[X] Player Question: How can we get Hazou to start holding his own conversations like this?

It's really unclear what we, as players, can do to get to the point where Hazou isn't constantly on the back foot in this sort of conversation.

This even happens with Keiko, Noburi, Downfall, and others in our peer group. We end up passively listening to the other party, making a few flummoxed noises until the interaction ends, with our responses only arriving in later plans.

Presumably part of getting Hazou to the point where he isn't just a confused wallflower is XP in socials. But you all have said that plans and characterization also feed into how proactive/centered Hazou can be.

Issue is that these conversations are basically impossible to predict. There are so many things that could happen we just can't make plans which cover enough of the possibilities to be useful. We just don't have the time to write a thesis twice a week, and it's gets even worse with the word limits.

So characterization seems to change through practice and success. The more Hazou successfully deals with some situation in a plan, the better he gets at dealing with similar situations when outside of player control. Which, given that plans can't really deal with this sort of high bandwidth communication, leaves with a bit of a chicken and egg problem.

Basically, I want Hazou to be less of a doormat and don't see what us players can do to shift Hazou in that direction.

We're making good progress with opsec, by writing better plans and making fewer mistakes. I just don't see how that same sort of thing is feasible if we want Hazou to grow a spine.
I feel like the reason we're so often on the back foot is that we're often playing games far above our power level. People like Mari, Hana, Ami, Jiraiya, you name it; we don't play little leagues, and it tells.

When we do play little leagues it's more hit and miss. With Ikeda, we totally handled that perfectly, and that to me is a combination of Ikeda not being a social-spec and Hazou knowing what he wants out of the conversation. The trouble comes in the fact that we're more often socially proactive with people who just outclass us socially (we don't play little leagues) and our peers still initiate against us as normal, which puts us on the back foot there.

The simple solution is to go play little leagues more to build confidence in our social skills before getting them dashed again. The hard solution is to git gud at socials until we can dance the dance with the likes of Ami and come out intact, which is going to take years of IC emotional and intellectual development (along with the accumulation of experience and perspective) and sizeable investments in our social stats to represent dedicated effort in being able to play these games.

Our current situation may not be palatable, but it's what we chose because we've got ambition up the wazoo and can't just sit still until we're awesome Jounin in our own right.
 
I feel like the reason we're so often on the back foot is that we're often playing games far above our power level. People like Mari, Hana, Ami, Jiraiya, you name it; we don't play little leagues, and it tells.

When we do play little leagues it's more hit and miss. With Ikeda, we totally handled that perfectly, and that to me is a combination of Ikeda not being a social-spec and Hazou knowing what he wants out of the conversation. The trouble comes in the fact that we're more often socially proactive with people who just outclass us socially (we don't play little leagues) and our peers still initiate against us as normal, which puts us on the back foot there.

The simple solution is to go play little leagues more to build confidence in our social skills before getting them dashed again. The hard solution is to git gud at socials until we can dance the dance with the likes of Ami and come out intact, which is going to take years of IC emotional and intellectual development (along with the accumulation of experience and perspective) and sizeable investments in our social stats to represent dedicated effort in being able to play these games.

Our current situation may not be palatable, but it's what we chose because we've got ambition up the wazoo and can't just sit still until we're awesome Jounin in our own right.
I feel like the even more fundamental reason we're on the back foot is that this is a forum game and it's hard to arrange for us to give feedback in the middle of conversations in ways that don't dramatically slow the game down.

We might try putting strategies for handling the unexpected or questions we don't want to answer in our plans. I attempted it with my suggestion for the Ami conversation. I don't know how well it will work, it probably falls ultimately to QM writing and imagination. I don't know if there's anything we can direct Hazou to do differently that will help, but like @Jello_Raptor I would be extremely interested to hear that from the QMs.
 
The entire conversation itself proved how much Hazou is outmatched by jonin in social fields (without them even trying that hard), even when ignoring her actual words.

Right, but we didn't need a conversation to figure that out. This was always going to be the case on paper and likely in reality.

I feel like the reason we're so often on the back foot is that we're often playing games far above our power level. People like Mari, Hana, Ami, Jiraiya, you name it; we don't play little leagues, and it tells.

