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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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ANd here we have confirmation that nothing like that is going to happen because there's no way the QMs would help us out like this otherwise :p
 
"Disease is caused by germs. These are tiny living things. Logically, apply explosives to fix it."


I don't know why everyone else's is so long...?
 
eaglejarl said:
As to your metagaming argument: You are welcome to go back to writing 2,000 word plans, but they will get you (N - 16 XP) because we aren't going going to shut down the word limit rules without a good reason.
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I wouldn't do any of those things because I would stop participating in the voting since I do not want to go back to 1000+ word plans because reading them (and re-reading them on every tiny change) would not be enjoyable. Don't take this as any form of threat because it genuinely isn't meant to be, but comparing to how it was before, it is much easier now to comment or vote on plans because of their conciseness.

I would also not want the thread to go back to being super cautious so they can remain under the word limit because not doing so would earn us negative XP. I can't even imagine net XP loss updates being enforcable for a long time without thread participation dropping significantly because who would enjoy thinking up huge plans and then on top of it be rewarded with Hazou somehow losing XP? This probably wouldn't be fun to write for, either but you'd have to comment on that.

To be very clear, I like the way things work right now and would prefer there was no cause given for them to change.
This includes the thread's recent foray into taking more (well reasoned) risks but - hypothetically - if Ami decided to just derail our plan a few hundred words into the update so Hazou would not have any talking points prepared because the thread assumed we would get a chance to prepare for that in a future update, would likely be cause of people overcompensating the other way (either long plans or never taking risks).

Yes, I understand this is written as simulation. But at the same time it also a quest so there needs to be consideration given to that as well. Maybe by reshuffling the update order so Ami's talk is at the very end of the update or posting a shorter update or whatever else people smarter than me can come up with that satisfies both these criteria.
 
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Mostly I would be a bit put out by a forced meeting since we wouldn't have time to adequately prepare, and the rest of the stuff on the list is important.

Like, we still need to find something to approximate a youthsuit, and help Hana bake those cookies for us to take!
 
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OliWhail said:
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Disease is caused by living things so small that you cannot see them without a special inverted telescope that makes things look bigger. They get inside you and reproduce, causing damage as they multiply. There are two types. You can kill one type with very hot environments for over an hour, or by soaking in bleach, lye, or strong alcohol for at least 10 minutes, or with special very selective poisons. Identifying these poisons requires a lot of experimentation and will kill initial subjects; start on sick animals. Try extracting and purifying substances from bluish-green mold on fruit or bread, ideally taken and given heat-treated food in a flask that has been cleaned with one of the other methods and kept from open air and not touched so the tiny living things cannot get in. Germs spread through air, water

Living things come only from other living things. The other type is hard to kill but can be fought ahead of time by exposing healthy people to small amounts of the fluids of sick ones, so that healthy bodies can learn to recognize and fight that breed of second kind of disease while they are strong and can be watched and supported.


Comes in at 207 :D

Probably worth putting in some basic statistics as well, to make it possible to identify which remedies actually work.
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Nice! Note that I added a bit about allergic reactions.

As to your word count:

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Living things only come from living things. Disease is caused by germs, living things so small that you cannot see them without a microscope, an inverted telescope that makes things look bigger. Germs get inside you and reproduce, causing damage as they multiply. They spread through air, water, or touch. There are two types, bacteria and viruses.

Viruses are hard to kill.

Kill bacteria with: an hour in a hot oven; soaking in bleach, lye, or strong alcohol for at least 10 minutes; or with special poisons called antibiotics. Making antibiotics requires a lot of experimentation and will kill initial subjects; start on sick animals. Extract and purify substances from bluish-green mold on fruit or bread, given heat-treated food in sterile containers. Keeping a sterile thing enclosed and untouched keeps it sterile. A very few people will have annoying or potentially fatal allergies to antibiotics.

Help healthy people not get sick by exposing them to small amounts of the fluids from sick animals or people (especially cow pox). This is like drinkers developing tolerance for alcohol, but only needs to be done once.


183 words.
 
AMI: Well, what would you like to talk about?

