, maybe figure out tricks to keep Hazo calm and collected. I don't see Hazo being the type to enjoy meditation but maybe practicing calligraphy in more artistic ways or getting started on that book on sealing. I could definitely see him enjoying doing those things.
These are just some ideas on stuff we can get started on immediately.
A few suggestions to the thread while we're still building up and taking this chance to get what we need from the MC.
1) Back in Mist Hazo suggested and started on the beginning of his own information circle seperate from Jiraiya's contacts/merchant trades and other groups that we act as a patron towards. How is that looking at the moment and can we use what we're doing in Leaf to improve it or vice versa?
2) look into building a support structure of sorts. The only people we can 100% rely on at all is our clanmates. That said a few outsiders have been proving themselves to be competent and reliable throughout the relief efforts. We have a couple older ninja who have been doing well, what can we do to involve them more while keeping them out of inner clan stuff?
Also we've wanted a secretary for a while, I'm sure there had to have been some younger civilians who have stood out throughout this ordeal. Ideally one trustworthy civilian for non-secret work would be great, maybe we even strike gold and find a few individuals worth looking into and start training them in that type of work, extra book keepers and secretaries, etc for the paperwork stuff managed by Hazo and Mari.
3) on a personal note, it never hurts to start the irregular training as the days go by. We could start by wearing heavy weights in our robes, do what Mori suggested and have "social sparring" with Mari, maybe figure out tricks to keep Hazo calm and collected. I don't see Hazo being the type to enjoy meditation but maybe practicing calligraphy in more artistic ways or getting started on that book on sealing. I could definitely see him enjoying doing those things.
These are just some ideas on stuff we can get started on immediately.
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- Somewhere over the rainbow
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Maybe under Recruitment?
Definitely under recruitment, but maybe could use clearer wording.
IN-less Calligraphy training, done.
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- United States of America
It's great to see Hazou and Ami interacting as peers. All those high-stakes social encounters we've been stumbling through have really started to pay off.
Also, super heartwarming to see how the Keiko-Hazou-Ami relationship has developed.
Fantastic update.
[x] thank Keiko for being best!sister. We don't actually give her positive feedback unprompted very much.
Also, super heartwarming to see how the Keiko-Hazou-Ami relationship has developed.
Fantastic update.
[x] thank Keiko for being best!sister. We don't actually give her positive feedback unprompted very much.
We should not do early chakra usage without approval from Tsunade.
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I like the plan, for the most part it has my support. The only thing I'm hesitant on is the ninja track training. Not necessarily the idea itself, (after all it's a known fact clan train/tutor their own kids even really early, this would just be more open) but I'm not sure what the repercussions would be if people found out we were trying what would be considered radical like earlier chakra manipulation training.
Then again I would be ok with it if we bring this specific subject up with Mari and see if now is a good time to try it or if it it's too hot of an issue to do without the tower's blessing. Maybe Akane too to get the perspective of a born and raised leafnin who went through its academy.
I'll vote for it but I ask that we do this.
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[X] Good Mourning Major Clans
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- Why would this be required?
I assumed public, we can afford it, Kagome wants to, and most civilians likely wouldn't have much money to afford it.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
We need to do something about Kagome. He's all but chained to a desk, slaving away to make seals. That's his worst nightmare, his greatest fear. He might be willing to do it because --as the gruff guy once said -- "of family," but that doesn't mean that we should take advantage of his kindness. Maybe we can take over writing seals a little bit? Or... what about Kagome's students? He's been teaching a few people sealing, right? Let's put them to work, to lighten Kagome's load.
[x] lighten Kagome's load by outsourcing some of the sealing work to ourselves or his students
I find myself shipping it all the more. I wonder if Ami has it within her to cede the amount of control requisite for love to bloom? Or mutual affection built upon respect. Whether or not she feels anything for Hazou, control seems to be something that Ami must have. I wonder if there's any way for us to help her? Hazou isn't indifferent to her, and if nothing else, there's a bond through Keiko to consider.