When we do play little leagues it's more hit and miss. With Ikeda, we totally handled that perfectly, and that to me is a combination of Ikeda not being a social-spec and Hazou knowing what he wants out of the conversation. The trouble comes in the fact that we're more often socially proactive with people who just outclass us socially (we don't play little leagues) and our peers still initiate against us as normal, which puts us on the back foot there.

The simple solution is to go play little leagues more to build confidence in our social skills before getting them dashed again. The hard solution is to git gud at socials until we can dance the dance with the likes of Ami and come out intact, which is going to take years of IC emotional and intellectual development (along with the accumulation of experience and perspective) and sizeable investments in our social stats to represent dedicated effort in being able to play these games.

Our current situation may not be palatable, but it's what we chose because we've got ambition up the wazoo and can't just sit still until we're awesome Jounin in our own right.

I mean, I recall the "Shin and Hazou have a back-alley posturing contest." thing that happened after the 5th Event, which was pretty awkward.

SHIN: Congratulations!

HAZOU: ... I'm sorry?

SHIN: Its great that you managed to get Nara's brains, the Hokage's seals and the Pangolins to do all the hard work.

HAZOU: What do you mean Nara's brains?

SHIN: Oh come off it.

HAZOU: Whatever. We still won.

SHIN: Yeah you did real good. Knew I was right to let you keep that word half!

HAZOU: GASP, I knew it was you!

SHIN: Obviously. Anyways, guess we'll lose like Kurohige.

SHIN: *drives off into the distance on his social-spec motorcycle*

SHIN: Smell ya later Hazou!!
 
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Right, but we didn't need a conversation to figure that out. This was always going to be the case on paper and likely in reality.



I mean, I recall the "Shin and Hazou have a back-alley posturing contest." thing that happened after the 5th Event, which was pretty awkward.

SHIN: Congratulations!

HAZOU: ... I'm sorry?

SHIN: Its great that you managed to get Nara's brains, the Hokage's seals and the Pangolins to do all the hard work.

HAZOU: What do you mean Nara's brains?

SHIN: Oh come off it.

HAZOU: Whatever. We still won.

SHIN: Yeah you did real good. Knew I was right to let you keep that word half!

HAZOU: GASP, I knew it was you!

SHIN: Obviously. Anyways, guess we'll lose like Kurohige.

SHIN: *drives off into the distance on his social-spec motorcycle*

SHIN: Smell ya later Hazou!!
That was also while Shin was suffering a severe mental consequence.
 
Right, but we didn't need a conversation to figure that out. This was always going to be the case on paper and likely in reality.



I mean, I recall the "Shin and Hazou have a back-alley posturing contest." thing that happened after the 5th Event, which was pretty awkward.

SHIN: Congratulations!

HAZOU: ... I'm sorry?

SHIN: Its great that you managed to get Nara's brains, the Hokage's seals and the Pangolins to do all the hard work.

HAZOU: What do you mean Nara's brains?

SHIN: Oh come off it.

HAZOU: Whatever. We still won.

SHIN: Yeah you did real good. Knew I was right to let you keep that word half!

HAZOU: GASP, I knew it was you!

SHIN: Obviously. Anyways, guess we'll lose like Kurohige.

SHIN: *drives off into the distance on his social-spec motorcycle*

SHIN: Smell ya later Hazou!!
Right, and we were on the back foot there because Shin popped out of nowhere and we were forced to figure out what the heck he was going on about.

You do have a point though, that we could've been more composed through that and quicker to figure things out. I guess that's the 'more emotional and intellectual maturity' thing I mentioned, which brings us back to gaining experience, perspective, and age.
 
Right, but we didn't need a conversation to figure that out. This was always going to be the case on paper and likely in reality.
I mean that in a way that's a.... visceral presentation of what it means. Or not really what it means- she didn't try that hard.

It's a reminder of what they can do to us.
Hana? Perfectly capable of breaking a person mentally(yes, Mari had problems already, but even so).
Ren is in the same league as Hana, if not higher.
 
You do have a point though, that we could've been more composed through that and quicker to figure things out. I guess that's the 'more emotional and intellectual maturity' thing I mentioned, which brings us back to gaining experience, perspective, and age.