HAZOU: What can you tell me about the Minori Conspiracy?

AMI: How did you find out about us? So that I can fix that oversight, obviously.

HAZOU: Too many Minori. Minori's? Minorin? Anyway... Well damn. Change of tact then:what can you tell me about the Watchers?

AMI: I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of said organization, but please keep your sealing failures to a minimum. Also, quit that "seal printing press" idea of yours, do you want to kill us all?

HAZOU: Wow, thats awkward heheh... so do you have any other hobbies? Are you also in the super genius cognitive bloodline conspiracy I haven't been invited to yet?

AMI: Have you been stalking me or something? Even for a ninja that's kind of creepy...

HAZOU: No, I swear I haven't, it's just, you're really interesting and... that Ryugamine guy talked to you a lot when you were a kid, right? How about we talk about philosophy-

AMI: Sorry, this is just too weird for me, kid.

HAZOU: I am not creepy...
 
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eaglejarl said:
EDIT: Making penicillin is seriously hard, especially if you don't have access to chemical supply companies.
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Yeah, a practical method of making penicillin would actually be a major boon to the Elemental Nations, to the point that I'd almost advise dropping everything and steering Hazou and Noburi to figure it out somehow. As far as I'm aware, though, this is really difficult to do, as you say. It took a couple decades in the early 20th century to develop efficient processes for this in the real world.
 
Materials engineering seems like one of the easiest fields to 'cheat' in with ninja magic, via Force Barriers.

Are there any other fields that seem to have especially low hanging fruit in-story from our perspective that we could steer Hazou to solutions for?
 
eaglejarl said:
Nice! Note that I added a bit about allergic reactions.

As to your word count:

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Living things only come from living things. Disease is caused by germs, living things so small that you cannot see them without a microscope, an inverted telescope that makes things look bigger. Germs get inside you and reproduce, causing damage as they multiply. They spread through air, water, or touch. There are two types, bacteria and viruses.

Viruses are hard to kill.

Kill bacteria with: an hour in a hot oven; soaking in bleach, lye, or strong alcohol for at least 10 minutes; or with special poisons called antibiotics. Making antibiotics requires a lot of experimentation and will kill initial subjects; start on sick animals. Extract and purify substances from bluish-green mold on fruit or bread, given heat-treated food in sterile containers. Keeping a sterile thing enclosed and untouched keeps it sterile. A very few people will have annoying or potentially fatal allergies to antibiotics.

Help healthy people not get sick by exposing them to small amounts of the fluids from sick animals or people (especially cow pox). This is like drinkers developing tolerance for alcohol, but only needs to be done once.


183 words.
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If anyone needs detailed instructions for how to economically mass produce penicillin, I had to look it up for a book I'm writing with uplift themes. Here's the paper:

Laboratory Purification of Penicillin by the Berger Method.
 
Cariyaga said:
Are there any other fields that seem to have especially low hanging fruit in-story from our perspective that we could steer Hazou to solutions for?
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I think you can build a few tiers of water filtration with minimal materials and a bit of elbow grease. Boil afterwards to kill all the tinier nasties and I think you have cleaner drinking water than they seem to have here.

Shamelessly mooching off of Fallout 3: A good investment would be some sort of "EN Survival Guide." type book. Something that has instructions on what to do with your average chakra beasts, what plants/fungus are and aren't safe to eat, a smattering of medical knowledge and first aid, how to filter water, set up basic defenses for a village, etc.

We can toss money at the Nara to get it printed en masse.
 
Cariyaga said:
Materials engineering seems like one of the easiest fields to 'cheat' in with ninja magic, via Force Barriers.

