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I feel like the reason we're so often on the back foot is that we're often playing games far above our power level. People like Mari, Hana, Ami, Jiraiya, you name it; we don't play little leagues, and it tells.[X] Player Question: How can we get Hazou to start holding his own conversations like this?
It's really unclear what we, as players, can do to get to the point where Hazou isn't constantly on the back foot in this sort of conversation.
This even happens with Keiko, Noburi, Downfall, and others in our peer group. We end up passively listening to the other party, making a few flummoxed noises until the interaction ends, with our responses only arriving in later plans.
Presumably part of getting Hazou to the point where he isn't just a confused wallflower is XP in socials. But you all have said that plans and characterization also feed into how proactive/centered Hazou can be.
Issue is that these conversations are basically impossible to predict. There are so many things that could happen we just can't make plans which cover enough of the possibilities to be useful. We just don't have the time to write a thesis twice a week, and it's gets even worse with the word limits.
So characterization seems to change through practice and success. The more Hazou successfully deals with some situation in a plan, the better he gets at dealing with similar situations when outside of player control. Which, given that plans can't really deal with this sort of high bandwidth communication, leaves with a bit of a chicken and egg problem.
Basically, I want Hazou to be less of a doormat and don't see what us players can do to shift Hazou in that direction.
We're making good progress with opsec, by writing better plans and making fewer mistakes. I just don't see how that same sort of thing is feasible if we want Hazou to grow a spine.
When we do play little leagues it's more hit and miss. With Ikeda, we totally handled that perfectly, and that to me is a combination of Ikeda not being a social-spec and Hazou knowing what he wants out of the conversation. The trouble comes in the fact that we're more often socially proactive with people who just outclass us socially (we don't play little leagues) and our peers still initiate against us as normal, which puts us on the back foot there.
The simple solution is to go play little leagues more to build confidence in our social skills before getting them dashed again. The hard solution is to git gud at socials until we can dance the dance with the likes of Ami and come out intact, which is going to take years of IC emotional and intellectual development (along with the accumulation of experience and perspective) and sizeable investments in our social stats to represent dedicated effort in being able to play these games.
Our current situation may not be palatable, but it's what we chose because we've got ambition up the wazoo and can't just sit still until we're awesome Jounin in our own right.