He's seeing Ami for how she is, the truth of her --for whatever that might mean, or for whatever she's allowing him to see. She needs a friend... For the very same reasons that she said she doesn't miss Mist.
Ami's flat out telling Hazou that if she cared for someone, she'd do things that couldn't be traced back to her? I can't tell if that's a moment of rare thoughtlessness, a well-considered admission of truth to have Hazou wondering if his luck ties back to Ami, or if it's an unsubtle reminder of her prowess and that Hazou would be better served to have her as an ally, rather than an enemy?
Also, I love that Keiko's exceeded Ami's expectations for her. Keiko has grown, matured, and bloomed far beyond what Ami thought her capable of --she's grown beyond the shell that her sister feared she would remain. I like this. I like that we have concrete proof that we're good for Keiko and that Keiko's better for our interactions with her. I like that someone --who knew Keiko before we did --can practically chart the astronomical growth that she's gone through. Yes. I like this. Thank you.
She needs therapy... we all need therapy. But barring that, maybe she could use a friend?
You know, if Keiko's given enough time to truly, wholly trust Ami in the way that siblings should, and if we allow for time enough for Hazou to and Ami to grow comfortable with each other (whatever the amount of years that the mods/writers feel comfortable with), I could see them forming a relationship --or a close friendship, at least.
I wonder if that was Ami's plan from the start. I wonder if she saw Hazou, saw his personality and his familial dynamic with Keiko and thought "well, there's a person with a compatible personality and perspective. Let's test the waters and see if he'd make a tolerabletool pawn friend." Though, if Ami really sees her life in such an objective manner and genuinely thinks that far ahead, then poor Hazou never had a chance.
I add my vote to this (is that how this works?). Keiko is a treasured family member and Hazou has expressed worry about her self esteem issues before. Furthermore, her suggestion helped him significantly. It'd be in line with his character to thank her for her help, reassure her that Ami doesn't hate her (see: "she's taken what she thought was an enormous risk"). We'd have to make sure that Keiko doesn't dodge or dismiss her own contributions. Keiko deserves to know how much Hazou cares about her. She's... a little insecure.
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Also: do we have the money to keep running all these things for free? I love the ideas, but what's the status of our clan's coffers right now?
[x] lighten Kagome's load by outsourcing some of the sealing work to ourselves or his students
I find myself shipping it all the more. I wonder if Ami has it within her to cede the amount of control requisite for love to bloom? Or mutual affection built upon respect. Whether or not she feels anything for Hazou, control seems to be something that Ami must have. I wonder if there's any way for us to help her? Hazou isn't indifferent to her, and if nothing else, there's a bond through Keiko to consider.
He's seeing Ami for how she is, the truth of her --for whatever that might mean, or for whatever she's allowing him to see. She needs a friend... For the very same reasons that she said she doesn't miss Mist.
Ami's flat out telling Hazou that if she cared for someone, she'd do things that couldn't be traced back to her? I can't tell if that's a moment of rare thoughtlessness, a well-considered admission of truth to have Hazou wondering if his luck ties back to Ami, or if it's an unsubtle reminder of her prowess and that Hazou would be better served to have her as an ally, rather than an enemy?
Also, I love that Keiko's exceeded Ami's expectations for her. Keiko has grown, matured, and bloomed far beyond what Ami thought her capable of --she's grown beyond the shell that her sister feared she would remain. I like this. I like that we have concrete proof that we're good for Keiko and that Keiko's better for our interactions with her. I like that someone --who knew Keiko before we did --can practically chart the astronomical growth that she's gone through. Yes. I like this. Thank you.
She needs therapy... we all need therapy. But barring that, maybe she could use a friend?