Are there any other fields that seem to have especially low hanging fruit in-story from our perspective that we could steer Hazou to solutions for?
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Things I came up with for that book, which involves a modern human who reads too much winding up in the body of a sprite in a fantasy world:
  • Concrete - Easy to make, especially if you have people who can magically produce fire, and makes all sorts of important public works projects far more practical.
  • Sanitation - Aqueducts, bath houses, sewage systems. Also widespread use of soap, especially by medical personnel.
  • Stirrups - Less important for ninja who can run as fast as a horse, but they make horse riding practical for people with minimal training, which is a big deal. Historically they opened up horse riding from being an aristocratic pursuit to something practical for anyone who could afford a horse. Among other things, the widened availability of fast couriers makes a big difference to a civilization.
  • Anesthetic ether - It's workable to make diethyl ether, the kind that makes a great general anesthetic for surgery, and without the careful dosing most modern anesthetics require to be safe. In the real world we only stopped using the stuff because it's inconveniently explosive and blew up hospitals now and then, but that's a problem that can be managed.
  • Standardized weights and measures - A key innovation for trade, engineering, and scientific progress. Easy enough to do if you have the influence necessary.
  • Banking - A massive economic accelerator, especially when paired with fiat paper currency. The best part is that once you have the nest egg to get it started it's very profitable.
  • Microscopes - It turns out basic microscope lenses are stupidly easy to make. You make a spherical blob of glass and then polish one side flat until you have a hemisphere. The method produces magnifications up to about 170x. They open up a world of scientific and medical advances.
What else?
 
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TaliesinSkye said:
Things I came up with for that book, which involves a modern human who reads too much winding up in the body of a sprite in a fantasy world:
  • Concrete - Easy to make, especially if you have people who can magically produce fire, and makes all sorts of important public works projects far more practical.
  • Sanitation - Aqueducts, bath houses, sewage systems. Also widespread use of soap, especially by medical personnel.
  • Stirrups - Less important for ninja who can run as fast as a horse, but they make horse riding practical for people with minimal training, which is a big deal. Historically they opened up horseriding from being an aristocratic pursuit to something practical for anyone who could afford a horse.
  • Anesthetic ether - It turns out it's not terribly difficult to make diethyl ether, the kind that makes a great general anesthetic for surgery, without the careful dosing most modern anesthetics require to be safe. In the real world we only stopped using the stuff because it's inconveniently explosive and blew up hospitals now and then, but that's a problem that can be managed.
  • Standardized weights and measures - A key innovation for trade, engineering, and scientific progress. Easy enough to do if you have the influence necessary.
  • Banking - A massive economic accelerator, especially when paired with fiat paper currency. The best part is that once you have the nest egg to get it started it's very profitable.
  • Microscopes - It turns out basic microscope lenses are stupidly easy to make. You make a spherical blob of glass and then polish one side flat until you have a hemisphere. They open up a world of scientific and medical advances.
What else?
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Small problem with horses. This is chakraland, so all wild animals are horrible murderbeasts until proven otherwise. Even the domesticated ones like dogs are hardcore enough that they can fight alongside ninja and clans specialise in them so much they form pseudo-symbiotic relationships.
 
Origami Clock said:
Small problem with horses. This is chakraland, so all wild animals are horrible murderbeasts until proven otherwise. Even the domesticated ones like dogs are hardcore enough that they can fight alongside ninja and clans specialise in them so much they form pseudo-symbiotic relationships.
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eaglejarl said:
Oh, and of course there's the wolves."

Inoue raised her eyebrows. "And what is their horrible power?" she asked.

The smith shrugged. "Nothing, they're just wolves. Not everything has horrible chakra powers, ninja-san."
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Origami Clock said:
Small problem with horses. This is chakraland, so all wild animals are horrible murderbeasts until proven otherwise. Even the domesticated ones like dogs are hardcore enough that they can fight alongside ninja and clans specialise in them so much they form pseudo-symbiotic relationships.
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What do people use as beasts of burden? Are there donkeys or oxen or something that aren't insane?
 
faflec said:
The caravan, when it finally came, was impressive. There were three wagons, pulled by things that might have been cows if they'd had the right number of legs and didn't have greyish-blue carapaces and permanent expressions of thoughtful ennui.
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Well that's...weird. What were they called?
 
It would really be a genre shift if Bear happened to be the only place on the continent that didn't have any of this weird flora and fauna, and that it was mostly just regular old forest populated by almost unkillable, A-rank deadly, ten ton chakra bears.
 
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