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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Cariyaga said:
Source? And if so, not appreciably. Fire-Log Macerator dosn't do those things either to my knowledge.

Even setting aside the Everyone-Attacks-Leaf-Bad-End-level-OPSEC, we've broken OPSEC on enough of Kagome's secrets that I'm uncomfortable straying so close to stupid boxes' functionality.
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TECHINT.

Explosive tags are the first seals anybody makes? I don't have a reference offhand, but it certainly doesn't seem as if storage seals are nearly as common.

The actual mechanism here of paired explosive with storage is pretty different from Kagome's approach.



Tua said:
I like it but can we also add our own version of Blood Clones which are basically just Earth Clones with a hilariously bad red paint job?
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"Da red ones go fasta'!" ​



TaliesinSkye said:
It occurs to me that she would have one way to survive.

"So Hazou, how long would this firestorm last?" Keiko asked.

"About thirty seconds, why?" Hazou replied, looking suspiciously at Keiko.

"I see. Please proceed," Keiko said.

"...are you sure?" Hazou asked, his tone incredulous.

Keiko only gave him an impatient glare. "Now, Hazou."

"Uh, alright." Hazou smoothly activated and threw the tags. Keiko quirked her lips slightly, and then the air twisted and she was gone as she reverse summoned herself, doubtlessly already counting the seconds on the other side.

"Oh. Shit," Hazou said, beating himself up for missing that before hastily activating Hiding Like a Mole Technique to get out of the impending blast himself. It wasn't a complete loss, he supposed as he dived into the dirt. The massive explosion should make for a spectacular show. He just hoped he wouldn't get kidnapped and tortured for the secret of how he did it.
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Clever, but I'd expect that to be a ringout, and she'd have to summon somebody before they could reverse-summon her.

Look, let's just solve a lot of complaints at once. Instead of using oil, we use tar. Thick sticky tar full of delicious aromatic compounds to burn for hours. Splatter it across the arena and no place is safe to stand. Anyone wallwalking gets cooked by convection and choked by smoke and we can make sure to get some on the walls just in case. Same final effect, but the flames are safely confined to the surfaces instead of a giant spreading fireball. Anyone hit by the tar will end up with some truly horrific scars, but will otherwise recover 100% combat effectiveness and thus it won't qualify as maiming.
 
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Lailoken said:
Clever, but I'd expect that to be a ringout, and she'd have to summon somebody before they could reverse-summon her.

Look, let's just solve a lot of complaints at once. Instead of using oil, we use tar. Thick sticky tar full of delicious aromatic compounds to burn for hours. Splatter it across the arena and no place is safe to stand. Anyone wallwalking gets cooked by convection and choked by smoke and we can make sure to get some on the walls just in case. Same final effect, but the flames are safely confined to the surfaces instead of a giant spreading fireball. Anyone hit by the tar will end up with some truly horrific scars, but will otherwise recover 100% combat effectiveness and thus it won't qualify as maiming.
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The issue is not that the method is overly lethal or that it isn't reproducible by anyone else. The issue is that anyone that understands storage seals (read: everyone that matters in the EN) that's watching will be able to infer that "lots of storage seals + tar/oil + fire = bad time", and approximately 2 weeks later, every nation's jounin will be equipped with 8-zone-wide superweapons (to a capacity depending on said nation's number of sealmasters capable of writing storage scrolls). Seeing as jounin don't currently carry 8-zone superweapons, this will probably be a dramatic shift in warfare, and is definitely not something to pull out on a whim at the ninja olympics.
 
Lailoken said:
Look, let's just solve a lot of complaints at once. Instead of using oil, we use tar. Thick sticky tar full of delicious aromatic compounds to burn for hours. Splatter it across the arena and no place is safe to stand. Anyone wallwalking gets cooked by convection and choked by smoke and we can make sure to get some on the walls just in case. Same final effect, but the flames are safely confined to the surfaces instead of a giant spreading fireball. Anyone hit by the tar will end up with some truly horrific scars, but will otherwise recover 100% combat effectiveness and thus it won't qualify as maiming.
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There's got to be some way to win this without sending our opponents to the burn ward and prompting other people to try to figure out how we did it.
 
On the other hand, I will vote for plans that include running this idea past Jiraiya (under STRICTEST opsec) at the earliest convenience, "explosives big enough to change warfare" or not.
 
