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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Also, @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail How frequently have incidents occurred with Hazou and Team Uplift as a whole that have damaged seals sufficiently to be unusable? Multiply that by, say, 5 to account for the less respect the other examinees will have for sealing and the combat conditions, and we might be able to get better than "pull a number out of thin air" for failure rate of seals during the exams.

e: Updated the QuINOA with my latest questions.

e2: Additionally, it's a safe assumption that anyone that loses a fight will be pretty much taken out of the survival portion of the exams due to the way wound penalties work.
 
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If it hasn't been suggested yet, how about adding a
Step 0: Dispel
to every plan.
Because it would be pretty ironic if the whole thing was actually a genjutsu and we didn't catch it after talking about how cool a Kobayashi Maru would be a few days ago.
Although I doubt it really is the case, it would at least fit the proctor's mild reaction(he should know us and that one of us is a sealmaster, right?).

Clarification: As in, the proctor placed a genjutsu on Hazou that makes him think the seal is dangerous(not the whole everything being a genjutsu).
 
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As far as getting the proctors to play along, note down the mask that they're wearing and ask for their name (not that they'd give it to you) as a way to get them to hold themselves personally accountable for the tragedy that will ensue.

Hm... what about using several misterators on a proctor? Would that count as assault? It might soak the bag through enough that they couldn't use the seals...

e: Or if Shino thinks his allies can bite through the bag without the proctors noticing, dumping them on the ground?

e2: Or, honestly, we could demonstrate to a proctor our ability to infuse explosive seals, then then tell him that we will provide him ten now, and 90 later if he's willing to get a Mist sealmaster other than their creator to look at the seals now.
 
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1234qwerty said:
I think he means 'activate' rather than 'infuse.' Hazou can infuse night lights just fine, but the pangolins could help with the chakra burden of activating 1000s of them. We'd first need to check if this were safe, and it's possible that Keiko might not be able to take seals imbued with so much chakra along/back with her. Not sure if we've ever attempted having her take one of Noburi's barrels full of chakra water with her.

Just to make sure, are night light seals that haven't been lit safe to destroy?
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No, you have never sent a barrel of chakra water to the Seventh Path.

Hazō sees no reason why destroying unactivated night lights would be more dangerous than destroying any other seal.

ThrawnCA said:
I think the question is, "Could there be safety measures in the seal that Hazou has overlooked?" And given its simplicity, I suspect that the answer is no.
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Ah, I see. If there are, he's not going to find them. He understands the seal as well as he's going to.

Kiba said:
How confident are we about our rock macerators actually inflicting only A or B rank wounds?
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Good question. Macerators aren't exactly Taijutsu; I'll talk with the others about this. Thanks for the catch.

Cariyaga said:
How long did it take Hazou to find a proctor?
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Ten to fifteen minutes seems fair.

Cariyaga said:
As far as getting the proctors to play along, note down the mask that they're wearing and ask for their name (not that they'd give it to you) as a way to get them to hold themselves personally accountable for the tragedy that will ensue.

Hm... what about using several misterators on a proctor? Would that count as assault? It might soak the bag through enough that they couldn't use the seals...

e: Or if Shino thinks his allies can bite through the bag without the proctors noticing, dumping them on the ground?
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The bag was made of heavy, waterproofed leather. Bringing hundreds of valuable seals critical to the success of an internationally important event into a swamp in anything less wouldn't make sense.
 
So, if the proctors spend ~5 minutes relocating as well every time someone takes tokens from them, then that means every proctor 'slot' (accounting for shifts) is capable of giving out ~4 sets of seals (at whatever number the kiddos take) per hour. As stated before, it's unlikely many will go after them at night, so that leaves ~28 hours, or 2,800 (4*28*25) sets of seals passed out over the course of the exam, to put my previous math in different terms.
 
Hm... this is a terrifying thought, but we could have Shino engineer a sealing failure: his bugs could get into the bag and chew partially through some of the seals. Then a sealing failure would occur on activation and the proctors couldn't ignore it.
 
@eaglejarl , from what I understand a Goo bomb becomes more powerful if infused by a more experienced Sealmaster, correct? Does Hazou know why this is and if, does he think that a more experienced Sealmaster who infuses the Night light seal would make it safer?
 