Here's some IC things I think we can do to make this and future situations less awkward and off balance.
  • Practice snappy insults with Noburi (and Kiba and Shino?).
    • Being able to quickly and coherently phrase witty dialogue is important.
  • Practice generally being unperturbed in such situations.
    • Mari pls halp
  • Read some books scrub. Talk shop with Shikamaru and Keiko about complicated intellectual topics with complicated big words.
  • Learn how to project a wide range of mental states and emotions.
    • Go practice acting with a theatre troupe.
  • Get that Iron Nerve socials bullshit.
    • Hana. Come on, now. :V
  • Practice not getting insta-spooked by peoples Spooky Auras.
    • Keiko/Jiraiya/Mari?
 
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Here's some IC things I think we can do to make this and future situations less awkward and off balance.
  • Practice snappy insults with Noburi (and Kiba and Shino?).
    • Being able to quickly and coherently phrase witty dialogue is important.
  • Practice generally being unperturbed in such situations.
    • Mari pls halp
  • Read some books scrub. Talk shop with Shikamaru and Keiko about complicated intellectual topics with complicated big words.
  • Learn how to project a wide range of mental states and emotions.
    • Go practice acting with a theatre troupe.
  • Get that Iron Nerve socials bullshit.
    • Hana. Come on, now. :V
  • Practice not getting insta-spooked by peoples Spooky Auras.
    • Keiko/Jiraiya/Mari?
We also need practice in how to be honest or non-committal or to lie, and when to do each of those things in difficult situations with lots of factors to consider. With lying in particular we could use some training in how to figure out what lie to tell, so we don't repeat slight mistakes like the false information Kurosawa clan technique having political implications thing.

Practice in being unperturbed by whatever would be particularly valuable aside from that, I think. Hazou has a big leg up in being outwardly unperturbed, so he just needs to focus on finding mental tricks that work for him in shrugging off stuff like seduction attempts and killing intent.

I wonder if there's some way he can offload that stuff onto us somehow.
 
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Omake: The Shattered Heart, ch. 2
The Shattered Heart, Ch. 2
Shuffle. Cut. Deal three from under the top. Perfect riffle, palm the bottom: as you move the deck to the left hand, air twirl palmed card with Ram handsign for show and misdirection: catch between right hand's index and middle fingers, flashing the nonexistent crowd: slap to table facedown, substituting one of the three previously-dealt cards as left hand does another perfect riffle. False cut, false shuffle, deal the preserved top card to replace the leftmost in the reading, what does that make? Well, according to the grooves in the backs, this is... The Magician, The Hermit, Justice. Eh. You can take the Magician, but the other two don't really suit you. Then again, Itsumi could've changed the deck on you again: she does that sometimes.

As the saying goes, "trust, but verify" -

Yep. Magician, Hermit, Justice. What a crappy fortune. So, according to, uh, bullshit superstitions or whatever, your past was to be the power of creation, your present is to be stuck in this room for fucking ever, and your future is that you're gonna get what you deserve. Kami, you hate this deck sometimes.

Kindling a chakra-spark between your fingers, you roll over in bed and start trying to get it to change colors like you did last week. Your mother doesn't approve of you "wasting chakra playing around with trifles", but you know she's just worried for you: she's a tech hacker too after all. And what the hell else is there to do around here on a regular day? All the patterns are so damn dull. All starched and pruned and massaged to within an inch of their lives. It's enough to make you wanna pace, wanna bite your fingernails, wanna rebraid every single inch of your lightning-white ponytail. You check the weights you've got braided into it: yep, still secure, and the special explosive tag for assholes who think they can grab your hair like some kind of kindergarten kid is right where it belongs.

Welp. This is sure boring. You keep rolling, right out of your bunk bed: a casual Rat handsign and a flicker of chakra lands your feet firmly on the floor, despite the fact your head definitely left the bed first.

Wandering over to your dishful of sinks, er, sinkful of dishes, you give it the stink-eye for a few seconds: then you turn away, and slip out the door and down the hallway. Best not to forget to put the deck back like you did that one time back in ninja school: you'd never hear the end of it.

You take the long way round, just for a change, not that that it's much less boring: yep, the sun is still hot, Sand is still sandy, and the Kakero compound is still about as dull as dust. Very pretty, you have to admit, and a pretty good try at decent variety, but come on. There aren't even any pachinko machines!

- there is, however, a red-haired ninja with a drawn kunai trying to conceal himself behind one of the ornamental cacti. It's very deliberately designed to be useless as cover, but apparently he did not get the memo. You sigh.