Paperclipped said:
The issue is not that the method is overly lethal or that it isn't reproducible by anyone else. The issue is that anyone that understands storage seals (read: everyone that matters in the EN) that's watching will be able to infer that "lots of storage seals + tar/oil + fire = bad time", and approximately 2 weeks later, every nation's jounin will be equipped with 8-zone-wide superweapons (to a capacity depending on said nation's number of sealmasters capable of writing storage scrolls). Seeing as jounin don't currently carry 8-zone superweapons, this will probably be a dramatic shift in warfare, and is definitely not something to pull out on a whim at the ninja olympics.
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I still can't believe that nobody has thought of this before. It seems more likely that anybody powerful enough to justify that sort of investment already has similar or greater capabilities.

-and, again, not superweapon. It's area-denial, not an insta-kill. It's effective here because it's in a confined area where the first person to leave loses. In actual combat ninja can coordinate, move, retreat, and re-engage.



Paperclipped said:
On the other hand, I will vote for plans that include running this idea past Jiraiya (under STRICTEST opsec) at the earliest convenience, "explosives big enough to change warfare" or not.
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Fair enough. Let Jiraiya settle it.
 
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Lailoken said:
I still can't believe that nobody has thought of this before. It seems more likely that anybody powerful enough to justify that sort of investment already has similar or greater capabilities.

-and, again, not superweapon. It's not an insta-kill It's effective here because it's in a confined area where the first person to leave loses. In actual combat ninja can coordinate, move, retreat, and re-engage.
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On the one hand, there are probably grease fires in the EN and someone criminally minded might have looked at them. On the other hand, the QMs don't have the spoons of a small country with which to optimize for damage dealing weapons, and this one is particularly mass-producible with a seal sweatshop or two.

Well, you've done a pretty good job of convincing me that it's very dangerous for anyone close to the deployment, to the point that much normal ninja movement won't be able to dodge it. Do you have the calcs on how it plays out?
 
Paperclipped said:
On the one hand, there are probably grease fires in the EN and someone criminally minded might have looked at them. On the other hand, the QMs don't have the spoons of a small country with which to optimize for damage dealing weapons, and this one is particularly mass-producible with a seal sweatshop or two.

Well, you've done a pretty good job of convincing me that it's very dangerous for anyone close to the deployment, to the point that much normal ninja movement won't be able to dodge it. Do you have the calcs on how it plays out?
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I don't really have the necessary reference constants to figure out how it translates to game damage, but ninja are pretty tough and very fast. They probably take a couple shifts and then get out to drop and roll. If we really wanted to we could even substitute alcohol and water it down until we got a desired shifts per turn. I was thinking of Hazou setting the arena on fire and calmly walking through it in PEA to emerge unscathed and buck naked during his battle with Hinata.

"I figured you wouldn't mind." *wink*​
 
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Lailoken said:
I don't really have the necessary reference constants to figure out how it translates to game damage, but ninja are pretty tough and very fast. They probably take a couple shifts and then get out to drop and roll. If we really wanted to we could even substitute alcohol and water it down until we got a desired shifts per turn. I was thinking of Hazou setting the arena on fire and calmly walking through it in PEA to emerge unscathed and buck naked during his battle with Hinata.

"I figured you wouldn't mind." *wink*​
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Ninja are not "pretty tough". They are glass cannons, with the except of Hazō and co, who will be the tankiest ninja around.
 
OliWhail said:
Consider that Substitution is ultra-high-speed movement.
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Oh, good point. Ouch. Well, unless we had some way of moving the water out of the way, I suppose.

Kiba said:
Ninja are not "pretty tough". They are glass cannons, with the except of Hazō and co, who will be the tankiest ninja around.
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I get the impression that ninja are tougher and heal faster than humans, probably from subtle applications of chakra boosting, but that the added toughness doesn't mean a lot in comparison to the horrible damage ninja can dish out.
 
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Velorien said:
Tasked voting?
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Basically, you can apply a [TASK] tag to votes & then Tally by Task with the built-in tally program & it'll count votes within a given task against only other votes within that task, then tell you what the winning vote for each task was (as well as the rest of the results). So for example:

[X][TASK1] A vote
[X][TASK2] Another vote
[X] A third vote (proving problem is independent of tasked voting)

EDIT: okay, I can't make literally any vote I put in this post to actually appear in the tally, so my demonstration has been somewhat hamstrung. Anyone know why this is happening/want to try & do the demonstration for me in case it's an individual issue?
 