You know, if Keiko's given enough time to truly, wholly trust Ami in the way that siblings should, and if we allow for time enough for Hazou to and Ami to grow comfortable with each other (whatever the amount of years that the mods/writers feel comfortable with), I could see them forming a relationship --or a close friendship, at least.
I wonder if that was Ami's plan from the start. I wonder if she saw Hazou, saw his personality and his familial dynamic with Keiko and thought "well, there's a person with a compatible personality and perspective. Let's test the waters and see if he'd make a tolerable
I add my vote to this (is that how this works?). Keiko is a treasured family member and Hazou has expressed worry about her self esteem issues before. Furthermore, her suggestion helped him significantly. It'd be in line with his character to thank her for her help, reassure her that Ami doesn't hate her (see: "she's taken what she thought was an enormous risk"). We'd have to make sure that Keiko doesn't dodge or dismiss her own contributions. Keiko deserves to know how much Hazou cares about her. She's... a little insecure.
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Also: do we have the money to keep running all these things for free? I love the ideas, but what's the status of our clan's coffers right now?
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Having Tsunade's approval would definitely give us a lot of credibility.
Copied some ideas.
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So my big takeaway from this is that we should have used our favor with Ami to have her get us a telescope. 
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- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
So my big takeaway from this is that we should have used our favor with Ami to have her get us a telescope.
Let's keep that in mind if we want Ami dead because the universe will conspire against Hazo ever acquiring a telescope.
Hence we can weaponize it.
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- The state of Paranoia
[] Good Mourning Major Clans
Merchant network work? Count me in!
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Whoops, sorry. Just noticed that it has teaching students early chakra usage without asking for Taunade's permission.
I'll revote for it if we ask her.
Merchant network work? Count me in!
Edit:
Whoops, sorry. Just noticed that it has teaching students early chakra usage without asking for Taunade's permission.
I'll revote for it if we ask her.
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- Yes.
It's still in the preliminary stages, but I wanted to get something out sooner rather than later. Can still add more ideas if needed.
[X] Action Plan: Deja Vu
Word Count: 252
Clear everything with the clan first.
[X] Action Plan: Deja Vu
Word Count: 252
Clear everything with the clan first.
- Keep up estate development. Expand, fortify, and improve the living conditions; improve morale...
- Ask Keiko if her Pangolins can help with construction.
- Go mourn with fellow clan kids/heads.
- Hazou's usually been good about handling mournings, and he owes them a visit anyway.
- Do what we've always done with mourning. It's worked out pretty well.
- Ask what we can do to support each other.
- Try to get some time in with everybody, but the priority list:
- Yamanaka/Nara
- Hyuuga/Akimichi
- Hagoromo/Amori/Kyosho/Aburame
- Ask Mari to arrange for Kagome to work from home. He's really stressed about the 'sweatshop', and stressed sealmasters lead to sealing failures (!!!).
- Hazou's willing to chip in with scribing if Kagome approves, or he can offer Gouketsu resources as compensation/collateral.
- Have dinner with Snake. Let Mari take the lead on cultivating her as a resource.
- We want to make Snake a well-placed, loyal asset and possible adoption target.
- Start a 'school'.
- Take a walk around camp, talk to the ninjas & skilled civilians and ask if they're willing to teach. Ask for names of teachers inside Leaf who'd be interested, as well.
- Establish some basic classes in both general skills (math, reading, writing...) and ninja training (taijutsu, weapons, tactics...).
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- Put Ami's suggestions to practice:
- Carry around a journal to note your feeling and emotions.
- Practice daily with Mari on genjustu.
- Investigate Jiraiya's Leaf safehouses with Akane/Kagome. Consider visiting stashes near Leaf as well.
- Make preparations for the MC-approved businesses.
- Put Ami's suggestions to practice:
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- The Void
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- She/Her
@faflec @huhYeahGoodPoint @Kiba just a reminder that we do have a dinner with Snake scheduled so should probably have some plan space dedicated to that to help bring her into the fold