Emstar
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I don't really think we need to do this to win any particular match.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I'm not seeing how this factors into OPSEC. TECHINT, perhaps, but I think that the crowd observing, "suddenly, FIRE EVERYWHERE!" is a worthwhile trade off for winning and scaring the hell out of any future opponents.
Also, does not need to threaten the audience to work. There are advantages to being forced to fight in a pit.
Keiko, Hinata, possibly Shika and Choji.
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Cariyaga
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Do I really have to explain that something we have to explain as a storage seal else getting DQed for that reason producing an eight-zone-wide firestorm is not something that we can allow to get out?
Emstar
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I've given up on trying to do anything that might potentially be construed as mean or hostile to Keiko, since people probably won't vote for it.
Hinata I don't think we need to do that specifically.
Idea: when prompted to enter the arena, start as far away from Kei as possible and refuse to get out of a small corner zone. Kei decides we somehow fucked with the arena and that zone is the only safe place to stand. Roll Deceit if necessary.
Cariyaga
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Like... eight-zone-wide explosive, when the alternative is one zone wide is the very definition of war-changing explosives, that Jiraiya told us to erase from our minds, and you are proposing to use them on an international stage!
Emstar
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That could be viable.
Another thing would be to macerator/storage-seal-punch Keiko with a mixture of animal blood and oil. This will hopefully prevent her from summoning anything until she cleans herself off.
I honestly can't imagine that this isn't something somebody has thought of before. "Put lots of burning stuff in one place and set an explosive tag under it" and "lots of burning stuff can fit into storage scrolls" are not genius-level insights. More likely, seals are just too precious to be generally used in this manner. Explosive tags are rare equipment, and storage seals seem to be at least an order of magnitude more expensive. Somebody literally burning ten of them on a whim isn't the sort of thing which can be scaled up to common practice. The fact that it's especially effective due to this unique terrain is also a factor.
...are we going to just surrender? I mean, I can get not taking advantage of her psychological issues, but this is a battle and we are probably going to have to punch her or something.
Keiko summons scout or tank pangolin and tells them to clear the path.
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I swear we've had this argument before, around the first exam event maybe? Someone wanted to use youthenizers for zoning, and it was judged as too risky because of their high lethality and range. And that was in a designated combat zone without tons of spectators.
The best case outcome for this silliness is that the opponent somehow evades it and we get DQd for using an obviously lethal attack. The worst is that we misjudge the area of effect, the opponent dies, and so do a significant amount of spectators.
And even if we could get away with it, we'd be forced to admit by the judges that it was all storage seals. Which runs very close to breaking opsec on Macerators, and is probably too high a price for winning even if everything else goes perfectly.
The best case outcome for this silliness is that the opponent somehow evades it and we get DQd for using an obviously lethal attack. The worst is that we misjudge the area of effect, the opponent dies, and so do a significant amount of spectators.
And even if we could get away with it, we'd be forced to admit by the judges that it was all storage seals. Which runs very close to breaking opsec on Macerators, and is probably too high a price for winning even if everything else goes perfectly.
Cariyaga
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Insightful'd by eaglejarl
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What would the world look like if it had been thought up before?
Certainly not like one where explosive seals were separate of storage seals.
Emstar
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I hope not.
I draw the line at giving her serious burns or something, but "Cover in a honey/blood mixture that cannot be scraped off easily." is fine in my book.
Youthenizers generate an actual explosion. As in detonation, rather than deflagration. They kill instantaneously. This is just throwing around a lot of burning liquid. Even if they get hit a ninja should be able to exit the arena before it kills them.
-and explosive tags are also potentially lethal, yet explicitly allowed.
Storage seals are harder to make than explosive seals, and this is not a replacement for an actual detonation and shock wave in the way that a fire-log misterator is.
So we tell her in advance, possibly in the pre-fight speech, exactly what we are going to do, and when she can't figure out a counter she forfeits.
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Emstar
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I'm totally okay with trying to bluff her with it beforehand, it would be a good cover for (something clever we actually do) or (punching her in the face) so I'm down.
Maybe not in the pre-battle speech. We want to look like the good guy!
I mean, it's not a bluff. It's just saying, "Hey, within a second of the battle beginning the entire pit is going to be completely filled with flames and smoke. If you jump in the water I'll put explosive tags in with you and you won't be able to dodge their enhanced effect. I'm warning you now because I'd rather you forfeited than got hurt, but it's up to you. At least be prepared to substitute out of the arena at a moment's notice if you decide to go ahead with the fight."
Emstar
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Cariyaga
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Source? And if so, not appreciably. Fire-Log Macerator dosn't do those things either to my knowledge.
Even setting aside the Everyone-Attacks-Leaf-Bad-End-level-OPSEC, we've broken OPSEC on enough of Kagome's secrets that I'm uncomfortable straying so close to stupid boxes' functionality.
TaliesinSkye
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Oh, didn't realize they had to be so big. Thanks!
Do we know if they're soundproof? If they don't flex at all like physical objects do then they would have to be, but maybe they flex and just don't break, dunno. Could be useful for soundproofing rooms and maybe other applications if they are soundproof.
Noumero
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Winning plan even had us meet with the merchants right beforehand... It's a tragically missed opportunity. Oh well, I suppose one of {Keiko, Hazou} will still get to give at least one more speech this tournament. We can still do it!
On the other hand, do we really wish to set the Ubiquitous Advertisement memagent loose on the Elemental Nations? ...We do, don't we.
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What businesses do the Hyuuga run? We should advertise their competition. Bonus points if we do it before the match with Hinata.
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I really like the idea of loudly yelling "Blood Element: Crimson Spray!" or something like that before macerating her with animal (or subtly acquired human) blood, and I wonder how viewers would interpret that.
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I like it but can we also add our own version of Blood Clones which are basically just Earth Clones with a hilariously bad red paint job?
Emstar
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Do you think after our performance we can convince the other Leaf-nin to allow us to be the hype man?
We can charge a fee for that as well, as well as the ad space.
My strategy against Shikamaru has us holing up and creating a fuckton of Earth Clones for the first few rounds, so... lets do it then?
The spray can just be red paint. His dad is rich, I'm sure he can buy more clothes.
TaliesinSkye
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It occurs to me that she would have one way to survive.
"So Hazou, how long would this firestorm last?" Keiko asked.
"About thirty seconds, why?" Hazou replied, looking suspiciously at Keiko.
"I see. Please proceed," Keiko said.
"...are you sure?" Hazou asked, his tone incredulous.
Keiko only gave him an impatient glare. "Now, Hazou."
"Uh, alright." Hazou smoothly activated and threw the tags. Keiko quirked her lips slightly, and then the air twisted and she was gone as she reverse summoned herself, doubtlessly already counting the seconds on the other side.
"Oh. Shit," Hazou said, beating himself up for missing that before hastily activating Hiding Like a Mole Technique to get out of the impending blast himself. It wasn't a complete loss, he supposed as he dived into the dirt. The massive explosion should make for a spectacular show. He just hoped he wouldn't get kidnapped and tortured for the secret of how he did it.
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...Wouldn't Keiko get DQ'd since she left the arena?
TaliesinSkye
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Not sure if temporarily shifting dimensions counts or not, since she'd come right back to the same spot. You're allowed to burrow under the arena, and jump into the air over it, just not cross over the edge.