"Kai!"

The early morning heat-haze abruptly dissipates: half-turning, you lazily put two spark-charged fingers to Hiro's throat as he comes in from behind with a kunai.

"Fuck, Fuutsu." He drops the kunai. "What gave me away?"

You roll your eyes. "Give me some credit. Even you aren't dumb enough to try to hide behind a cactus half your size."

"Fair," he says. "But honestly, how else was I going to bring any excitement into your life?"

You hum a little under your breath, your fingers sliding down to poke him in the chest. The teasing smile mom coached you on slips into your face - then spreads into an outright grin. "Well, you could've stalked me, slipped into my room while I was away, set up an ambush..."

Hiro just stares at you like you've grown an extra head. "In the middle of the compound? In your room?"

You click your tongue. "Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say. See you around, hey?"

"Wait, Fuu -"

But you're already gone.
 
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Yep. Magician, Hermit, Justice. What a crappy fortune. So, according to, uh, bullshit superstitions or whatever, your past was to be the power of creation, your present is to be stuck in this room for fucking ever, and your future is that you're gonna get what you deserve. Kami, you hate this deck sometimes.
You click your tongue. "Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say. See you around, hey?"

"Wait, Fuu -"

But you're already gone.
Probably obvious, but I am guessing the Hermit means a different kind of isolation.
 
All tarot card drawings in these omake are 100% randomly determined. Any meaning you draw from them was put there by you, not me.
So there are theoretically... 9240 versions of the opening possible? Or 456456, if you count Lesser Arcana in this deck.
I am just curious if there were/could have been outcomes you discarded, or if you literally took the first outcome you came across, and rolled with it.
 
I like Ami.

I mean, she's as dangerous as a swarm of rabid cabbage. Getting deeper involved with her right now would be one of the biggest mistakes we could make.

But I like her.

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Also I really wish I could sit down and have a talk with Hazou, raptor to pointy meat.

@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail

[X] Player Question: How can we get Hazou to start holding his own conversations like this?

It's really unclear what we, as players, can do to get to the point where Hazou isn't constantly on the back foot in this sort of conversation.

This even happens with Keiko, Noburi, Downfall, and others in our peer group. We end up passively listening to the other party, making a few flummoxed noises until the interaction ends, with our responses only arriving in later plans.

Presumably part of getting Hazou to the point where he isn't just a confused wallflower is XP in socials. But you all have said that plans and characterization also feed into how proactive/centered Hazou can be.

Issue is that these conversations are basically impossible to predict. There are so many things that could happen we just can't make plans which cover enough of the possibilities to be useful. We just don't have the time to write a thesis twice a week, and it's gets even worse with the word limits.

So characterization seems to change through practice and success. The more Hazou successfully deals with some situation in a plan, the better he gets at dealing with similar situations when outside of player control. Which, given that plans can't really deal with this sort of high bandwidth communication, leaves with a bit of a chicken and egg problem.

Basically, I want Hazou to be less of a doormat and don't see what us players can do to shift Hazou in that direction.

We're making good progress with opsec, by writing better plans and making fewer mistakes. I just don't see how that same sort of thing is feasible if we want Hazou to grow a spine.

Edit: To be clear this interaction fits perfectly with who Hazou is right now. I just don't know where to push to make Hazou better at this.

I think the way you change this is by doing exactly what we've done for this update.

As @Evenstar insightfully observes, a lot of what Ami did this update can be interpreted as a warning. "Look at all the ways I could compromise you, if I truly wanted to. You should be a lot more careful who you meet with, at your level." - which is a kindness of sorts. Joke's on her though, because part of the reason we sent Hazou in there was to gain experience dealing with exactly this kind of situation, and Ami was the perfect target - scary and independent enough that real stakes and danger were involved, but whom our OOC knowledge pegged as unlikely to actually hurt Hazou. And in that sense, she acted absolutely within expectations, and helped us out a lot.

So, what we do now is have Hazou analyze the meeting extensively, reach some useful conclusions, and internalize the whole experience. Personally, I'd like to go meet Hinata next, for this reason, strike the iron while it's hot.

In terms of more specific feedback, Hazou has a problem keeping himself composed in unexpected situations, a flaw that makes sense given that he's used to planning everything in advance. But this update, he focused on this and honestly, did a very good job.
 