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Kiba said:
Ninja are not "pretty tough". They are glass cannons, with the except of Hazō and co, who will be the tankiest ninja around.
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Glass cannons in comparison to the firepower they can throw around, not in comparison to civilians, which goes to my point about this relatively mundane source of damage not being world-breaking.
 
Wiadi said:
Basically, you can apply a [TASK] tag to votes & then Tally by Task with the built-in tally program & it'll count votes within a given task against only other votes within that task, then tell you what the winning vote for each task was (as well as the rest of the results). So for example:

[X][TASK1] A vote
[X][TASK2] Another vote
[X] A third vote (proving problem is independent of tasked voting)

EDIT: okay, I can't make literally any vote I put in this post to actually appear in the tally, so my demonstration has been somewhat hamstrung. Anyone know why this is happening/want to try & do the demonstration for me in case it's an individual issue?
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Oh, I think we've used that already for voting on training separately from plans. Could be useful for other things too though, like what seals to research or what have you.
 
Though to continue on this thread's incredible fascination with WMDs and war crimes, sulfur was discovered a looooooooong time ago, and the process for extracting sulfuric acid from metal sulfates was well known by the middle ages.

So, we just need to find big deposits of glassy-looking minerals (oil of vitriol was the historic name for sulfuric acid, and was named such after vitre, or glass, for the glassy look of its salts), crush them up, bake them, and bubble the fumes through water before concentrating. Then we (CAREFULLY) seal it into glass bottles and load them into Youthenizers.
 
eaglejarl said:
[x] [test 1] a test

[X] [test 2] another test
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Looks like those aren't showing up either, so it's not just my votes getting eaten.

EDIT: See below.
Adhoc vote count started by Paperclipped on Jan 9, 2019 at 6:28 PM, finished with 126462 posts and 22 votes.
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Personally, I'd rather create an oil spill in the shape of the Goketsu clan symbol at the end of a fight.
 
You know @Lailoken, it's fine to like explosions and want to squish all the stinkers. Nobody will judge you for these kinds of proclivities in this thread. You can even officially join @Radvic in the pro-WMD faction. You don't need to justify yourself or argue that producing an uncontrollable firestorm in a sports stadium is a good idea from an outcome-based perspective. It's fine. Not all the things I want to do have positive outcomes either, strictly speaking.

Or alternatively, if you really think the firestorm is the way to go, write a plan and address concerns therein.

OliWhail said:
Consider that Substitution is ultra-high-speed movement.
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That's not a "no".
 
Velorien said:
Edit: write and vote in.
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[X] My Little Technically Older Sister Can't Be This Sweet
Word count: 213
  • Pre-Fight Speech: Remind Keiko of the non-lethal rules of the tournament and mention how it would be nice to be able to walk back to Leaf under our own power
  • Throw honey at Keiko
    • Only the good stuff from Bear will do
    • Follow up by throwing black kitten plushies at her until there are at least a dozen of them sticking to her
      • This is done to impede her mobility and for no other reason
  • Throw ants at the Pangolins to distract them
    • Do not mess this up and get the targets for the ants and plushies mixed up
      • Otherwise there might be Complications
  • Offer to remove the honey via Creative Applications of Fire if Keiko requests help in that matter
    • Because we are a family and family helps each other
    • Things that can be interpreted as requesting help: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH, GET IT OFF!" or "Hazou."
    • Things that should not interpreted as requesting help: "I will show you a 'great time' once I am clear of this honey." or "Once I get this honey off, I will shove a fistful of explosives down your mouth!" or "Hazou."
  • Post-Fight: Scan the audience for Ami and give her a thumbs-up to indicate that we will take great care of her sister and that there is nothing to worry about
    • If Hazou can reach her from the arena, throw honey at Ami as well
 
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[X] My Little Technically Older Sister Can't Be This Sweet

It's nice to be able to vote for things like this in the safety of the Void Between Updates. Nothing could go wrong, nothing will be counted. It's so... freeing.
 
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[X] My Little Technically Older Sister Can't Be This Sweet

Speaking of bonus xp, were we promised bonus xp for talking to Ami, or am I thinking of something else?
 
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