Cariyaga said:
Hm... this is a terrifying thought, but we could have Shino engineer a sealing failure: his bugs could get into the bag and chew partially through some of the seals. Then a sealing failure would occur on activation and the proctors couldn't ignore it.
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No.

Let's not have to explain this thought-process to the watchers, Jiraiya, or especially Kagome, when it inevitably goes horribly.
 
Well, what if we faked one in front of the proctors? Activate a party trick, drop it into water, and activate a goo bomb or something?

e: Wait, no, better option. Set a timer on an explosive seal, put it inside the thing, and drop it. Second later, it explodes, we can use that to convince the proctor in question.

Yeah, I'm liking this one a lot more.
 
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ContextBot said:
@eaglejarl , from what I understand a Goo bomb becomes more powerful if infused by a more experienced Sealmaster, correct? Does Hazou know why this is and if, does he think that a more experienced Sealmaster who infuses the Night light seal would make it safer?
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Goo Bomb is more powerful if infused by a better sealmaster, yes. Hazō doesn't know why. He doesn't think a better sealmaster would have any effect on the safety of Night Light, because Night Light is unsafe by design.
 
MadScientist said:
ANBU deception dice.
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I am fairly certain that you are wrong to believe Ren that these are all ANBU, and furthermore wrong to believe that all ANBU are specialized sufficiently in deception to beat Hazou's deception.
Kiba said:
I think the honest truth works better than crazy gimmicky gambits.
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. We've already tried the honest truth.
 
Kiba said:
With a size sample of one. A random ANBU proctor.
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Fine, then try to convince them and THEN pull the explosive seal gambit.

e:

Also, y'all keep saying ANBU. That's on Ren's word, someone who has plenty reason to lie to us about that.

Didn't eaglejarl make up a whole post a couple weeks ago about taking what characters say at face value???

e2: Actually, it'd work better if we did it in the other order: explosive seal gambit, ask for a new one, open it up and go "holy shit this is garbage"
 
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Cariyaga said:
I am fairly certain that you are wrong to believe Ren that these are all ANBU
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They aren't. Izumi, the proctor Hazo talked to in the chapter Mom tracked us down, was a Chunin.
Even without that evidence, Mist having 50+ ANBU level (which technically isn't a rank like jounin or genin but we just assume that ANBU=jounin at least) to throw around just for the exam alone strains belief.

So either we need to stop assuming ANBU=jounin+ or Mist is heavily exaggerating to appear stronger than it is.
 
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I am fairly certain that you are wrong to believe Ren that these are all ANBU, and furthermore wrong to believe that all ANBU are specialized sufficiently in deception to beat Hazou's deception.
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I do not believe that they are all ANBU. That would be insane. There are fifty of them. But! I do believe that some of them are ANBU, and that we have no reliable way to tell the difference, meaning that we should not attempt to trick or attack any of them. I also believe that ANBU will have a disproportionately large number of Deception specialists due to the nature of black ops.
 
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Tua said:
They aren't. Izumi, the proctor Hazo talked to in the chapter Mom tracked us down, was a Chunin.
Even without that evidence, Mist having 50+ ANBU level (which technically isn't a rank like jounin or genin but we just assume that ANBU=jounin at least) to throw around just for the exam alone strains belief.

So either we need to stop assuming ANBU=jounin+ or Mist is heavily exaggerating to appear stronger than it is.
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My opinion is that ANBU are not all jounin. Otherwise, the word 'special ops' is kinda meaningless. My guess is that ANBU are specially trained in one or two area.
 
MadScientist said:
I do not believe that they are all ANBU. That would be insane. There are fifty of them. But! I do believe that some of them are ANBU, and that we have no reliable way to tell the difference, meaning that we should not attempt to trick or attack any of them. I also believe that ANBU will have a disproportionately large number of Deception specialists due to the nature of black ops.
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Actually, we do. Noburi can detect chakra levels and we can estimate their skill level based on that.
 
MadScientist said:
The point I think they were making is that chakra pool doesn't correlate strongly enough with skill levels for this to be reliable.
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My point was that I don't believe that to be the case outside of outliers like sealmasters. Most ninja are extremely dependent on their chakra pools for effectiveness. The fact that Mari didn't point out that Joutarou's chakra pool might have been artificially small supports this.
 
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