So just a knee-jerk thought after reading the chapter:

Ami seems to be exactly the type of person I don't want Hazou to become. I don't mean to say they shouldn't meet again or that they wouldn't get along but to me, Ami looked less like a person and more like an utilitarian automaton, cycling through various masks to test whatever fits the situation the best. She seems kind of broken as a human being, to be honest.

I don't know, maybe the fact that we didn't see all of her and only what she wanted us to see means there is still something more human hidden behind that she only shows to people like Keiko. But with Hazou being on the fast track of viewing other people and himself as tools and even considering to do the same for socials once he has them, he might be on his way to Ami-ness - which may or may not be a good thing for some of you.

It's still a far way off and we appear to have more familial bonds instead of just "people that owe favors" so maybe we'll do a better job out of it but considering what we did already, I can't be too sure.
 
So just a knee-jerk thought after reading the chapter:

Ami seems to be exactly the type of person I don't want Hazou to become. I don't mean to say they shouldn't meet again or that they wouldn't get along but to me, Ami looked less like a person and more like an utilitarian automaton, cycling through various masks to test whatever fits the situation the best. She seems kind of broken as a human being, to be honest.

I don't know, maybe the fact that we didn't see all of her and only what she wanted us to see means there is still something more human hidden behind that she only shows to people like Keiko. But with Hazou being on the fast track of viewing other people and himself as tools and even considering to do the same for socials once he has them, he might be on his way to Ami-ness - which may or may not be a good thing for some of you.

It's still a far way off and we appear to have more familial bonds instead of just "people that owe favors" so maybe we'll do a better job out of it but considering what we did already, I can't be too sure.

Yeah, I don't really think our goal should be to emulate this person specifically. That said, theres some lessons to be learned here.

So ... induced vomiting, Jiraiya debrief and then quality time with Noburi?
 
I mean that in a way that's a.... visceral presentation of what it means. Or not really what it means- she didn't try that hard.

It's a reminder of what they can do to us.
Hana? Perfectly capable of breaking a person mentally(yes, Mari had problems already, but even so).
Ren is in the same league as Hana, if not higher.

Oh please. This is more like Hana versus Ren, rather than Hazō versus the Kurosawa sisters.

The idea is to see if it's possible to do any sort of reconciliation, because not all Kurosawa are like the elders.
 
Oh please. This is more like Hana versus Ren, rather than Hazō versus the Kurosawa sisters.

The idea is to see if it's possible to do any sort of reconciliation, because not all Kurosawa are like the elders.
If it's both at once? Sure. Jonin "vs." jonin, good idea (regardless of intent of the meeting).
Merely against 1v1 with Ren.
Ami seems to be exactly the type of person I don't want Hazou to become. I don't mean to say they shouldn't meet again or that they wouldn't get along but to me, Ami looked less like a person and more like an utilitarian automaton, cycling through various masks to test whatever fits the situation the best. She seems kind of broken as a human being, to be honest.
A counterpoint to your reaction:
She felt like someone with enough mental capacity and need for creativity to juggle those masks for fun (and utility).
When Hazou gets on her level, I bet she'll still keep switching masks, just... not bother spending time as a sadistic instructor, and more time joking around.
 
Yeah, I don't really think our goal should be to emulate this person specifically. That said, theres some lessons to be learned here.

So ... induced vomiting, Jiraiya debrief and then quality time with Noburi?
"Induced"? Clearly you haven't fully considered the aftermath of yesterday's events.

Other than that, the plan seems solid. After Jiraiya's done with you, spending time with the nearest medic-nin is going to sound like a great idea.

(Not that I'm implying anything about the contents of @eaglejarl's as-yet-unwritten update. Just speculating out loud.)
 
"Induced"? Clearly you haven't fully considered the aftermath of yesterday's events.
I don't suppose she picked a place whose food was going to give us some fantastic food poisoning to explicitly show off that she definitely could have poisoned us in addition to all of the other things :p
 
Omake: Goketsu Hazou, Master Diplomat and Negotiator
Or, she can give Hazou a decade and a half of missed birthday presents

You know, we should actually do this. It's not like we haven't poked at a Kage before to see how they'd react for fun so this shouldn't even have any negative repercussion.


Dearest Aunt,

how are you? I hope you are well and that sitting on your comfortable chair while you watch children fight to the death in the arena for your amusement has not completely exhausted you.

As for me? I am fine. Or at least I thought I was.

There appears to be this huge hole in my soul that needs filling and I think I narrowed the causes down to either still being concussed from my previous match, the trauma of you letting my mother get exiled so I had to live in poverty and was looked upon with disdain my whole life, or because I realized that you never actually gave me a single birthday present in my life.

The first two will heal in due time and when I beg Jiraiya for more money to spend on frivolous things to let me forget the misery that is my life, respectively. The lack of birthday presents is something I cannot fix by myself, however.

I hereby formally request that the Office of Mizukage pay restitutions for the damages caused upon my person and that all my missing birthday presents be delivered before I head back to Leaf. Note that getting invaded by a powerful mercenary group or Mist "spontaneously" declaring war on Leaf to try to weasel out of this responsibility are not considered valid reasons to skimp out on me.

(You dying, on the other hand, would be, so please try not to. Do it for me if not for yourself.)

Yours truly,

Goketsu "Punches Pangolins Into Another Dimension" Hazou

PS: I am quite fond of Kurosawa Style Cookies if you need help with coming up with one of the presents.
But you know what else I am fond of? Watching Kurosawa Shin suffer. Now I am
not saying you should exile him and all his currently living close relatives for daring to oppose me but it certainly wouldn't hurt to endear you to me. I mean, isn't exiling people at this point like a clan tradition anyway?
Plus, those people always seem to get stronger from being exiled, don't they? You should consider yourself quite lucky that I am not counting this idea as a birthday gift from me to you instead.

PPS: I also told people that Kurosawa can tank explosives to their face and be fine. You are welcome and do let me know if you need my services again to make our bloodline look even better.

PPPS: Mari-sensei managed to wrap Jiraiya around her finger in only three meetings and she isn't even a Kurosawa. Are you even trying?

PPPPS: Rumor has it that you don't plan to have children. Have you considered adoption? Because I know this very sweet and capable girl from Leaf that would make for a good heir. Very youthful and very proficient in taijutsu. Also really easy to get along with. And now - you didn't hear this from me or anything - but if there, hypothetically, were to be a marriage to happen between the Hokage's adopted son and the Mizukage's adopted daughter to cement the alliance, wouldn't that be really convenient?
(The adopted son would be me and not Noburi, by the way. I feel silly having to point this out but I know from experience that if there are details concerning my love life that are left even remotely ambigous, strange - and yes, arguably funny - things happen to me and the people around me.)

PPPPPS: If you ever find yourself swamped by paper work, hit me up and I can teach you one of the Secret Forbidden Leaf techniques that lets you cl. So,
apparently, I am not to give out Secret Forbidden Leaf techniques to random people anymore. Sorry, but Jiraiya was quite insistent.
(By the way, you notice how - even when I messed up - Jiraiya's first thought wasn't to exile me? Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here.)

PPPPPPS: I apologize for the many post-scriptums. I am just not used to writing letters and I feel you might be seeing me at my worst. I am much better at writing and compiling lists, I swear!

PPPPPPPS: My mother isn't aware I sent you this letter. I wanted to make this a surprise for her so I hope you play along. Can you imagine her face when your ANBU come knocking at her door demanding to see her son so he can 'receive what he is due'? It'll be glorious.
(If you can, please send the ANBU with the spiderbear mask; I am particularly fond of that animal.)

PPPPPPPS: Attached to this scroll is a bottle of Leaf's best painkillers. I had Jiraiya read through my letter to catch typos - and for no other reason! - and he suggested that I do so because 'even his worst enemies don't deserve so much unmitigated exposure' from me. I am not quite sure what he is referring to but I suppose you don't get to be Kage by being stupid or just because you happened to be in the right place, at the right time when the previous one died.

PPPPPPPPS: I met Ami yesterday. Now, I dislike gossiping as much as the next guy, but I don't think she is quite right in the head. Yes, I understand that my standards are pretty high considering that I am the picture perfect model of mental health and that everyone pales in comparison, but there was something seriously off with her. But who can blame her? I'd go crazy as well if I had a voice in my head telling me what to do all the time. Everyone knows you need
at least a couple dozen of voices to be considered a well adjusted individual.
Anyway, I seem to have gotten off track. What I meant to say: you should look into it before something bad happens. Like you dying before I get my presents, for example.
 
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